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lickaneye
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posted January 12, 2012 03:51 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for lickaneye Click Here to Email lickaneye Send a private message to lickaneye Click to send lickaneye an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I just recently read that it's bad practice to request an artist to sign a card that they did not illustrate. Furthermore, in the event that they do agree to sign the card, they often will only agree to sign in the back.
Is this true?
 
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posted January 12, 2012 03:55 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Loathing Click Here to Email Loathing Send a private message to Loathing Click to send Loathing an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I don't deal much with signed cards, but it doesn't seem unlikely that asking an artist to put their signature on somebody else's work wouldn't go over well.
 
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Why would you want them to?
If all you wanted was their autograph, hand them a piece of paper. Don't insult them by offering someone else's work.

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Thanos
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posted January 12, 2012 04:52 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Thanos Click Here to Email Thanos Send a private message to Thanos Click to send Thanos an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
First off, you could have asked this in the right topic, no need for it's own topic.

The is no reason to ask an artist to sign a card they did not do, unless they alter the art on the card.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by lickaneye:
I just recently read that it's bad practice to request an artist to sign a card that they did not illustrate.


How would you think this is good form?
"Hey, put your name on this thing you didn't do."
Yah, that doesn't sound awkward.

I've seen a Drew Tucker signed revised plateau:
"This is Cornelius Brudi
-Drew Tucker"

People just try to get their cards signed because they mistakenly feel it increases the value instead of getting a card signed because they appreciate the artist's work.

 
lickaneye
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posted January 13, 2012 01:35 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for lickaneye Click Here to Email lickaneye Send a private message to lickaneye Click to send lickaneye an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Before this conversation heads down the wrong path. Let me clarify a little bit and redirect this conversation. I am asking because I have a Beta Walk that was signed by:

Kaja Foglio
Phil Foglio
Douglas Scular
Dan Frazier
Christopher Rush
Doug Fischer
Susan Van Camp
Richard Garfield
and a few other notable early artist.

So basically the whole front of the card is almost completely covered with sigs. I wasn't the one that got the sigs as I agree it would be very awkward to ask for such a thing from an artist. But the person I bought it from many years ago basically told me a super involved story on how the card came to be. But in a nutshell, because Amy Weber wasn't signing cards anymore, he decided to get all the signatures of the other notable artist.
This was done in the earlier days of Magic obviously... circa 1997. So that's where my question is stemming from. It sounds like it should be a relatively rare item to have then right? Any ideas on value?

 
Thanos
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posted January 13, 2012 03:46 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Thanos Click Here to Email Thanos Send a private message to Thanos Click to send Thanos an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I honestly wouldn't touch it, and I would say it would devalue it greatly.

And I'm not sure why he would think Amy Weber doesn't sign, she does.

 
Markers
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posted January 13, 2012 04:48 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Markers Click Here to Email Markers Send a private message to Markers Click to send Markers an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
There are some special cases where the artist's name is wrong...I have a Brian Snoddy's signed Active Volcano or a Amy Weber/Doug Shuler-signed Serra Elemental.

But randomly getting people to sign cards is just a nono...

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quote:
Originally posted by lickaneye:
Before this conversation heads down the wrong path. Let me clarify a little bit and redirect this conversation. I am asking because I have a Beta Walk that was signed by:

Kaja Foglio
Phil Foglio
Douglas Scular
Dan Frazier
Christopher Rush
Doug Fischer
Susan Van Camp
Richard Garfield
and a few other notable early artist.

So basically the whole front of the card is almost completely covered with sigs. I wasn't the one that got the sigs as I agree it would be very awkward to ask for such a thing from an artist. But the person I bought it from many years ago basically told me a super involved story on how the card came to be. But in a nutshell, because Amy Weber wasn't signing cards anymore, he decided to get all the signatures of the other notable artist.
This was done in the earlier days of Magic obviously... circa 1997. So that's where my question is stemming from. It sounds like it should be a relatively rare item to have then right? Any ideas on value?


I wouldn't want it. Seems like an insult to the artists.

 
airwalk
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posted January 13, 2012 12:57 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for airwalk Send a private message to airwalk Click to send airwalk an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Thanos:
I honestly wouldn't touch it, and I would say it would devalue it greatly.

And I'm not sure why he would think Amy Weber doesn't sign, she does.


This happened in 1997... maybe she wasn't signing cards then.

quote:
Originally posted by southparker2002:
I wouldn't want it. Seems like an insult to the artists.

You're out to lunch. If they were all so insulted they wouldn't have signed it.

It sounds like a very unique piece, the story behind it is important to understand how it came to be. There will be multiple camps when it comes to valuing things like these, those who thinks it's an abomination and it's worth much less, those that just want a beta walk and don't care, and a handful of people who think it's very interesting that it has the sig's of multiple notable early MTG artists.

I wouldn't look at it as a bastardization of one persons art but rather a relic and piece of history of an era in Magic long gone.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by airwalk on January 13, 2012]

 
Samite Healer
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posted January 13, 2012 02:58 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Samite Healer Click Here to Email Samite Healer Send a private message to Samite Healer Click to send Samite Healer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I think it all depends on how you approach the artist. If you are tactful, and have a compelling reason I wouldn't see an artist getting offended. If you just walk up to an artist and say "here, will you sign this?" you will get some raised eyebrows.

Instead if you said this, you might have a favorable response:

"Hi Mr./Ms. _____, thank you for all of your hard work throughout the years that has brought our game to life. I realize that this isn't your illustration and that it is an unusual request, but this particular card is very important to me for reason X,Y or Z. In order to capture a part of Magic's past, I am seeking the signatures of all the original artists from Magic's early days on a single piece that has meaning for me. I'd appreciate if you would be willing to sign it for me. Thanks very much."

That would likely get a totally different response.

Despite that idea though, I wouldn't go around making it commonplace or turn it into any kind of habit.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Samite Healer:
I think it all depends on how you approach the artist. If you are tactful, and have a compelling reason I wouldn't see an artist getting offended. If you just walk up to an artist and say "here, will you sign this?" you will get some raised eyebrows.

Instead if you said this, you might have a favorable response:

"Hi Mr./Ms. _____, thank you for all of your hard work throughout the years that has brought our game to life. I realize that this isn't your illustration and that it is an unusual request, but this particular card is very important to me for reason X,Y or Z. In order to capture a part of Magic's past, I am seeking the signatures of all the original artists from Magic's early days on a single piece that has meaning for me. I'd appreciate if you would be willing to sign it for me. Thanks very much."

That would likely get a totally different response.

Despite that idea though, I wouldn't go around making it commonplace or turn it into any kind of habit.


This deserves a +1.

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Bagbokk
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posted January 13, 2012 03:08 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Bagbokk Click Here to Email Bagbokk Send a private message to Bagbokk Click to send Bagbokk an Instant MessageVisit Bagbokk's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Thanos:
And I'm not sure why he would think Amy Weber doesn't sign, she does.

She does sign now to my knowledge also, but maybe there was a point where she didn't sign--he did say that he bought it "many years ago" when that statement was made.

As far as that Time Walk is concerned, I don't see it as "artist signing a card illustrated by another artist" anymore, I see it as "a collection of a bunch of early artists' sigs on an old and pretty iconic card." Would probably have been cooler on a Lotus, but hey.

That's also why I would now disagree with this:

quote:
If all you wanted was their autograph, hand them a piece of paper. Don't insult them by offering someone else's work.

You don't want someone's autograph just to have their autograph, you want it on something that means something. Now normally offering someone else's work is probably insulting, but offering what is now just "a card with a lot of other artists' sigs" and asking someone to add theirs, doesn't seem anywhere nearly as insulting at all. It's like asking for an autograph on a random baseball, you don't need it to be the one baseball that they hit a grand slam off of, any old baseball would be okay. That's what this Time Walk has turned into, IMO.

[Edited 3 times, lastly by Bagbokk on January 13, 2012]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Markers:
There are some special cases where the artist's name is wrong...

On that note: The Poole/Frazier Twins

 
rockondon
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posted January 14, 2012 11:55 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for rockondon Click Here to Email rockondon Send a private message to rockondon Click to send rockondon an Instant MessageVisit rockondon's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View rockondon's Have/Want ListView rockondon's Have/Want List
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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
That's also why I would now disagree with this:

quote:
If all you wanted was their autograph, hand them a piece of paper. Don't insult them by offering someone else's work.
Now that the story has changed to having multiple artists signing one card, I would disagree with it too.

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quote:
Originally posted by lickaneye:
I just recently read that it's bad practice to request an artist to sign a card that they did not illustrate. Furthermore, in the event that they do agree to sign the card, they often will only agree to sign in the back.
Is this true?

Not in case of my Portuguese BB Mana Batteries. Anson Maddocks signed all of them

 

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