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Originally posted by studderingdave:
i would get your facts straight with the gun chatter, since every state is different. Up here in Pennsylvania we can conceal carry (with permit) or open carry (Without a permit as long as you can buy a gun). We can shoot in defense as per the castle doctrine we have the right to defend ourselves even when outside of our homes.

This news does not surprise me, CL has always been odd to me.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Packing heat is stupid. What, are you actually going to shoot somebody? Hope you enjoy your murder trial. Even if you get off you're still in the courts for years.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
Yes. Many states (FL included) allow you to fire first if you feel your life is threatened. When the whole Jen Cheng thing escalated, I carried for a little while.

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Originally posted by nailbunny7:
Eh, I'm honestly happier living in canada. No one I know even owns a gun.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
Yes. Many states (FL included) allow you to fire first if you feel your life is threatened. When the whole Jen Cheng thing escalated, I carried for a little while.

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Originally posted by Abinks:
I assume you mean handgun, last time I was in Canada everyone I met had at least 1 rifle to hunt with

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Originally posted by Thanos:
It's funny though, he quotes 80's cartoons and such but we're nerds...wouldn't that make him cut from the same cloth as us pretty much?

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Originally posted by southparker2002:
yes pretty much, and he is obsessed with the simpsons. DORK!

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Originally posted by stab107:
I think you are confusing Canada with Texas.

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Most househoulds in rural Canada own at least one rifle or shotgun, hunting is a major past time in the Atlantic Provinces & Ontario (I can't speak for the West Coast or the Great Plains). Few people in the major cities own weapons however, so if you weren't out in the country, you probably wouldn't see a gun unless it was on a police officer.

Keep in my mind in Canada it's illegal to have a weapon loaded in your own home & and it has to be locked away properly. Therefor Castle doctrine doesn't apply because if you shot at someone attempting to break into your house you would be in violation of the law. We also don't have property rights enshrined in our constitution like you have the the USA, basically we're not entitled to protect the fruits of our labour with deadly force.

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Originally posted by airwalk:
Oh geez Volc, can you at least try and conceal your envy of an American Citizens right to carry a weapon?

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
Yes but the burden of proof is on you to prove that your life was threatened which can be very difficult. Look at the Trevon Martin case, that was FL and they didn't just take his word for it that his life was threatened, he is on trial for murder and must prove that his life in fact was threatened, and since Trevon didn't have a gun makes that even more difficult.Note: I don't know what really happened there nor am I making a judgment one way or the other just pointing out the fact that that law isn't just fire and say my life was threatened, you need to be able to prove that your life in fact was threatened if you take a life.

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Originally posted by JensK:
I think very few non-americans envy you for that

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Yeah, I don't think "envy" is the right word. I've written enough about the idiocy of allowing people to buy guns (pro tip: "But the criminals will get them anyway! Waaah Waaah" is not a valid argument), that there's no reason to rehash anything here. Say you kill somebody in ""self defence"". You get off because your state legislature thinks they live in a Clint Eastwood movie. You still know you're a murderer even if you don't get punished for it.

Also, gun murder statistics.

Anyway, the moral of the story is don't invite balding fat murderers into your house to play magic.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Yeah, I don't think "envy" is the right word. I've written enough about the idiocy of allowing people to buy guns (pro tip: "But the criminals will get them anyway! Waaah Waaah" is not a valid argument), that there's no reason to rehash anything here. Say you kill somebody in ""self defence"". You get off because your state legislature thinks they live in a Clint Eastwood movie. You still know you're a murderer even if you don't get punished for it.

Also, gun murder statistics.

Anyway, the moral of the story is don't invite balding fat murderers into your house to play magic.

But I can still invite the CEO of Yum! Brands! And we can eat KFC by the bucket!

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Not every legal gun transaction leads to gun crime. Not every Craigslist transaction leads to crime. Not even close.

Lethal self-defense is a legal in the US and Canada.

Being fat or balding has nothing to do with anything about this topic at all. That's just a stereotype Volc is trying to enforce.

It's very sad that when someone gets murdered. The moral of the story is be careful.

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Originally posted by bushe:
In all fairness they did take him at his word until the family started appearing on every news show talking about how it was murder and their son was saintly. Well, that, and they found out that zimmerman was mexican instead of white.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Yeah, I don't think "envy" is the right word. I've written enough about the idiocy of allowing people to buy guns (pro tip: "But the criminals will get them anyway! Waaah Waaah" is not a valid argument), that there's no reason to rehash anything here. Say you kill somebody in ""self defence"". You get off because your state legislature thinks they live in a Clint Eastwood movie. You still know you're a murderer even if you don't get punished for it.

Also, gun murder statistics.

Anyway, the moral of the story is don't invite balding fat murderers into your house to play magic.

But I can still invite the CEO of Yum! Brands! And we can eat KFC by the bucket!

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Cool story bro. If I get off for killing somebody that broke into my house, threatened my property or family and I'm a "murderer" you have some very flawed vision of society. Indeed inviting strange people into your house is not at the top of my to do list, but clearing my house of uninvited people is.

If you think killing is bad, good for you, you are in the vast majority of humans. For somebody to die invading one's home, somebody has to break into the home first. If a man/woman can't protect his property and family, why aren't you out pillaging like a Viking?

Yes, it's sad loss of life happens. Even if I had to drop somebody in my house, it would certainly weigh in on me. But at some point we have to acknowledge that they broke in first, and an altercation was going to happen. Not allowing people to protect their property only enables and empowers burglars. I mean, if you a criminal looking to make cash, you try to avoid the place where people are home. Even more so you avoid the places with dogs. If you know the residents are "gun-nuts" why would even go in there?

Clearly your perception of American Gun owners is flawed. Nobody is asking you reevaluate your position on Gun Control but don't you dare call somebody a murderer who defended their spouse, their property, their kids, and their freedom. If you try to make the argument getting a gun to protect yourself is a dumb idea I'll gladly agree with you, except to many it's a hobby. Kind of like owning a dog for having a pet, but it does double duty guarding your house.

Enclosed is the definition of murder for your benefit.

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: to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice
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: to slaughter wantonly : slay
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a : to put an end to