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nderdog Moderator	posted August 16, 2013 08:20 AM Just saw a message on the local playgroup page that tonight they're doing a no-format, no-banned-list event. Granted, I have no desire to play with them and no time to build a deck, but it did start me thinking. What would I play? What would YOU play given that you can run virtually any deck that's ever been played (I'm assuming that the 4-of rule is in effect, so no Plague Rats.dec) or even ones that have never been built due to restrictions. Channel-Fireball? Affinity? Something no one has ever even tried? This is NOT 60-card-blind, so let's not get into the game of "this deck beats that deck head-to-head, so I win" but rather what would be the best or most fun deck with the (lack of) rules in a blind metagame? __________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here! All your Gruul Nodorogs are belong to me. Trade them to me, please! Report rules violations. Remember the Auctions Board!
Schwingzilla Member	posted August 16, 2013 08:23 AM Honestly, you'd probably just play a storm deck with 20 moxes, 4 Timetwisters, Force of Will and Pact of Negation. Then add redundancy.
Volcanon Member	posted August 16, 2013 08:23 AM Any one of a million busted combos, probably.
nderdog Moderator	posted August 16, 2013 08:51 AM quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: Any one of a million busted combos, probably. That's kind of the idea, to get people to think about and post said busted combos. __________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here! All your Gruul Nodorogs are belong to me. Trade them to me, please! Report rules violations. Remember the Auctions Board!
mcelraca Member	posted August 16, 2013 09:04 AM I haven't been deep into magic for very long, some affinity/metalcrafting with artifact lands could be fun. However one of the combos I've always wanted to play was Hulk/flash. I want to say I had read that hulk/flash was considered one of the best decks in magic existence. For my home brewing I would do something around dragonstorm. I put a deck together with currently legal cards for legacy, but it would only work 1/10 games at the most. But it was fun to drop all those dragons second turn.
junichi Moderator	posted August 16, 2013 09:09 AM Either Academy or Flash Hulk. That will teach them not to mess with the ban list ever again. __________________ (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ "The enemy has been destroyed, sir. So have the forest, the city, your palace, your dog . . ." —Keldon soldier
coasterdude84 Member	posted August 16, 2013 11:12 AM Academy was the first thing that came to my mind. But you also would have access to 4x of each piece of power. I think you could consistently deal infinite damage over infinite turns quite easily. Now, whether you find that fun or not is up to you. Personally, I'd run 4x Chaos Orb and Falling Star. Go back to the days of people taping cards to the wall.
walkerdog Member	posted August 16, 2013 11:50 AM Necrospike I think would be my deck.
WeedIan Member	posted August 16, 2013 01:26 PM I'd play a deck with 4x Balance for sure. __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 12000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario and Canada 9th in posts on MOTL 5th in Refs in Ontario Pushing to get to top 100 in MOTL Refs
thror Member	posted August 16, 2013 04:00 PM balance doesnt do anything. this is all going to be about killing them turn1. 4x fow 4x pact of negation 4x recall 4x ponder 4x timewalk 16x moxen (blue black red X) 4x lotus petal 4x lotus 4x academy 4x time vault 4x key 4x seal/demonic 4x vamp 1x banefire mash it into a pile, trim whatever you dont think you need to get it back to 60. probably some mana twinking needs to get done. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." <@Anusien> Pretty sure New Zealanders are the sheep shaggers <KIP_NZ> Anusien: I'm a kiwi and I've shagged a sheep <KIP_NZ> we kiwi's like our sheep
Dancam1 Member	posted August 16, 2013 04:08 PM quote: Originally posted by thror: balance doesnt do anything. this is all going to be about killing them turn1. 4x fow 4x pact of negation 4x recall 4x ponder 4x timewalk 16x moxen (blue black red X) 4x lotus petal 4x lotus 4x academy 4x time vault 4x key 4x seal/demonic 4x vamp 1x banefire mash it into a pile, trim whatever you dont think you need to get it back to 60. probably some mana twinking needs to get done. You forgot Hurkyl's Recall. That is the deck I'd play. I don't know if possible, but you have to get ancestral and time twister in. If you are playing one on one, that makes sense, but, if you are playing multi with no banned list, then it becomes more interesting. To me, playing multi would be more fun then one on one in this format... If this was multi, I'd probably add glacial chasm and some mass damage spell that can't be countered.
WeedIan Member	posted August 16, 2013 04:25 PM quote: Originally posted by thror: balance doesnt do anything. this is all going to be about killing them turn1. Sure it does it makes them so they have no hand. If everyone plays the turn 1 kill deck someone will have to play a different deck that disrupts them. __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 12000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario and Canada 9th in posts on MOTL 5th in Refs in Ontario Pushing to get to top 100 in MOTL Refs
Vegas10 Member	posted August 16, 2013 04:36 PM forget ancestral recall, I have contract from below, draw 7 for B, ante smante.
Dancam1 Member	posted August 16, 2013 04:49 PM quote: Originally posted by Vegas10: forget ancestral recall, I have contract from below, draw 7 for B, ante smante. Wow, so true, that is better. I remember when magic was played for ante, that was in all the decks. I also remember the black lotus vs dark ritual ante game I watched. Very tension packed (although remember Lotus wasn't the powerhouse back then, and moxes weren't even on anyone's radar, it was Shivan and force that were the money cards. But, still, the guy didn't want to lose a 15.00 rare for a .25 common...
thror Member	posted August 16, 2013 04:54 PM quote: Originally posted by nderdog: This is NOT 60-card-blind, so let's not get into the game of "this deck beats that deck head-to-head, so I win" __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." <@Anusien> Pretty sure New Zealanders are the sheep shaggers <KIP_NZ> Anusien: I'm a kiwi and I've shagged a sheep <KIP_NZ> we kiwi's like our sheep
mm1983 Member	posted August 16, 2013 07:11 PM I would go with Illusions/Donate combo in this type of format. This kind of build or simliar. 4 Illusions of Grandeur 4 Donate 4 Force of Will 4 Black Lotus 4 Mox Sapphire 4 Time Walk 4 Ancestral Recall 4 Brainstorm 4 Lotus Petal 4 Sol Ring 4 Island 4 Tolarian Academy 4 City of Traitors 4 Darksteel Citadel 4 Seat of the Synod
sys41o Member	posted August 16, 2013 10:50 PM I can't even imagine that this would be fun past the second or third round. More then likely that would only be one or two people in the tournament that would create powered combo. I think I would play some hoser deck that ran 4 FOW, 4 Misdirection, 4 Mindbreak Trap, etc. Just let them combo then unload all of your counter magic.
caquaa Member	posted August 17, 2013 02:25 AM quote: Originally posted by nderdog: Just saw a message on the local playgroup page that tonight they're doing a no-format, no-banned-list event. Granted, I have no desire to play with them and no time to build a deck, but it did start me thinking. What would I play? These sort of events are so bad. We had a store where the players wanted to play a vintage tournament so they could use their "old" cards. The owner let me know, told me I should come. I let him know I had a powered vintage deck (at the time) and he said I should show it off. I removed the duresses and added even more vintage goodness. No one that played against me know what was going on, they were just sort of bored. One person did ask if I was playing infect because they overheard a conversation about tinkering into a blightsteel, I of course told him I was. If I were doing this for some sort of tournament and had access to cards, I'm fairly sure it would be some academy/mana vault/crypt/sol ring based deck with memory jar and tinker. Not sure where it would go from there, but I recall the extended deck being fairly consistent turn 2-3 so some beyond vintage format version should be able to turn 1 consistently I'd hope.
daner Member	posted August 17, 2013 03:40 AM Well....you assume there is a 4x restriction limit...but if there isn't the best deck is like 22xBlack Lotus 38xAncestral Recall or something of that nature(can't remember the EXACT #'s). Goldfish Turn 1 win like 99.1% of the time I believe it was? But since you think you are going off a strict 4x and no other rules I'd suggest this fun little number.... 4xMox Jet 4xMox Sapphire 4xMox Ruby 4xMox Emerald 4xMox Pearl 4xBlack Lotus 4xTolarian Academy 4xAncestral Recall 4xDisciple of the Vault 4xArcbound Ravager 4xThoughtcast 4xContract from Below 4xForce of Will 4xTimetwister 3xYawgmoth's Will 1xFling something like that^^ would be a HELL of a lot of fun to play! [Edited 1 times, lastly by daner on August 17, 2013]
Sovarius Member	posted August 17, 2013 09:50 AM New legend rule is sweet in this format. But yea, 4x each banned card from alpha and urza's, honestly. Plus Tendrils of Agony __________________ Want Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief, and other vampire females oddities (foreign foil crimp miscut misprint sign testprint alters etc) My Saleslist Wants
Dancam1 Member	posted August 17, 2013 10:30 AM quote: Originally posted by daner: Well....you assume there is a 4x restriction limit...but if there isn't the best deck is like 22xBlack Lotus 38xAncestral Recall or something of that nature(can't remember the EXACT #'s). Goldfish Turn 1 win like 99.1% of the time I believe it was? But since you think you are going off a strict 4x and no other rules I'd suggest this fun little number.... 4xMox Jet 4xMox Sapphire 4xMox Ruby 4xMox Emerald 4xMox Pearl 4xBlack Lotus 4xTolarian Academy 4xAncestral Recall 4xDisciple of the Vault 4xArcbound Ravager 4xThoughtcast 4xContract from Below 4xForce of Will 4xTimetwister 3xYawgmoth's Will 1xFling something like that^^ would be a HELL of a lot of fun to play! It would be fun FOR YOU to play, not fun for anyone else. If someone is gonna run a degenerate event like that, I'd love to see a multiplayer event b/c these one turn kill decks wouldn't be good. Although, this deck would be able to clear a 10 or 12 person group. I'd love to see this in multi.
KIP_NZ Member	posted August 17, 2013 01:10 PM quote: Originally posted by daner: Well....you assume there is a 4x restriction limit...but if there isn't the best deck is like 22xBlack Lotus 38xAncestral Recall or something of that nature(can't remember the EXACT #'s). Goldfish Turn 1 win like 99.1% of the time I believe it was? The rules was 40 cards in those days & the deck that was built was 20 black lotus, 19 time twister and 1 fireball. It was decks like that that lead to Time Twisters like this.... http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jttimone/MTG/P9_front.jpg

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