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Liq
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well at least this week i don't need to score a deck.

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quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
well at least this week i don't need to score a deck.


what card did you use that wasn't allowed?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Jazaray:
As for wcfmo, if he casts the tidal warrior first and I edict it, he'll have the cursecatcher to counter my baloth. and then he casts the elephant and attacks me to death.

Cursecatcher only counters instants or sorceries. He can't counter your Baloth, only hope to lock you out with Tidal Warrior.

Myy:

Liq had a deck with Lightning Bolt, which was banned Round 34.

 
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## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 TOTAL
06 2 X 0 6 0 X 6 0 0 00 00 00 X 14

Guess people are finding their way around this dreaded deck. To be honest, I only copied and pasted it to get rid of it, because it annoyed the heck out of me.

Also, I think MAB goes DD to Battle of Twits. BoT does nothing but play his lands until MAB plays the slime. If MAB doesn't cast innocent blood, BoT plays journey and wins with the elite. If he does cast innocent blood, he's got 2/2's which neither one measures up to BoT's 3/4 Elite, and he cant chump with both because BoT plays journey to nowhere on one of them before he attacks. So MAB plays nothing and they DD, because BoT can't play the elite before MAB casts Innocent blood.


[Edited 1 times, lastly by DerFisch on September 02, 2010]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by yakusoku:
Cursecatcher only counters instants or sorceries. He can't counter your Baloth, only hope to lock you out with Tidal Warrior.



Oh, I guess reading is tech. Heh.

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I'm still working on this, MAB, I think I WW against you as I always play cursecatcher then tidal keeping your Hollow Trees as an Island swinging in w/ Rogue Elephant ftw.

1. Jazaray WD - Yaku is right Jaz 4

Hickory Woodlot
Peat Bog
Obstinate Baloth
Diabolic Edict

2. yakusoku --
Scrubland
Rishadan Port
Knight of Sursi
Contaminated Ground

3. Alexisonfyre WD - 4

Saprazzan Skerry
Coralhelm Commander
Phantasmal Terrain
Forget

On draw
Skerry, trop -> rogue elephant
Coralhelm, attack 3
Skerry pump coral we watch...(I think this is based on optimal playing )

4. wayne - WL - 3

Forest
Noble Hierarch
Noble Hierarch
Qasali Pridemage

See below

5. Myy WW - 6 - Tidal turns peat into island on play, cursecatcher turn 1, he plays creeper, I play warrior, he swings 3 he chains I cursecatcher, I play rogue elephant, he waits...I win race as soon as he attacks with Blindcreeper I start swinging for 4 or he blocks and hit him for 1 until he dies.

Peat Bog
Dodecapod
Chain of Smog
Blind Creeper

6. DerFisch WW - 6 Rogue Elephant is good

Knight of Sursi
Mind Swords
Phyrexian Walker
Scrubland

7. mattw WW 6 - on play I turn Forest into island, draw is below

Forest
City of Traitors
Awakening Zone
Jinxed Idol

T1 forest : T1 tidal/curse
T2 City/Zone : T2 swing 1 him 19, tidal/curse
T3 Jinxed sac zone dude : me 18, rogue swing 17
T4 0/1 : me 16 swing chump rogue 15
I'm just fast enough as this happens continuously

8. MAB_Rapper WW - 6 On play and draw play Cursecatcher then Tidal warrior, turn hollow trees into an island so he can never play slime (you can't play it quick enough MAB as it takes 4-5 turns to get it going).

Swamp
Innocent Blood
Hollow Trees
Mitotic Slime

9. coinmagic45 WW - 6 My deck was jank, but it was good jank...everyone's gotta love a Sea's Claim that can swing for 1

Peat Bog
Mesmeric Fiend
Diabolic Edict
Blind Creeper

10. Battle_of_Twits WD - 4 - See below?

Llanowar Reborn
Savannah
Skyshroud Elite
Journey to Nowhere

11. WCFmo XX

Tidal Warrior
Cursecatcher
Rogue Elephant
Tropical Island

12. junichi WW - 6, Icatian Store is not friends with Tidal Warrior

Mana Tithe
Baneslayer Angel
Icatian Store
Plains

13. Liq

Illegal decklist

Looks like my "haterator" deck did good this week

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## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL
11 4 4 X 3 6 6 6 6 6 04 XX 06 51




[Edited 2 times, lastly by WCFmo on September 02, 2010]
 
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Congratulations WCFmo.. well played.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Myy:
Congratulations WCFmo.. well played.

Thank you sir. I may have messed up somewhere, but I'll be glad if I won this round so we don't have a bunch of other people playing Tidal Warrior decks for the next few weeks like we did w/ the Mind Swords decks when I played it 3 weeks ago

 
Myy
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quote:
Originally posted by WCFmo:
Thank you sir. I may have messed up somewhere, but I'll be glad if I won this round so we don't have a bunch of other people playing Tidal Warrior decks for the next few weeks like we did w/ the Mind Swords decks when I played it 3 weeks ago

yeah, if you don't wanna shift the meta again, please be sure you win with the deck. :P

 
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quote:
Originally posted by WCFmo:
Thank you sir. I may have messed up somewhere, but I'll be glad if I won this round so we don't have a bunch of other people playing Tidal Warrior decks for the next few weeks like we did w/ the Mind Swords decks when I played it 3 weeks ago

pretty sure your match against wayne is wrong. he swings for 5, not 4, due to exalted x 3.

edit:
same thing with BoT. He can cast Journey on your elephant by not playing Savannah until you have the elephant out.


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[Edited 1 times, lastly by junichi on September 02, 2010]

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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
pretty sure your match against wayne is wrong. he swings for 5, not 4, due to exalted x 3.

edit:
same thing with BoT. He can cast Journey on your elephant by not playing Savannah until you have the elephant out.


I will review and rescore later tonight if need be. Thanks.

Edit -

If he doesn't play his Savannah my play, I keep turning Llanowar into an Island ftw and attacking for one until he does. On his play he plays Llanowar and I play Tidal Warrior, he plays Skyshroud on T2, I Play Cursecatcher, T3 He swings for 3 me 17, My T3 I play Rogue Elephant making his guy 2/2. It is a draw, my fault on that one...unless there is a better play somewhere. WD? 4

4. wayne - WL 3

Forest
Noble Hierarch
Noble Hierarch
Qasali Pridemage

Play
Tidal, Hierarch
Curse, (turn forest into island) Hierarch
Rogue Swing 2, Qasali
Rogue Swing 3 (15), Qasali Swing 5 (15)
Rogue + 2 little guys (10), I still win...I think.

Draw
Noble, Tidal
Qasali, Curse
Noble swing 5 (15), Rogue swing 2
...I don't think I win this one then.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by WCFmo on September 02, 2010]

 
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This is my first time actually playing these games out in my head and on paper so bear with me, i'm gonna make some mistakes.

I'm marking as i go first then second.

Jazaray - WW
Yakusoku - ??
Alexisonfyre - DL
Wayne - LL I never even checked, just assumed.
Myy - DL
DerFisch - LL Seriously? lame.
MabRapper - WW
CoinMagic - WL
Battle_of_Twits - WW
WCFmo - LL
Junichi - LL
Liq - ??

## 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 TOTAL
07 06 ?? 01 00 01 00 xx 06 03 06 00 00 ?? 23

Pfff, and my buddy wanted me to play this deck.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by mattw on September 02, 2010]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
I think it should be WL for you.

On his play, he plays turn 1 city, jinxed idol. Turn 2, he floats 2 from city, play his forest, and casts awakening zone.


You're right that my analysis is not correct, but I think it's still WW for me:

Turn 1 Idol. I play Bog. He goes to 18 and plays Awakening Zone. I play Creeper. He goes to 16, makes a token, and trades Idol. I go to 18 and attack him to 13 and play Fiend. From here he gets a chump blocker and blocks Creeper, letting Fiend through. The score changes on my turn: 16-12, 14-11, 12-10, 10-9, 8-8, 6-7. On the turn my life goes to 4, I attack him down to 6 and sacrifice Fiend to trade Idol. On his upkeep, he gets a token, takes 2 damage (going to 4), and trades Idol back to me. This leaves him without a chump-blocker for Creeper, so I go to 2 and attack him to 1 and trade the Idol back to him. He can trade it in his upkeep, but the trigger is still on the stack and he loses.

Thoughts?

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quote:
Originally posted by WCFmo:
Thank you sir. I may have messed up somewhere, but I'll be glad if I won this round so we don't have a bunch of other people playing Tidal Warrior decks for the next few weeks like we did w/ the Mind Swords decks when I played it 3 weeks ago

Congrats! The meta is shifting so quickly that it's hard to keep up with :-P My last few decks would have crushed the previous weeks but don't do anything in the week I play them. For example, I go WW against the Mind Swords deck but only 1 person played it this week. And I also go WW against any Progenitus decks :-P So much for metagaming correctly!

I am glad, though, that the Warrior is gone. Now hopefully we can get rid of all other cheap "turn this land into a basic land" cards and Mind Swords and the other one, and then the format can REALLY develop :-)

 
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quote:
Originally posted by coinmagic45:
You're right that my analysis is not correct, but I think it's still WW for me:

Turn 1 Idol. I play Bog. He goes to 18 and plays Awakening Zone. I play Creeper. He goes to 16, makes a token, and trades Idol. I go to 18 and attack him to 13 and play Fiend. From here he gets a chump blocker and blocks Creeper, letting Fiend through. The score changes on my turn: 16-12, 14-11, 12-10, 10-9, 8-8, 6-7. On the turn my life goes to 4, I attack him down to 6 and sacrifice Fiend to trade Idol. On his upkeep, he gets a token, takes 2 damage (going to 4), and trades Idol back to me. This leaves him without a chump-blocker for Creeper, so I go to 2 and attack him to 1 and trade the Idol back to him. He can trade it in his upkeep, but the trigger is still on the stack and he loses.

Thoughts?



He doesn't need to give you the idol right away. He can chump your creeper first, then switch control.

This is how I see it:
Turn 1
Him: City, Idol
You: Bog

Turn 2
Him: 18, Awakening Zone
You: Creeper

Turn 3
Him: 16, 1 Token.
You: You cast Fiend, attack for 3. He chump with token, then sac it to idol.

Turn 4
Him: 1 Token.
You: 18, attack with both creatures. Creeper blocked, he takes 1 from Fiend, down to 15.

Turn 5
Him: 1 Token.
you: 16, attack with both creatures. Creeper blocked, he takes 1 from Fiend, down to 14.

If this trend continues, I dont think you can win.

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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
You: You cast Fiend, attack for 3. He chump with token, then sac it to idol.

I thought you can't sac a creature that's on it's way to the graveyard? It used to be that way, but things might have changed..


Thanks,
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quote:
Originally posted by Jazaray:
I thought you can't sac a creature that's on it's way to the graveyard? It used to be that way, but things might have changed..


Thanks,
Jazaray


Jaz, you still can sac a creature after it blocks, it just will not be able to deal combat damage to the creature it blocked.

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this might be for the rulings thread but if i declared the token as a blocker then sac'd it to the idol wouldn't i still take the damage from the attacking creature?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by mattw:
this might be for the rulings thread but if i declared the token as a blocker then sac'd it to the idol wouldn't i still take the damage from the attacking creature?

No, if it is a legal blocker you can sacrifice it before it gets dealt damage and take no damage yourself.

 
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Peeps, trust MAB, and WCFmo they know what they're talking about. they're correct
 
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## 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 TOTAL
04 WL XX WL XX WL LL WW DD WW WW WL LL XX 30


WCFmo: Of course, I'm the only one with a win against the winning deck. *wink wink

 
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code:

## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL
03 6 X X 3 4 6 4 6 3 02 01 02 37

I was out of town for the week, this is a quick score of my round, I'm still not sure if I go WW against MAB (as he wrote in his post). Doesn't matter anyway, great deck WCFMo!

 
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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
[QUOTE]stuff


Yeah I think you're right. Editing my score now...

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Results posted tomorrow?

Also, thanks everyone...didn't expect to do this good

 
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I hate you by the way, rogue elephant was going to be my deck next week. Forest Forest Rogue Rogue.
 

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