7. Is it a draw if i keep shocking Ajani so he can never put an avatar token into play and we both just keep gaining life?
8. i gain more life than he can deal so would this result in another incomplete game?

Thanks,
Jazaray

__________________
A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom.

quote:

---

Originally posted by DerFisch:
Maybe we should do an honorary mention for most original decklist starting this (next?) week?

Everybody votes on who's deck they like the best in addition to their scoring? Maybe apply a second winning section?

---

code:

---

## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL
11 0 6 6 4 6 6 6 6 0 06 XX 06 52

---

1. Magic1264 - I can't stop Progenitus. LL

2. yakusoku - On the draw, he plays turn 1 Voidstone naming Show and Tell and putting me at 25. I play Silos. He attacks me to 22 and I go to 1 counter, then 19-2, 16-3, 13-4, 10-5, 7-6, then he attacks me to 4 and Titan taps him down for the win. WW

3. mattw - I steal his Mountain so he can't Shock me, then a 6/6 Titan keeps his City tapped down. WW

4. Jazaray - On the draw, she plays turn 1 Hangar. I play Silos. She gets 1 counter. I get 1 counter. She gets 2 counters. I get 2 counters. She plays Shortfang. I get 3 counters. She makes me discard a card, so I discard Confiscate. I play Show and Tell putting Titan into play and keep her land tapped down. She can't play Edict or use Shortfang's ability to make it a 3/3. However, Swarmyard lets her 1/1 block my 6/6 all day... On the play, I can Confiscate Shortfang before she can make me discard it. WD

5. DerFisch - On the draw, he plays turn 1 Cove. I play Silos. He gets 1 counter and plays Cove #2. I get 1 counter. He gets 1 + 2 counters. I get 2 counters. He gets 2 + 3 counters. I get 3 counters. He gets 3+4 counters. I play Show and Tell, putting Titan into play and tapping his land with 4 counters. I keep it tapped down and kill him before he gets to 7 counters on the other land. WW

6. Alexisonfyre - See yakusoku above. WW

7. MAB_Rapper - On the draw, he plays turn 1 Farm. I play Silos. He plays Farm #2. I go to 1 counter. He plays Ajani, pumps to 5, and goes to 22 life. I go to 2 counters. He pumps to 6, goes to 24 life. I go to 3 counters. If he ultimates now, then Show and Tell + Confiscate steals his creature and his planeswalker is dead. So he pumps to 7 and goes to 26 life. I play Show and Tell for Confiscate, taking Ajani, and I win. WW

8. Battle_of_Twits - His clock is way too slow. Confiscate stops Confinement, and Titan beats Squee. WW

9. WCFmo - On the draw, he plays turn 1 Slith. I play Silos. He plays Chamber and attacks me to 19 (2/2). I go to 1 counter. He plays Chalice for 1, pumps Slith, attacks me to 16 (4/4). I go to 2 counters. He goes to 2 on Chalice, attacks me to 12 (5/5). I go to 3 counters. He goes to 3 on Chalice, attacks me to 7 (6/6). I can't race. On the play, I play Silos. He plays Chalice + Chamber. I go to 1 counter. He goes to 1 on Chamber and plays Slith. I go to 2 counters. He goes to 2 on Chalice and attacks me to 19 (2/2). I go to 3 counters. He goes to 3 on Chalice and attacks me to 17 (3/3). I go to 4 counters. He pumps Slith and attacks me to 13 (5/5). I go to 5 counters. He pumps Slith and attacks me to 7 (7/7). I go to 6 counters. He kills me next turn. LL

10. Myy - On the draw, he plays turn 1 Toolbox. I play Silos. He plays Chamber and attacks me to 19. I go to 1 counter. He plays Chalice for 1, pumps Toolbox, attacks me to 17 (2/2). I go to 2 counters. He goes to 2 on Chalice, attacks me to 15 (2/2). I go to 3 counters. He goes to 3 on Chalice, attacks me to 13 (2/2). I go to 4 counters. He attacks me with a 3/3 to 10. I go to 5 counters. He attacks me with a 4/4 to 6. I go to 6 counters. I attacks me with a 5/5 to 1. Then Titan keeps him tapped down and I win. WW

11. junichi - See Battle_of_Twits above. WW

__________________
3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky

quote:

---

Originally posted by Jazaray:
coinmagic45 - WL

---

See my explanation above. I think I go WW against you.

quote:

---

Originally posted by DerFisch:
At least I beat coinmagic!

---

See my explanation above. I think I go WW against you.

__________________
3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky

quote:

---

Originally posted by coinmagic45:
See my explanation above. I think I go WW against you.

See my explanation above. I think I go WW against you.

---

Jaz can block your titan with Shortfang all day long. Read Swarmyard.

__________________
40 Eye of Ugin and 4 foil Eye of Ugin for Black Lotus!?

Thanks,
Jazaray

__________________
A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom.

mattw works on a 2 turn cycle(Shock, Elixir, rinse and repeat). That means he can't kill you until turn 20.
Careful management will let you get Nezumi safely out and flipped by turn 6. By turn 16, mattw will have run his elixir cycle 8 times, gaining 40 life. That plus his starting 20 means you will need to have done 60 damage to kill him. During turns 7-16 he will take 30 points of damage from Nezumi's ability and 30 points of damage from Nezumi attacking. He's dead.

While you are correct that you don't need two counters on Hangar to cast Shortfang against coinmagic45, you need two counters to cast and then activate him. If you cast him as soon as you have one counter on Hangar, you then end up waiting for a turn to get the second counter to activate him. You go DL since you can block all day when you are on the play, but you can't make him discard Confiscate when you're on the draw.

coinmagic - you seem to like being overly complicated.

Against DerFisch, you can simply show and Tell the Titan into play and lock down the land he played on turn one. By the time he gets 7 counters on the other land, you'll have killed him with Titan beatdown.

Against MAB, you wait to see what he does with Ajani at 6.
If he makes the avatar, confiscate it.
If he moves Ajani to 7, Confiscate Ajani and make your own avatar.
__________________
"If you're right 90% of the time, why quibble about the other 3% ?"

quote:

---

Originally posted by WestWycke:
coinmagic - you seem to like being overly complicated.

---

Yeah, as I was thinking about this over the course of the day, I realized that both your lines of play would have been infinitely simpler. I just hadn't had a chance to change them before you saw my complicatedness :-P

__________________
3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky

Island
City of Traitors
Show and Tell
Progenitus

2. yakusoku LL 0

Forest
Skyshroud Cutter
Metamorphosis
Voidstone Gargoyle

3. mattw DD 2 - He can't kill me and I can't kill him.

Mountain
City of Traitors
Shock
Elixir of Immortality

4. Jazaray WW 6 - Jaz can't regenerate off Wrath.

Nezumi Shortfang
Subterranean Hangar
Swarmyard
Chainer's Edict

5. DerFisch WW 6 - I can pay for Illusions once and win from there.

Saprazzan Cove
Saprazzan Cove
Illusions of Grandeur
Donate

6. Alexisonfyre LL 0

Forest
Skyshroud Cutter
Metamorphosis
Voidstone Gargoyle

7. MAB_Rapper XX X

Remote Farm
Remote Farm
Ajani Goldmane
Wrath of God

8. Battle_of_Twits DD 2 - I can't kill him and he can't kill me.

Solitary Confinement
Squee, Goblin Nabob
Boros Garrison
Keldon Megaliths

9. WCFmo WW 6 - Wrath and Ajani is faster than him upping Chalice.

Energy Chamber
Arcbound Slith
City of Traitors
Chalice of the Void

10. Myy WW 6 - Same as above

Energy Chamber
Jhoira's Toolbox
City of Traitors
Chalice of the Void

11. coinmagic45 LL 0 - His words work.

Sand Silos
Show and Tell
Frost Titan
Confiscate

12. junichi DD 2 - See before.

Boros Garrison
Keldon Megaliths
Solitary Confinement
Squee, Goblin Nabob

code:

---

## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL
07 6 0 2 6 6 0 X 2 6 06 00 02 36

---

__________________
MOTL's Most Likely to Play in the Pro Tour - Three Years Running for 2007, 2008, and 2009
(My Nationals)

WestWycke, mattw can shock my shortfang when it's still a 1/1, before I can use it's ability, on both my play and his play.

I'm not sure what you said about coinmagic, I'm not very good at this yet, but I'll take your word on it.

Thanks,
Jazaray

__________________
A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom.

I think WestWycke is correct.

WFCmo and I can just up the chalice to 4 , before you play WoG, and then attack ajani.

quote:

---

Originally posted by Jazaray:
WestWycke, mattw can shock my shortfang when it's still a 1/1, before I can use it's ability, on both my play and his play.

---

As mattw pointed out, you can just use your storage land mana to cast and flip, and just save the Swarmyard for regen purposes. However, there is another factor that might have gone unnoticed.
When activated, the Elixir has mattw shuffle his graveyard into his deck. Since this is a matter of randomizing the cards in his library, and in V4CB all random effects go against the owner of the card, this means that you will always be able to determine what will be the first card mattw draws after a shuffle. Once the Shock is in the graveyard, you can safely use the swarmyard for mana, knowing that mattw can't draw Shock the next turn.

As for what I said about your contest vs coinmagic45.
Coinmagic45 originally scored it as WW. He described how he thought he could defeat you even with you going first.
Junichi correctly pointed out that Shortfang could block and regenerate, implying a DD result.
I was pointing out that while you could follow coinmagic45's original description with Junichi's modification on the play, on the draw you would not be fast enough to make him discard Confiscate. Coinmagic45 has updated his battle plan explanation accordingly, acknowledging that one plan doesn't cover both play and draw.

quote:

---

Originally posted by Jazaray:
MAB, u go WD against me. Not WW. On my play I make you either discard Ajani (draw) or WOG (I win).

---

@Myy - couple of things
1) Your suggested plan against MAB only works for you, not WCFmo. MAB's avatar crushes the Slith who can't regenerate like your Toolbox can.
2) Your plan only works when you go first. When you go second, MAB will be able to get Ajani to 7 counters before the Toolbox arrives. He makes an avatar that the Toolbox must block/regen. But with Ajani still on the board, you will soon die to the second avatar.

You go WL vs MAB, WCFmo still goes LL.

__________________
"If you're right 90% of the time, why quibble about the other 3% ?"

__________________
MOTL's Most Likely to Play in the Pro Tour - Three Years Running for 2007, 2008, and 2009
(My Nationals)

code:

---

## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL
06 6 3 6 0 6 X 6 6 3 03 00 06 45

---

quote:

---

Originally posted by wayne:
Whoa, missed 2 weeks of this already, hope I'll remember to take part next week. I see coinmagic's last two decks look suspiciously familiar .

---

Updated and improved, might I add :-)

__________________
3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky

Island
City of Traitors
Show and Tell
Progenitus

2. yakusoku WL 3

Forest
Skyshroud Cutter
Metamorphosis
Voidstone Gargoyle

3. mattw WW 6

Mountain
City of Traitors
Shock
Elixir of Immortality

4. Jazaray WD 4 - Jaz, I win on play b/c you can't play edict nor Nezumi b/c I get chalice at 2 before you can cast it. I draw on your play b/c you have to edict or I get 2 counters on Chalice (see me v coinmagic last game). On play, me chalice at zero chamber. Jaz, sub. Me slith chamber at 1, jaz taps to get a storage counter, counter on chalice...Win as she can't play either card.

Nezumi Shortfang
Subterranean Hangar
Swarmyard
Chainer's Edict

5. DerFisch WW - he can't put enough storage counters on it to cast both donate and grandeur before i get 3 counters on chalice ftw. 6

Saprazzan Cove
Saprazzan Cove
Illusions of Grandeur
Donate

6. Alexisonfyre WL

Forest
Skyshroud Cutter
Metamorphosis
Voidstone Gargoyle

7. MAB_Rapper LL

Remote Farm
Remote Farm
Ajani Goldmane
Wrath of God

8. Battle_of_Twits WL 3

Solitary Confinement
Squee, Goblin Nabob
Boros Garrison
Keldon Megaliths

Anyone got sage advice for these 2 matchups? I think it's WL but I'm not sure.

9. WCFmo XX

Energy Chamber
Arcbound Slith
City of Traitors
Chalice of the Void

10. Myy DD 2

Energy Chamber
Jhoira's Toolbox
City of Traitors
Chalice of the Void

11. coinmagic45 WW 6 - I'll take coinmagic's word on this.

Sand Silos
Show and Tell
Frost Titan
Confiscate

12. junichi WL 3

Boros Garrison
Keldon Megaliths
Solitary Confinement
Squee, Goblin Nabob

code:

---

## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL
12 6 0 2 6 6 0 2 2 3 03 00 xx 30

---

__________________
40 Eye of Ugin and 4 foil Eye of Ugin for Black Lotus!?

Island
City of Traitors
Show and Tell
Progenitus

2. yakusoku WL

Forest
Skyshroud Cutter
Metamorphosis
Voidstone Gargoyle

3. mattw WW

Mountain
City of Traitors
Shock
Elixir of Immortality

4. Jazaray LL

Nezumi Shortfang
Subterranean Hangar
Swarmyard
Chainer's Edict

5. DerFisch WW

Saprazzan Cove
Saprazzan Cove
Illusions of Grandeur
Donate

6. Alexisonfyre WL

Forest
Skyshroud Cutter
Metamorphosis
Voidstone Gargoyle

7. MAB_Rapper WL

Remote Farm
Remote Farm
Ajani Goldmane
Wrath of God

8. Battle_of_Twits WL

Solitary Confinement
Squee, Goblin Nabob
Boros Garrison
Keldon Megaliths

9. WCFmo DD

Energy Chamber
Arcbound Slith
City of Traitors
Chalice of the Void

10. Myy XX

Energy Chamber
Jhoira's Toolbox
City of Traitors
Chalice of the Void

11. coinmagic45 LL

Sand Silos
Show and Tell
Frost Titan
Confiscate

12. junichi WL

Boros Garrison
Keldon Megaliths
Solitary Confinement
Squee, Goblin Nabob

## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL
10 0 3 6 0 6 3 3 3 2 xx 00 03 29

code:

---

01 X 0 6 0 6 0 0 0 6 06 06 00 30
02 6 X 6 0 6 3 6 6 3 03 00 06 45
03 0 0 x 0 6 0 2 2 0 00 00 02 12
04 6 6 0 X 6 6 0 0 6 06 01 00 37 
05 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 06 00 6
06 6 3 6 0 6 X 6 6 3 03 00 06 45
07 6 0 2 6 6 0 X 2 6 06 00 02 36
08 6 0 2 6 6 0 2 X 3 03 00 02 30 
09 0 3 6 4 6 3 0 3 X 02 06 03 36 
10 0 3 6 0 6 3 3 3 2 xx 00 03 29 
11 0 6 6 4 6 6 6 6 0 06 XX 06 52 <= winner!
12 6 0 2 6 6 0 2 2 3 03 00 XX 30

---