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Topic: Is snapcaster mage about to be banned?
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Reliquium
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posted January 25, 2012 12:38 AM
      
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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
Worst Idea Ever.
You're right, of course. I didn't think it through.
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thror
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posted January 25, 2012 01:09 AM
 
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Originally posted by broiler1977:
I think the bannings are good for the game. Just not good for the wallet when you see value plummet.
Bannings are NOT good for the game. It means wotc screwed up somewhere bigtime. We went 7 years without a banning in standard, from Affinity to Cawblade. Where do people get this crap. __________________
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JoshSherman
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posted January 25, 2012 05:00 AM
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Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
Pretty sure equal rights was a worse idea.
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Vegas10
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posted January 25, 2012 05:18 AM
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Originally posted by dfitzg88:
Jace, Stoneforge, and BBE were usually showing up in 7/8 top decklists in every major tournament. Snapcaster is not holding his own by that standard. He's not doing a whole lot actually.
A. I said he is right on the edge and take a wait and see
B. the last starcity open 7 of the top 8 decks played, you guessed it Snapcaster Mage, and I bet that type of trend continues.
I like Snapcaster, but he is easily the best card in standard for it's cost and generally as formats mature the cream rises and if all the cream is Snapcaster decks WOTC will look at banning him, but like I said to early to say ban him yet, but I bet he is on there watch list.
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choco man
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posted January 25, 2012 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by Vegas10:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dfitzg88:
Jace, Stoneforge, and BBE were usually showing up in 7/8 top decklists in every major tournament. Snapcaster is not holding his own by that standard. He's not doing a whole lot actually.
A. I said he is right on the edge and take a wait and see
B. the last starcity open 7 of the top 8 decks played, you guessed it Snapcaster Mage, and I bet that type of trend continues.
I like Snapcaster, but he is easily the best card in standard for it's cost and generally as formats mature the cream rises and if all the cream is Snapcaster decks WOTC will look at banning him, but like I said to early to say ban him yet, but I bet he is on there watch list.[/QUOTE] Standard has cheap counter-magic on par with Counterspell (ie Mana Leak) and cheap removal on par with Swords to Plowshares (ie Vapor Snag) and cheap threats on par with Wild Nacatl (ie Delver of Secrets)......and all in the same color (ie Blue). Cheap, almost invulnerable threats in Invisible Stalker and Geist of St. Traft seal the deal. I don't think Snapcaster Mage is holding all the strings. He's definitely the bow that wraps up the package, but he isn't on the same level as being the entire package as was BBE (no BBE, no Jund dominating, period) and Jace/SFM (an all-time standard deck).
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broiler1977
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posted January 25, 2012 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by thror:
Bannings are NOT good for the game. It means wotc screwed up somewhere bigtime. We went 7 years without a banning in standard, from Affinity to Cawblade. Where do people get this crap.
You need bannings, because R&D aren't going to get everything right. The tool gives more than one deck idea the chance at being competitive. As time goes by and they try to develop new deck engines, mistakingly making one to powerful in inevitable. What fun is a tournament of all the same decks? Just copy the idea, gather the cards and see if you get lucky. It ruins deckbuilding
[Edited 1 times, lastly by broiler1977 on January 25, 2012]
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coasterdude84
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posted January 25, 2012 02:44 PM
I don't think thror has a problem with the concept of Wizards being able to ban cards. It's more that when they need to ban something it indicates a mistake was made and a problem card exists. It means the format is somehow warped in such a way that no card in the next upcoming sets will keep the problem in check. On the other side of the coin, however, I think they tend to be a little too quick and loose with the banhammer, at least for Legacy.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by coasterdude84 on January 25, 2012]
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I3Iood
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posted January 25, 2012 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by thror:
Bannings are NOT good for the game. It means wotc screwed up somewhere bigtime.
The ability to ban cards allows wizards to take chances in design. The "screwup" is because no one is perfect. I would hate for wizards to catch everything and just design the decks for you. To me, I would rather have wizards take chances and design cards good enough to be banned rather then they design all garbage cards that do not do anything.
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Phyrexian Angel
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posted January 25, 2012 04:05 PM
You have to understand why a card is banned before keep asking "is xxx card going to be banned"
Usually, a card banned in standard because it makes every deck has to play it (JaceTMS) or makes a certain deck become the only option in the environment since it beats every other deck (SFM+Jace).
Delver is strong but we don't know if it is going to dominate. If it does, then we will see some cards going to be banned.
Also, we don't know the impact on DKA yet. It may change the format and gives the format more varieties.
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Speed Demon
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posted January 25, 2012 06:35 PM
In all seriousness, I would ban Delver of Secrets long before I would ban Snapcaster mage.
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chapman24
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posted January 25, 2012 09:09 PM
They need to ban Delver in Standard, its just like wild nacatal in modern, there are no answers for a 3 power creature....or maybe people could play one of the 15 to 20 removal spells in the format....
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-Lunch_Box-
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posted January 26, 2012 09:04 AM
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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
In all seriousness, I would ban Delver of Secrets long before I would ban Snapcaster mage.
The problem card is actually Moorland Haunt.
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choco man
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posted January 26, 2012 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by -Lunch_Box-:
The problem card is actually Moorland Haunt.
The problem card is that there are no other problem cards in other colors.
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Bugger
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posted January 26, 2012 09:44 AM
I would be sorely disappointed in Wizards if they banned Snapcaster, because it doesn't need banning. Comparisons to JtMS seem lopsided at best. Jace was a repeated Unsummon, a repeated Brainstorm, and a ticking time bomb wincon, all at once and for nothing beyond an initial investment of four mana. Furthermore, he existed in a format with practically no answers (and virtually no playable ones), and could further protect himself and maintain a stable board by screwing the most fundamental equalizing variable in the game: your topdecks. Against all that, Snapcaster is 'merely' a second use out of the best spell you've drawn so far, plus a 2/1. That's fantastic, don't get me wrong, but it's nowhere near Jace's level.If we accept that JtMS is the measurement against which all potential standard bannings will be judged (as Ravager was before him), Snapcaster comes up short. __________________
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broiler1977
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posted January 26, 2012 11:33 AM
I'm sorry about the title of the post. I was just wondering because I saw a playset for sale that was way under what I thought they were worth and wanted to make sure.
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B14ckM4g3
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posted January 26, 2012 02:21 PM
simple answer: No. No explanation is needed. He won't be banned. Simple as that.
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Havoc Demon
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posted January 26, 2012 02:46 PM
I would like to see how the meta changes before swinging the hammer. They did just print a very open-ended sideboard option which may or may not slow Snapcaster down a bit. __________________
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