hehe, for real though Stu, those kids don't have any money and don't want to lose to good players...

As for constructed, their Angel decks, Zombie decks and Sliver decks probably aren't Standard legal, let alone any good, ya know?

What if you do door prizes for people that don't place? If you don't win something based on performance, you get some dumb foil promo, and your name is in a drawing for 3 packs or something...

We're talking about coming out for sunday's event, but with the steeler game and some of us having to work Sunday night it may not happen. I hope this helps you have a better understanding of our perspective anyway.

I guess the added prize support doesn't really outweigh the added cost and distance (which you obviously can't change) in our minds.

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Originally posted by DerFisch:
Are you talking about the vault still or did you go off and start that store you were talking about? Also if it's the vault, that's a good 45 minutes away with plenty of places Friday nights for us to play at. Also, at least my friends and I feel that $15 for a draft is a little steep. I understand it's only a dollar or so more and with better prize support than almost everywhere else, but at least for us, we only care about the actual drafting part. The prize support is really just a bonus, so paying the extra few bucks plus getting out there inherently seems steep.

We're talking about coming out for sunday's event, but with the steeler game and some of us having to work Sunday night it may not happen. I hope this helps you have a better understanding of our perspective anyway.

I guess the added prize support doesn't really outweigh the added cost and distance (which you obviously can't change) in our minds.

Edit: I hate typing on my iPod.

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For the record, it takes <1/4 a tank to get there, so if people car pool it MIGHT cost $3 to make it out there.

The draft format is this:

Payout: 8-4
Cost: $15 or 3 pack and $5 or 5 packs

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So, it could cost people significantly less than $15 if they bring packs or win them. Everyone loves these drafts, and we fire off at least 5 a night, but the trick it, it is the same 8-12 people, and I want to up that number[/B]

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Originally posted by davef139:

Are they really good drafters? If so thats alone is probably driving people away.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
The cheaper a draft is the better. $10 drafts with little-to-no prize are best. I hate playing "2 round" FNM, where it's basically single elim cuz the guys at the top always split - splitting should be against the rules.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
The cheaper a draft is the better. $10 drafts with little-to-no prize are best. I hate playing "2 round" FNM, where it's basically single elim cuz the guys at the top always split - splitting should be against the rules.

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It is if it's a Swiss Tournament.
"The decision to drop, concede, or agree to an intentional draw cannot be made in exchange for or influenced by
the offer of any reward or incentive." that includes splitting prizes.

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Originally posted by TimeBeing:
It is if it's a Swiss Tournament.
"The decision to drop, concede, or agree to an intentional draw cannot be made in exchange for or influenced by
the offer of any reward or incentive." that includes splitting prizes.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
I hate playing "2 round" FNM, where it's basically single elim cuz the guys at the top always split - splitting should be against the rules.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
uh, you tacked on the last little bit after the quotes because... ?
Prize splits are acceptable.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
uh, you tacked on the last little bit after the quotes because... ?
Prize splits are acceptable.

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No they are not. You can't say "you want to draw and split prizes" in a Swiss tournament.

In single elimination you can but not Swiss. I tacked that on because some may not understand that splitting is an "offer of any reward or incentive" if you want to read the whole thing it's rule 5.2 of the MTR.

Is it hard to enforce? Yes. Will a decent judge DQ if they hear it or your opponent calls a judge? Maybe. The new rules for Regular REL is not as strict but it is in there as a DQable offense. (EDIT: Never mind you should be DQ at a Reg event, this was just made clear on the Judge List) At anything higher a big yes.

Will a store owner who could care less let you do it? Probably

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Also, just inquiring if the person would like to intentionally draw is perfectly acceptable. It is up to the TO to decide how prizes will be given out and if 2-0-1 are a given out a certain way, so be it.

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yes drawing is fine, but only if no prizes were offered for it.

You are quite the polarizing figure in the store. As far as I could see today, that was probably the biggest issue. Like I said to you earlier this evening, people who aren't regulars are going to be put off by that. Honestly, some, people who are regulars seem to be as well. You can tell me I'm full of crap, but unless that changes, I guarantee turnout won't improve. That was the first thing I had to learn when I started running stuff for Sal again.

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Originally posted by Valor007:
Owners being deuches is the easiest way to lose customers, store near here had an owner tell someone he couldn't stay and watch a draft on a saturday even though the only reason he didn't want to play was it would make 9 people, add an extra round and add a buy which is annoying. He said he'd still buy the packs but he wasn't playing, the owner told him to f off so we just packed our stuff and left, I'd rather drive an extra 25 minutes than deal with a prick like that all the time.

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