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Originally posted by Bugger:
I'd comment about how I hit a nerve if you weren't a total rhymes with runt to everyone on this site anyways.

What does everyone think about the loss of enemy checklands post rotation? Will the hit in fixing do enough to discourage 3-color wedge decks like BUG or UWR? (I mean UWR'll be losing bonfire and Geist as well, so that archetypes collapse probs won't just be due to lands...)

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Sorry to disappoint you pooh-bear, but you don't really have credibility with me. You seem too...what's the word, wallpaper. Yes you are there and yes, you post stuff, but none of it has really impact, kinda like the question you just posted above. But since I am a nice guy, I will answer it for you:

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Originally posted by 2austin5:
Bugger and Marlo, please don't troll from another thread into mine. If you want to troll each other then PM each other, I just want to keep this as a healthy discussion for predictions, whether they are right or wrong doesn't matter, its just to see what people think, Thank you.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
What does everyone think about the loss of enemy checklands post rotation? Will the hit in fixing do enough to discourage 3-color wedge decks like BUG or UWR? (I mean UWR'll be losing bonfire and Geist as well, so that archetypes collapse probs won't just be due to lands...)

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I'm not so sure they won't reprint them in M14. If they don't reprint them, I don't think the enemy wedges will take too much of a hit because the decks will still be able to run 12 shocks and gates (not great but there if they're needed).

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Originally posted by marlo213:
Why mizzium mortar? seems hard for it to go up with reckoners around

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
Mortars is also seeing play now with Reckoner legal, so why wouldn't its level of play at least stay the same once Bonfire rotates?

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Originally posted by marlo213:
Never thought about it like that, I tip my hat. I will pick up a playset or two myself.

Any thought on Jace, architect? I think he's terrible but a 4 mana blue planeswalker seems very cheap at 8 with over 1.5 yrs to go

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
I've picked up a playset, but no more than that right now. Hellrider, Resto Angel, and Geist are the 2 big reasons why he isn't seeing play, but that Jund aggro deck could keep him from seeing play post-rotation as well.

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Originally posted by 2austin5:
Im torn on the new Niv. I like that he fits the bomb slot but there really isn't too much going on with red blue that would utilize him to his full extent. Im kind of on that same page with the new Gideon though and also Aurelia's fury. I feel like all these cards have potential but its just a matter of will they be used to their potential

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I think Niv can easily be a 10 dollar card but they seriously need to print some better R/U cards to rivel not running white for sphinx revelation, so I am not so sure. But I think gideon is worse than vraska and aurelia's fury will be bulk soon.

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Originally posted by stab107:
Which cards currently in Standard are seeing play in Modern/Legacy/Vintage? Trying to decide which sealed boxes to buy and sit on.

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Originally posted by yakusoku:
Shocklands
Deathrite Shaman
Snapcaster Mage
Restoration Angel
Abrupt Decay
Liliana of the Veil
Geist of Saint Traft

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Originally posted by marlo213:
I think Niv can easily be a 10 dollar card but they seriously need to print some better R/U cards to rivel not running white for sphinx revelation, so I am not so sure. But I think gideon is worse than vraska and aurelia's fury will be bulk soon.

There are two cards that I am seriously shocked that no one is playing, serra avenger and deadbridge goliath

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Originally posted by marlo213:
There are two cards that I am seriously shocked that no one is playing, serra avenger and deadbridge goliath

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Originally posted by Pail42:
I'm also a little confused about the lack of deadbride luvin' but I think the reason people aren't terribly excited by Serra Avenger isn't played is because a 3/3 flyer on turn 4 isn't that exciting in a world with Vampire Nighthawk on turn three or a Grave Betrayal on turn 4. If Armageddon was still around Serra Avenger would probably be really expensive.

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Grave Betrayal? I think you're mistaken

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
problem with avenger is against the fast aggro decks if it's in your opening hand you can't play it when you need it for the early onslaught for defense, and the agrro decks can already play creatures that get as big if not bigger than it by the time they can play it, the flying is nice but if I have to wait till turn 4 in white, I'd rather have restoration angel for an extra toughness and the ability to blink for value, I do like the Goliath and he has seen play in those B/G ooze decks that were around for a little while, so I think there is hope for him. See first time Avenger was around Standard was a slower format so she was more playable then.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
I'm also a little confused about the lack of deadbride luvin' but I think the reason people aren't terribly excited by Serra Avenger isn't played is because a 3/3 flyer on turn 4 isn't that exciting in a world with Vampire Nighthawk on turn three or a Grave Betrayal on turn 4. If Armageddon was still around Serra Avenger would probably be really expensive.

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Deadbridge is 5/5 for 4 and makes your topdeck mana dork not suck late game or makes random flyers huge too. I can see how serra avenger can be arkward but can't boros just drop 1 turn 4 and use removal with the other mana? And it's a much better topdeck later on as well, right?

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Originally posted by Link139232:
Grave Betrayal? I think you're mistaken

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Originally posted by stab107:

I am looking for a bit more to help me decide, especially uncommons. Are Sphinx's Rev, Boros Reckoner or Domri Rade seeing any Eternal play? I am not involved in any metas outside my kitchen table EDH and limited. Thanks!

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Lingering Souls, Burning Tree Emissary, Ghor-Clan Rampager are seeing play outside of Standard.

Sphinx's Revelation is seeing minimal play in Modern, often as a 1-of in some UWr decks. Not nearly enough to keep its price high the way that UWx decks in Standard run 3 or 4. Domri Rade is also seeing minimal play in some very heavy creature decks, as a 2-of.

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Originally posted by Link139232:
Grave Betrayal? I think you're mistaken

Domri Rade is seeing some modern play, but I disagree with Resto, I think that card is going to tank considerably.

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Originally posted by yakusoku:
Lingering Souls, Burning Tree Emissary, Ghor-Clan Rampager are seeing play outside of Standard.

Sphinx's Revelation is seeing minimal play in Modern, often as a 1-of in some UWr decks. Not nearly enough to keep its price high the way that UWx decks in Standard run 3 or 4. Domri Rade is also seeing minimal play in some very heavy creature decks, as a 2-of.

Older formats have such a bigger pool that it's hard for more than a few cards from any Standard set to have much of an impact. If you want to hold onto cards for value, you're much better off getting individual cards that will likely keep seeing play and hold their value for being a staple in Modern/Legacy, rather than boxes.

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Originally posted by marlo213:

Any thought on Jace, architect? I think he's terrible but a 4 mana blue planeswalker seems very cheap at 8 with over 1.5 yrs to go

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He's not terrible, it's just that you can get cracked for 7 on turn 2 pretty resonably in standard right now. It's all about aggro, I think none of us can/will deny that.

With the next rotation Jace 4.0 see's all of it's arch-nemesis cards leave. Aristocrat, Thundermaw, GOST, Resto Angel...all gone! The cards that J4 couldn't deal with, and cards control rips their hair out over, will all be gone.

Add in annoying cards like Flinthoof Boar, Lightning Mauler, Zealous Conscripts, and Champion of the Parish as well...all gone. That a LOT of aggro I just named, I'm sure there is more, too.

Aggro has made it supressive to run a good control list, let alone any planeswalker w cmc greater than 3. There is no telling what the format will do, but if it slows down just a bit for control to fully catchup, I'd expect a big resurgence from J4, and Gideon 2.0.

If you remember, the first big tourny with RTR legal was taken down by a U/W control list almost spearheaded with 4xJ4. If that happens again your $8 investment will quadruple overnight.

But like I just said....there is no telling what the format will do, we have to wait and see what comes in the next few sets. If the format slows down though...jump on these powerful walkers when they are cheap.

What's his play like in modern? All those aggro cards stick around, sure, but is he on the verge of seeing play or just waaaaaay out of consideration

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Holy crap, jace is only 8 bucks?!

What's his play like in modern? All those aggro cards stick around, sure, but is he on the verge of seeing play or just waaaaaay out of consideration

I'm frustratingly between jobs at the minute and my belt has never been tighter but if jace is only 32 a playset I'm strongly tempted to jump on that.

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1. Lotleth Troll: He's really low now, @ 1.75 on tcg low. I think he'll get to $5+ when ISD rotates out, maybe even more.

2. Vizkopa Confessor: Foil and foreign copies of this card will be worth quite a bit soon, especially if more players start picking up the Martyr of Sands combo.

3. Boros Charm: Amazing... Especially the foil versions which are ~$10.

4. Aurelia, the Warleader: Incredibly low right now @ $8 on tcg low.