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Topic: What is the deal with point based traders?
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keywacat
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posted October 16, 2012 05:01 AM
        
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Originally posted by Jtrade77:
I actually prefer point based lists when trading because it means when the points are equal on both sides, my offer is much less likely to be rejected. One of the big reasons I got turned off to trading in the first place is I'd make about 10 offers of even trades, and get *maybe* one deal on a good day.
My policy on my points-list is if the points match, the trade is accepted. The only exception would be for multiple parties making an offer on a limited stock, then the first offer takes precedence. I made the the list because I like trading, not so much online offering / negotiating, and want to keep things moving without pumping cash my trade stock every month. The fact that I still pump cash into it every month is beside the point... 
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Bagbokk
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posted October 16, 2012 06:31 AM
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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Values are not everything. Yes, I may want 10 different $3 card, but I'm sure not as hell trading my hot $20 card for all 10 of them UNLESS I actually need most of them for a deck/cube/whatever. A lot of times, my small wants are in case I may want to play them in the future, so I don't mind waiting 2-3 months to trade other small cards for them.
Well, and I think this is EXACTLY why point-based trading is good in some cases--because some of them will make exactly this kind of trade while most people wouldn't.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Bagbokk on October 16, 2012]
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AGO
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posted October 16, 2012 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by keywacat:
My policy on my points-list is if the points match, the trade is accepted. The only exception would be for multiple parties making an offer on a limited stock, then the first offer takes precedence. I made the the list because I like trading, not so much online offering / negotiating, and want to keep things moving without pumping cash my trade stock every month. The fact that I still pump cash into it every month is beside the point...
Of course you wouldn't turn down a trade. Off your list my 2x Exploration = your 8th Bribery
My Cradle is 100 points short of a Taiga!
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wayne
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posted October 16, 2012 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by AGO:
Of course you wouldn't turn down a trade. Off your list my 2x Exploration = your 8th Bribery
My Cradle is 100 points short of a Taiga!
Pffft, a Gaea's Cradle only produces one type of mana, Taiga produces TWO types of mana!
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Lord Crovax
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posted October 16, 2012 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by AGO:
Of course you wouldn't turn down a trade. Off your list my 2x Exploration = your 8th Bribery
My Cradle is 100 points short of a Taiga!
Those are not even the worst examples.....he has some 10$ cards on his Haves pointed the same as 50$ cards on his wants... Good example of a attempted store going to far... __________________
I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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mcelraca
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posted October 17, 2012 09:31 AM
My problem with the point based trading is this:When/if I'm trading down for something it
A. Better be something I really want
B. Better be something I really need NOW! as a result I usually only trade down in person. Trading on the internet does not really provide the immediacy i need to trade down so greatly. And you can find any card on here, it is just a matter of paying price/being patient. The point based systems are always frustrating when you compare the have/want points so it ends up saving me the time and not looking.
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Lord Crovax
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posted October 17, 2012 06:26 PM
Lets see how badly my list gets flamed..lolHopefully people will be nice and/or List is balanced, like I want it to be.. __________________
I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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studderingdave
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posted October 18, 2012 08:45 AM
I did a deal in a point based system for the first time last week and I enjoyed it. Like some one else said on this thread, I could dump a some stuff I have no use for for something I do need.
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gaeacradle
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posted October 18, 2012 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Lets see how badly my list gets flamed..lolHopefully people will be nice and/or List is balanced, like I want it to be..
Not the worst list I have seen, so that's good . That being said, you will probably have a hard time trading up for the cards you want without giving them more points. For instance, there is no way I'm trading the FOIL Crucible for 4 Innistrad lands.
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Lord Crovax
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posted October 18, 2012 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Not the worst list I have seen, so that's good. That being said, you will probably have a hard time trading up for the cards you want without giving them more points. For instance, there is no way I'm trading the FOIL Crucible for 4 Innistrad lands.
Yay for 1st drafts.... Worst part of point based lists, something no one mentioned...making one and getting all the points right :P __________________
I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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keywacat
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posted October 18, 2012 02:37 PM
Might I get some constructive criticism on mine as well?
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Lord Crovax
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posted October 18, 2012 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by keywacat:
Might I get some constructive criticism on mine as well?
Uh Oh, look what I started :P __________________
I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
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gaeacradle
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posted October 18, 2012 02:52 PM
In my opinion, point list only works in 2 situations:
1) Low-end stuff for low-end stuff
2) Bunch of low-end stuff for high-end stuff, with the person making the point list as the person with the high-end stuff. Can also work for T2 cards to decent Modern/Legacy staples.The first situation is simple. Just an old fashion trade. The second situation is similar to selling to retailers for store credit and trade them into bigger cards, but you should be able to get a bit better deal with other traders. If you are trying to trade up using point list, good luck. Most people that have all these high-end stuff will generally have what you are offering, or don't need them. You need to offer ridiculous percentages for people to see a reason (aka profit) in trading down with you. In that case, you may as well:
1) Look at other point list to see if you can get high-end stuff for your low end stuff
2) Sell your stuff and scour Ebay for cheaper copies of the high-end stuff you want
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keywacat
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posted October 20, 2012 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Those are not even the worst examples.....he has some 10$ cards on his Haves pointed the same as 50$ cards on his wants...Good example of a attempted store going to far...
Part of the reason for that is I don't want those particular cards very much, but will take them in if offered well in my favor. You'd do the same for cards you don't want but believe you could sell / trade after waiting and waiting to find the right buyer, yeah?
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timmerman121
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posted October 20, 2012 10:59 AM
I have made a few trades here on based on points lists. I have enjoyed them as I was able to trade for what i could not find locally as there is really no market here. But there are some pretty shady lists out there. My personal favorite of the points lists would have to be FilipCec's list. I get really turned off of points lists when i can trade into SCG and get more value.Crovax: your list isn't horrible but is still pretty weighted in your favor like gaea said wanting to trade up. Ex: my foil doubling season for your promo gravecrawler and 5 pts. Keywa: you state that u don't want the cards that much that you will take for a good deal. your list is prob one of the most outrageous out there. Ex: my foil weathered wayfarer 9th and 20 pts for your ftv: masticore Not trying to be rude just helpful as i really enjoy points lists and you do have cards that i would like to trade for but not 700% in your favor and i am lowballing. That is why points lists are viewed negatively right there.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by timmerman121 on October 20, 2012]
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