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AGO Member	posted April 13, 2014 04:30 PM I do believe the Ultra Pros are longer. My current KMC fit perfect.
KIP_NZ Member	posted April 13, 2014 05:19 PM quote: Originally posted by caquaa: isnt this a benefit when trying to fit them inside another sleeve and and the deck be a more manageable size? I've used both. One of them I've had issues with being too long, but unfortunately I don't know which it was because they were only in the clear packaging by time I went to use them. The ultra pro perfect fits will fit nicely inside ultra pro sleeves, where I had issues with the KMC fitting. If you use dragon shields, it doesn't matter. Ultrapro's are not as tight a fit, if you use dragon shield sleeves the card inside an Ultrapro will actually slide out of the perfect fit when attempting to put it into the outer sleeve. KMC Perfect Fit for lyfe! I have every single card I play with in KMC perfect fits, it means when I build a deck it's just pull them all out of the build boxes & slap them into sleeves. This includes a bunch of basics and commons (I currently appear to have 13 Lotus Petal's currently sleeved in perfect fits in my build boxes). __________________ I only play eternal formats Former DCI Level 2 Judge (Retired) Current Grumpy old man Level 2 (Active)
paragondave Member	posted April 14, 2014 04:41 PM I'm ordering 2 cases of the KMC sleeves tomorrow. They say they will ship to me on the 18th. PM me if you want in. Dave [Edited 1 times, lastly by paragondave on April 15, 2014]
Sovarius Member	posted April 15, 2014 03:03 PM quote: Originally posted by AGO: I do believe the Ultra Pros are longer. My current KMC fit perfect. You meant the UP perfect fits, or the UP regular sleeves are longer? I have both Ultrapro perfect fits and KMC perfect fits. I much much prefer KMC all the way, but they are the longer ones for me. I have them in Ultrapro sleeves right now. Then again, you probably know that Ultrapro hasn't always had consistency in their sleeves.
jshields Member	posted April 18, 2014 03:11 PM Personally, I have found double sleeving to be more of a nuisance than anything else. While I personally do not have full sensation in my thumbs, index fingers, or middle fingers and find these hard to unsleeve, especially when I am placing cards back into inventory for sale. I often have noticed that even your average person tends to have more accidental bending or creasing of cards when they are taken out of their second sleeves for trading or sale (as a rule, I request owners of double sleeved cards remove both sleeves before we can do a trade to also check for fake cards). Beyond that, I just do not think the extra sleeves are worth the cost when I play with the moderately-slightly played cards I own, as I save the best condition cards in my binders for sale or trade.
hilikuS Member	posted April 22, 2014 06:56 AM Pshh, double sleeve? You guys are living in the past. I triple sleeve now. http://www.ultrapro.com/product_info.php?products_id=1865
psrex Member	posted April 22, 2014 07:14 AM quote: Originally posted by hilikuS: Pshh, double sleeve? You guys are living in the past. I triple sleeve now. http://www.ultrapro.com/product_info.php?products_id=1865 I love it -- a sleeve to protect your limited edition sleeves. Maybe I should triple sleeve and then play with my cards inside toploaders. Or I can seal the top of each toploader with tape to keep out any moisture and dirt. Or maybe I can find a way to way to seal the toploader and inject the airspace with nitrogen......
Scuderia88 Member	posted April 22, 2014 07:32 AM quote: Originally posted by hilikuS: Pshh, double sleeve? You guys are living in the past. I triple sleeve now. http://www.ultrapro.com/product_info.php?products_id=1865 Don't exaggerate guys. KMC Perfect Fits Sleeves and KMC Full Sized Sleeves are more than sufficient. That's the way I go with all my Jap Foils and it really works.
hilikuS Member	posted April 22, 2014 07:48 AM The over sleeves are pretty much a concession by Ultra Pro that any of their sleeves with pictures are crap. Worried about these sleeves chafing? They will. Protect them!
Scuderia88 Member	posted April 22, 2014 07:53 AM quote: Originally posted by hilikuS: The over sleeves are pretty much a concession by Ultra Pro that any of their sleeves with pictures are crap. Worried about these sleeves chafing? They will. Protect them! The other question is who buys Ultra Pro Sleeves by choice?
hilikuS Member	posted April 22, 2014 08:01 AM quote: Originally posted by Scuderia88: The other question is who buys Ultra Pro Sleeves by choice? Someone must, haha. I'll use a 50 pack of Matte for drafting purposes because they're cheap.
caquaa Member	posted April 22, 2014 08:34 AM quote: Originally posted by Scuderia88: The other question is who buys Ultra Pro Sleeves by choice? I love them, I just use plain color ones though. Any brand sleeves that have art on the back will tend to split apart eventually and are trash.
Sovarius Member	posted April 22, 2014 05:04 PM quote: Originally posted by Scuderia88: The other question is who buys Ultra Pro Sleeves by choice? I only use pro-mattes and I love them. Don't like dragon shield, km, or those max pro whatever's. The issue I have is occasionally size inconsistency but its easy to get around. Anything with art or gloss is ugly childish and crap.
JesusChristMD Member	posted April 22, 2014 06:35 PM Inked, with its new custom sleeves, recommends using those sleeve covers. Ridiculous. But the price they are charging for custom sleeves seems insane too. __________________ Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore"
coolio Member	posted April 22, 2014 06:47 PM quote: Originally posted by Sovarius: I only use pro-mattes and I love them. Don't like dragon shield, km, or those max pro whatever's. The issue I have is occasionally size inconsistency but its easy to get around. Anything with art or gloss is ugly childish and crap. ultra pro mattes have this problem.. color variation from batch to batch.. and yes, I've separated out my opp's deck in the middle of a gp.. that was not a pleasant experience for him.. you should try the hyper mattes.. they're awesome.. and I dont see myself using anything else in the near future © __________________ Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong. -Christopher Hitchens Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. -Seneca the Younger
chaos021 Member	posted April 22, 2014 09:11 PM quote: Originally posted by coolio: ultra pro mattes have this problem.. color variation from batch to batch.. and yes, I've separated out my opp's deck in the middle of a gp.. that was not a pleasant experience for him.. you should try the hyper mattes.. they're awesome.. and I dont see myself using anything else in the near future © Holy crap. I like the feel of the normal KMC matte sleeves, but not if this is a possibility. __________________ "Message to women worldwide: Girls....we're stupid. We don't like games. We don't know games. We can't read minds. Say it like you mean or STFU." -rockondon My Sale Thread
pgrieco Member	posted April 23, 2014 07:40 AM I have old Ultra Pro sleeves I like a lot, back when they were made by Rembrandt, and the holo symbol on the sleeve is aligned to the far left (got a few boxes back in the late 90s). Outside of that I can't say I have much experience with them, though, aside from the occasional one I get shipped to me in a trade. As for whether or not you should single or double sleeve your cards, there's a definitive answer to this question (assuming that the question is asked because you want to protect your cards from damage), and it's yes. Cards can get damaged in a single sleeve still. I have an Imperial Seal that was single sleeved and was absolutely mint before something got in the sleeve and did this to it (this was one specific incident, not general degradation from use). The vast majority of the time, single sleeves will probably be fine for you, and on the occasion that it's not it may damage a card that's of little to no value... but then there's the chance it'll mess up the most expensive card you own. Generally it's worth $3/deck to protect your cards from the same situation that happened to mine.
Sovarius Member	posted April 23, 2014 08:42 AM quote: Originally posted by coolio: you should try the hyper mattes.. they're awesome.. and I dont see myself using anything else in the near future Are they made by ultra pro?
JesusChristMD Member	posted April 23, 2014 02:25 PM KMC I think http://www.ebay.com/itm/x2-KMC-Hyper-Matte-MAT-BLACK-Sleeves-80ct-Fits-Standard-Size-MTG-Magic-Pokemon-/380890300938?pt=Trading_Card_Games_US&hash=item58aed4c20a __________________ Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore"
coolio Member	posted April 23, 2014 07:53 PM quote: Originally posted by Sovarius: Are they made by ultra pro?[/B] KMC, and infinitely better than anything ultra pro will ever put out © __________________ Since it is obviously inconceivable that all religions can be right, the most reasonable conclusion is that they are all wrong. -Christopher Hitchens Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. -Seneca the Younger
coasterdude84 Member	posted April 23, 2014 10:53 PM Pfft, you kids and your fancy sleeves. Go commando, and shuffle up those duals like a man. In all seriousness, coolio, do the hyper mats hold up better than the normal KMC matte sleeves? After about 5 FNMs, I can easily tell the difference from a new sleeve. It seems the surface wears smooth, giving it almost a polished look. The sleeve's integrity is still there, no rips or anything, but they are now theoretically marked. Do the hyper mats resist this better?
AGO Member	posted April 24, 2014 05:41 AM KMC Hyper matte is the only type of sleeve I will use. I have used every type of sleeve out there. I don't know why people rave about Dragon Shield. I have used them and they are sub par. Ultra Pro's are just cheap and the corners end up bending plus they have a size inconsistency. Picture sleeves are total junk and only usable for casual decks. They hyper mattes have a semi glossy back. They shuffle so damn easy. When I let people borrow decks they always complement me on how damn easy it is to shuffle. I bought a case of KMC Hyper Matte sleeves. Out of the 2400 sleeves only a few have split at the seam and they all match perfectly. Never having to sleeve a deck or resleeve when switching cards between decks has made my life that much easier.
AEther Storm Member	posted April 24, 2014 10:27 AM quote: Originally posted by psrex: I love it -- a sleeve to protect your limited edition sleeves. Maybe I should triple sleeve and then play with my cards inside toploaders. Or I can seal the top of each toploader with tape to keep out any moisture and dirt. Or maybe I can find a way to way to seal the toploader and inject the airspace with nitrogen...... Man I even sleeve myself when going to tourneys. Prevents aging you know. I believe someone said it already, I find it too much of a hassle to double sleeve. On top of that, I can't get the cards out of the smallest sleeve anyway without seriously molesting it. __________________ I'm a geek, you're a geek. Let's trade. Lord Flasheart: Enter the man who has no underwear. Ask me why. Lieutenant George: Why do you have no underwear, Lord Flash? Lord Flasheart: Because the pants haven't been built yet that'll take the job on!
Meddling Pimp Member	posted April 24, 2014 10:40 AM KMC Hyper Matte for sure. It's all I'll use now.
ardeay Member	posted April 24, 2014 11:34 AM KMC matte black with Tight Fits I tight fit the card upside down so the sleeve opening is at the bottom of the card, and the top is closed off. This method (if you're not already doing it) prevents any possible smudging or grim getting in. Then I slide it in to a sleeve, and work it a bit so the air comes out. Sometimes this takes a few entries. Once you get the hang of it, easy peasy. If you do not do this you will risk smudging of foils, I ruined a pack fresh snapcaster before I knew of this technique. Good luck!

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