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Topic: SCG Premium
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stu55
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posted December 03, 2012 08:57 AM
      
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Originally posted by Thanos:
No comments on the latest steaming pile?I'm shocked.
We don't want to offend Zeckk and his superhuman ability to do read things and not know that it is crap
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gaeacradle
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posted December 03, 2012 09:54 AM
 
I think my main benefit is NOT to read to know what these writers think, but to know what the other people that are reading these articles think. And then exploit that to my advantage .
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MagicPatty
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posted December 03, 2012 12:18 PM
hehe, Stu's flustered...You both make a point... Stu's saying that reading about favorable trading doesn't mean that you can execute, Zeckk is saying that it helps. No need to scratch and claw to prove that only your way is right and that not only the other way, but the person advocating it, is stupid. Jeez Stu, all this after that wreckin' hug we shared... that's right, Stu's a good hugger. __________________
Starting the bulk rare collection all over! Send them my way!
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stu55
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posted December 03, 2012 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by MagicPatty:
hehe, Stu's flustered...You both make a point... Stu's saying that reading about favorable trading doesn't mean that you can execute, Zeckk is saying that it helps. No need to scratch and claw to prove that only your way is right and that not only the other way, but the person advocating it, is stupid. Jeez Stu, all this after that wreckin' hug we shared... that's right, Stu's a good hugger.
Have you met me? Its one of my perks actually! I wasn't advocating not reading things, I am advocating that what we are reading is A)poor and B) no amount of reading will make up for actually doing stuff on your own Also, I have seen many wannabes come and go around here on MOTL to know that the audience he caters to, gets big dreams, and then in how ever many weeks realize they can't do it and get turned off from either the game or trading in general
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Zeckk
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posted December 03, 2012 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by stu55:
We don't want to offend Zeckk and his superhuman ability to do read things and not know that it is crap
http://www.englishgrammar.org/ Maybe people wouldn't mis-read your posts if you were actually coherent. It's not superhuman to use critical thinking skills, especially when reading trading/financial articles. Try it sometime... preferably before you hit the submit reply button again.
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Zeckk
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posted December 03, 2012 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
I think my main benefit is NOT to read to know what these writers think, but to know what the other people that are reading these articles think. And then exploit that to my advantage.
That may be true today, but this counter-intuitive speculative trading strategy simply did not exist in the mainstream before guys like Jon Medina started writing about card velocity, staple hoarding, etc.
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hilikuS
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posted December 03, 2012 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
I think my main benefit is NOT to read to know what these writers think, but to know what the other people that are reading these articles think. And then exploit that to my advantage.
We have a winner!
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ermabwed
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posted December 03, 2012 06:01 PM
So the cost of the actual financial articles those two are complaining about so bitterly is literally less than fifteen cents a month (dividing the fee by the number of articles published). There's lots of other great content on there. Even if all I got was Flores' stories of the glory days, I would still subscribe.I'll say again, Starcity Premium is the best money you'll spend on Magic.
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MAB_Rapper
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posted December 03, 2012 07:10 PM
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Originally posted by ermabwed:
Even if all I got was Flores' stories of the glory days, I would still subscribe.
Now that would be a waste of money. Flores is by far the biggest piece of **** to write articles, getting by without ever having a single accomplishment. __________________
My 2008 Nationals The Official Tower Magic Facebook Page hilikuS: Also, as much as MAB's list has become the list on the T/A Forum, I do miss Slinga's.
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gaeacradle
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posted December 03, 2012 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by Zeckk:
That may be true today, but this counter-intuitive speculative trading strategy simply did not exist in the mainstream before guys like Jon Medina started writing about card velocity, staple hoarding, etc.
Can you expand more on this counter-intuitive trading strategy? I'm not sure I am following you on this. Also, my comment applies to PLAYING as well, since a lot of people just take this list and play it without any testing whatsoever.
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skizzikmonger
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posted December 03, 2012 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by ermabwed:
I'll say again, Starcity Premium is the best money you'll spend on Magic.
I thought buying Magic cards and/or boosters was the best money you could spend on MTG
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Zeckk
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posted December 03, 2012 08:28 PM
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Originally posted by gaeacradle:
Can you expand more on this counter-intuitive trading strategy? I'm not sure I am following you on this.Also, my comment applies to PLAYING as well, since a lot of people just take this list and play it without any testing whatsoever.
I'm terms of speculative trading - never trading for cards at their peak if you can avoid it, i.e. thragtusk or craterhoof at their current prices. If you absolutely need them for a deck, so be it, but the idea is that you should be actively looking for cards with a high power potential but seeing relatively little play. One of the best generic pieces of financial advice I ever read about trading was to pay attention to powerhouse cards in the block format, because those invariably end up becoming staples in standard at some point. Both PVDDR and Chapin alluded to it, but I've seen it repeated in a ton of other articles. Essentially, most of the trades you make should be focused on the value of the card a few weeks or months into the future, especially for standard. That's the idea of value trading in a nutshell. Pure value trading has you constantly trading away high-demand staples for under-valued and under-played stuff, which is the opposite of the trading practices of most casual and semi-competitive players. Nothing is a hard and fast rule, and I'm no stranger to making trades for cards at peak value when I need them for a deck. But don't think I'm not wincing when I have to trade for a thragtusk or innistrad lands in order to complete a current standard list.
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stu55
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posted December 04, 2012 05:05 AM
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Originally posted by Zeckk:
http://www.englishgrammar.org/Maybe people wouldn't mis-read your posts if you were actually coherent. It's not superhuman to use critical thinking skills, especially when reading trading/financial articles. Try it sometime... preferably before you hit the submit reply button again.
I wrote that that way to show you make fun of trying to be a high intellect than the rest of us. So glad you are here to save us all. And for the record, I still think you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to trading or understanding how to predict value. All you know is what you read, and I have read all of the same things you have, and trust me, it is all crap. The idea that some one should mostly avoid trading for high staples cards is pointless and stupid, you need these cards to let ppl know you have all of the cards, all of the time. This way they come to you first and you have an image that people are attracted to.
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keywacat
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posted December 04, 2012 05:16 AM
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Originally posted by ermabwed:
I'll say again, Starcity Premium is the best money you'll spend on Magic.
No, buying four Tarmogoyfs two years ago for $100 was the best money I've ever spent on Magic. Doubt I'll ever top that. 
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gaeacradle
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posted December 04, 2012 05:44 AM
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Originally posted by stu55:
And for the record, I still think you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to trading or understanding how to predict value. All you know is what you read, and I have read all of the same things you have, and trust me, it is all crap.The idea that some one should mostly avoid trading for high staples cards is pointless and stupid, you need these cards to let ppl know you have all of the cards, all of the time. This way they come to you first and you have an image that people are attracted to.
Not to mention that by having all the cards, you essentially hedged yourself from Standard price fluctuations. This is what I do all the time with Standard.
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ermabwed
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posted December 04, 2012 06:28 AM
This thread makes me sad.
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hilikuS
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posted December 04, 2012 10:49 AM
I think the problem with the articles is people read these first and try to apply them to the situation. It should be the other way around. Experience the situation, and then advice might actually help you.Don't expect to mimic this guy who writes words, and get the same results, especially without understanding WHY it all works. I'm not saying you personally Zeckk are that guy, but I've seen way too many people fall into that sort of thinking, and IMO it's a mistake. When these guys open their playbooks, by all means take notes... but you can't imagine they're going to give the good secrets to you for free, or even for a nominal fee. The best advice you can find is that good advice is far more valuable than that. Every so often you see somebody go "I wanna start a store, how do I do it?", or something of that nature. The ones who've already been there and taken the beatings, and learned, they tell em to "**** off." more or less. I'm not saying I know something or whatever either. I just know that there's a lot to it, and the things I need to know are obtained by learning, not purchased.
[Edited 4 times, lastly by hilikuS on December 04, 2012]
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stu55
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posted December 10, 2012 09:38 AM
Somebody want to defend today's A+ article?
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Thanos
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posted December 10, 2012 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by stu55:
Somebody want to defend today's A+ article?
I couldn't even get through reading it honestly, I just stopped after the first paragraph.
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paris
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posted December 10, 2012 10:04 AM
The latest Chas article I took a look at it and thought "whoa this is super long" and skimmed through the first sentences of each paragraph until I got to the end. In the comments section people were talking about how good the article was though, so I went back and read one of the sections in the middle, and then went through and read the whole thing from front to end. I think it was quite good, and worth the time to read. It made me start thinking about why card counterfeiting isn't a larger problem in today's magic collecting environment.Being someone who data mines vast quantities of text for a living, it also made me think a little bit more about what kind of technologies would be needed to write the program to predict card prices for unreleased sets. Beyond basic signals like rarity, color, cast cost, etc., the system might also need some way to analyze the synergies between each card and each other card it could interact with. For example, Chronic Flooding and Rest in Peace by themselves might might suck, but with the right other cards in the environment, they could be good. Automatically analyzing card interactions like this quickly gets messy though (because if you can get this to work, then you might as well have an AI program build you the perfect deck too), so maybe it'd be better to start with something simpler like just analyzing cards that you already have some historical pricing data to work with (as opposed to unreleased sets), and build models off the pricing trends.
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