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Topic: Post for Magic Stuff #89 - Planar Collapse
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coasterdude84 Member
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posted April 17, 2015 09:49 PM
I've been considering selling my collection for years, as I don't get to play nearly as much as I'd like, but everytime I get lazy and don't I end up glad I didn't, as the values just keep going up. Eventually, I need to dump and not look back. But I probably never will.
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thulnanth Member
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posted April 18, 2015 05:32 AM
Hey coasterdude84,LOL... I've had the same experience. When Moxes hit $25 each in early 1994 I figured getting out was the only smart move. I sold some stuff in 1995 but couldn't bring myself to part with everything. Same thing on multiple occasions over the years. I always figured I'd play again some day (and I do), so I should just hang on. One of the best financial decisions I ever made. Take it easy, Jared
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revenger Member
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posted April 18, 2015 08:06 PM
I keep telling myself I'm going to sell everything off, yet I still have my decks and loose cards and my fave artist Rob Alexander collection and despite not really playing much these days. Which always leads me to the thought; sell or keep. __________________ 30th in refs on Motl! #1 Ref's for Arizona! I offer 3rd party trading services. Email if interested. Your 2008, 2010 & 2012 Siskel & Ebert award winner! Your Motl runner-up in My Cousin Vinny & Rolling Stone Award!
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iccarus Member
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posted April 18, 2015 09:27 PM
I've been waffling on selling out for over five years, pretty much since our first kid arrived. I've purged a little here and there, but nothing I would regret letting go of.Despite updating my core EDH decks with each new set, I barely ever actually play with my built decks lately. I'm pretty sure nine of the last 10 or so time I've played have been a buddy's cube or FNM drafts. __________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air!I collect Granite Gargoyles. Send them my way.
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stab107 Member
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posted April 19, 2015 02:58 AM
Add me to the pile here as well. I get to play once a week at most and when we do play it is more likely to be draft than anything else. EDH is the fallback format for us now, supplemented with Archenemy or Planechase when the mood strikes. I used to maintain 10+ EDH decks.So I decided to purge my collection to 1 copy of everything, with the exception of lands. I still keep 4 copies of duals, fetches, shocks etc. I took apart all of my EDH decks and split the cards out to move. At first I wasn't sure how I would feel about it but with most of the stuff gone now I feel fantastic! Still a few cards to get to fill in holes but PucaTrade has been awesome for that. Now I have only one EDH deck that I am constantly working on and it is really fun when I get the chance to play it.
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oneofchaos Member
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posted April 19, 2015 11:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by coasterdude84: I've been considering selling my collection for years, as I don't get to play nearly as much as I'd like, but everytime I get lazy and don't I end up glad I didn't, as the values just keep going up. Eventually, I need to dump and not look back. But I probably never will.
Everything not on the reserved list has been going up and down for me, so I have no idea where I am in regards to how much everything is worth.
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LandDestroyer Member
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posted April 20, 2015 07:00 AM
I DID sell out in 2007. ~ ~ 'Flash back 8 years' ~ ~ Preparing for Grand Prix Columbus (Legacy). This is back before SCG Opens when you really only had 2 North American Legacy events that mattered per year - Gen Con's Championship and 1 the Grand Prix. I had my home brew, Roman Candles, I'd taken to Gencon in 2006 and if Roland Chang had ID'd with me in the finals I was a lock for top 8, but he had bad tiebreakers and wouldn't ID and beat me in 3 (on his way to win) so I got 12th. My deck was 80%+ against the tier 1 decks (at the time goblins, threshold, solidarity). I continued testing/refining my deck for a year. 2 weeks before the Legacy GP WOTC removes the power level errata from Flash and makes the Flash / Protean Hulk deck very real and breaks the format. My deck has 0 chance against that deck so I audible into 'Hanni fish' as it was called at the time (MoR, Serra Avenger, Jotun Grunt, etc). I start with 3 byes and end up 6-3, missing day 2, after losing 2 flash twice (it went on to win the entire GP and putting too many people in to day 2). I decided if, on a whim, the DCI was going to make a move like that - ruining 2 years of testing for all legacy players - and ruin a format just to go and ban the card a month later I was done with the game. If they'd waited 3 weeks to do it, then ban the card fine. But they ruined 1 of the only 2 events we really cared about as a legacy community in 2007. I was fed up and said I've got better things to do. I sold my collection to some guy in Singapore through motl (guy still owes me $150 more he never sent me). i had 4x of each dual in UNL, all the manabase for legacy/extended - standard stuff) etc etc. This is back when UNL und seas were like $40 cash :-| I sold out to make sure I never got back into the game. *cough*. For the next couple of years I would only show up at a prerelease once in a while. In 2009 some people tried to get me back into the game. I tested living end in extended. One day my buddy and I finished testing and said 'ok let's play tomorrow'. We didn't play again until 4 years later. ...4 years later. My buddy's 30th bday rolls around and I buy enough packs of RTR to do sealed deck. We play and I go man I miss this. I miss the road trips, I miss something competitive to do when it's too cold to play sports. I'd just been using DOTA fill that gap the past few years. I miss hanging out and playing. At first I decided to just rebuild foil versions of all my old PTQ Top 8 decks as casual decks that had meaning. Stupid cardboard crack. Now, 2 years later, I've amassed a collection worth about $40,000 again and regret getting back into it. I've spent less time at the gym, packed on a ton of weight that I'd lost when I quit magic. When I quit I got so much stuf done. Lost weight, got a certification I wanted, traveled to all 50 states, went out and had a ton of fun. It wouldn't surprise me if by 2017 I sold out again. Though, if you have the will power the best plan is to just quit playing...not sell out non-standard stuff..or at least keep your reserve list stuff. I wish I'd kept my lands. At least I kept my basics like foil unh lands. Seriously, I've got 5 UNL Underground Sea and 5 Revised Underground Sea now. I've got a freaking problem. Maybe I should temporarily come back out of hording mode and get rid of some stuff that is truly extra.
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coasterdude84 Member
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posted April 21, 2015 10:54 AM
quote: Originally posted by LandDestroyer: Stupid cardboard crack. Now, 2 years later, I've amassed a collection worth about $40,000 again and regret getting back into it. I've spent less time at the gym, packed on a ton of weight that I'd lost when I quit magic.
Interested in adding another $30k to your collection? You should buy more cards. It'll make you feel better.
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LandDestroyer Member
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posted April 21, 2015 11:05 AM
quote: Originally posted by coasterdude84: Interested in adding another $30k to your collection? You should buy more cards. It'll make you feel better.
Haha, not really. Honestly with the lack of support of modern, legacy, vintage I feel stupid having this much cardboard anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if I sold everything again by the end of 2017 and just use that money for something else. I mean this year I'm paying for my wedding/honeymoon, spending $20,000 renovating my house, paying off my car in the next 15 months and then moving. I mean, I COULD buy cards at the right price __________________
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Mr.C Member
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posted April 21, 2015 12:01 PM
I've been selling out since July 2011 or so. I'm down to the last few cards, finally. No regrets; it makes me nervous to have all this money around in cards.
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LandDestroyer Member
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posted April 21, 2015 12:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mr.C: I've been selling out since July 2011 or so. I'm down to the last few cards, finally. No regrets; it makes me nervous to have all this money around in cards.
I've been hearing more and more of that, especially since last year when stifle/misdirection/explore got reprinted in conspiracy and then the onslaught fetch lands were printed. A lot of us lost 4 figures there...and that's not from hording, that's just from having playsets in our decks. __________________
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MagicPatty Member
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posted April 21, 2015 02:07 PM
quote: Originally posted by Mr.C: it makes me nervous to have all this money around in cards.
this... I had my power and cool vintage-ness (library, juzam, bazaar, etc.) plus a full set of 40 duals hanging on my wall in the game room in really sweet 20 card picture frames; 4 frames on the wall. The problem was, it was like 15 grand screaming STEAL ME!!!! ...took them down
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iccarus Member
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posted April 22, 2015 12:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by MagicPatty: this...I had my power and cool vintage-ness (library, juzam, bazaar, etc.) plus a full set of 40 duals hanging on my wall in the game room in really sweet 20 card picture frames; 4 frames on the wall. The problem was, it was like 15 grand screaming STEAL ME!!!! ...took them down
I did something like that with some of my favorite ABU cards. I used the CE versions instead though, which saved me a fortune and made me worry less. __________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air!I collect Granite Gargoyles. Send them my way.
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majicman Member
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posted April 22, 2015 12:45 PM
I feel very similar to the rest of you. I have amassed a very large collection and rarely play these days. If I do, its usually cube and commander (my friend supplies both as I am lazy to build) and 2-3 times a year typically. I work on a cube when I am in the mood.The problem is having a good strategy to sell down. I have way too much and my laziness gets in the way, lol. I am selling complete sets around ebay price without using feebay, locally and that seems ok for those collectors out there. Hard to figure out prices of sets as SCG prices are unreasonable and Ebay doesn't sell many so not sure pricing is fair. But I want to get rid of 40-50K of cards by year end. I have been filtering down the remainder to bulk level for commons/UC/rares that are less than .40-.50 and then try to sell the saleable stuff in 4 x playsets. I don't want to leave a ton of profit on the table (I can take a 10-20% hit mind you for big items and more for the small stuff .50 to $15 level that seem saleable). I am also not 100% sure I want to let too much of the ABU era stuff as the prices seem to just go crazy. I don't have a lot. If you had 100,000 cards and a high percentage that are chafe, how would you approach it? Would like to get rid of 40-50k cards by year end as I am tired of moving boxes and sorting crap, lol.
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coasterdude84 Member
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posted April 22, 2015 01:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by majicman: The problem is having a good strategy to sell down. I have way too much and my laziness gets in the way, lol.
Exactly my problem. Glad I'm not the only one. I unloaded a good chunk of my stuff some years ago. Regret doing it when I look at prices now, but overall was probably the right thing to do. I figure I've got about $30k still left, and I'll certainly entertain any serious offers on it. quote: Originally posted by majicman: If you had 100,000 cards and a high percentage that are chafe, how would you approach it? Would like to get rid of 40-50k cards by year end as I am tired of moving boxes and sorting crap, lol.
I've wondered the same thing myself. I'm thinking I'll go through my boxes at some point, make sure I don't have any Wastelands or something in there, and probably just give it away to someone that will appreciate it. Though, my local shop does something pretty cool. They donate all their chafe to some of the local schools for after school programs. Kinda brilliant actually. 1)Gets rid of it, 2)small tax write-off, 3)doesn't go to waste, 4)hooks area kids on the cardboard crack!
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Michael French Member
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posted April 22, 2015 05:17 PM
quote:
If you had 100,000 cards and a high percentage that are chafe, how would you approach it? Would like to get rid of 40-50k cards by year end as I am tired of moving boxes and sorting crap, lol.
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Michael French Member
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posted April 22, 2015 05:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by Magicman: If you had 100,000 cards and a high percentage that are chafe, how would you approach it? Would like to get rid of 40-50k cards by year end as I am tired of moving boxes and sorting crap, lol.
Check out Puca, small stuff is very easy to move at retail prices, minus a stamp. Some people are buying Puca points at 80% or you could trade for reserve list cards.
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gaeacradle Member
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posted April 22, 2015 08:03 PM
I'm in the same boat as many of you are. I kept a very meticulous record about how much I spent since I got back into the game. I accounted for everything from cost of buying cards, postage, mailing supplies, tournament fees to insurance, etc... Last year, my goal was to sell a portion of my collection to erase all those costs. While I did sell a lot, I also took advantage of the opportunity to upgrade my collection. All my 40 Alpha/Beta duals and all P9 plus a few other cards are all graded 8.5 or minimum. So I only barely made a dent in my goal.So again, my goal is to recoup all of my costs by the end of 2016. It's definitely a big, big goal and I am really debating of just trying to do it in 2015 instead of dragging it another year. I may just do it all at GP Vegas or something.
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majicman Member
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posted April 23, 2015 01:24 PM
quote: Originally posted by Michael French: Check out Puca, small stuff is very easy to move at retail prices, minus a stamp. Some people are buying Puca points at 80% or you could trade for reserve list cards.
Hi Michael, That is a great suggestion Michael. Perhaps on the low end stuff, but are there really people that want the Revised/4th common/uncommon (and Dark to Scourge jank) that I have. I did like the donate to a charity scenario. You get a bigger bang for your buck on a tax deduction if documented properly. Doing it conversatively, you could claim 5 cents a card (most retail NM cards are .10 at CFB) and net 1.25 cents per card back from the IRS since I itemize. Also feels good to give back. Could give to the overseas soldiers (Blue Star Moms program) who send packages. Lot of young people in service need something to do when not on patrol or training. May decide to use that as one alternative to just selling in bulk for the commons/uncommons. Thanks all...Greg
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AEther Storm Member
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posted April 24, 2015 12:43 AM
I'm playing another pauper legacy tournament tomorrow..stay tuned for a report! Playing Mana Breach / Warped Devotion / Megrim deck __________________ I'm a geek, you're a geek. Let's trade.Lord Flasheart: Enter the man who has no underwear. Ask me why. Lieutenant George: Why do you have no underwear, Lord Flash? Lord Flasheart: Because the pants haven't been built yet that'll take the job on!
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Mr.C Member
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posted April 24, 2015 01:54 AM
This page is MOTL circa 2005, just by looking at who's been posting, lol
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dfitzg88 Member
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posted April 25, 2015 04:27 AM
I'm concerned that the more-than-likely inclusion of full art basics in BFZ will destroy the value of the ZEN ones. I have like $1,000 in zen basics. Anyone think it's a good time to sell/trade them off?
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Pail42 Member
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posted April 25, 2015 08:21 AM
quote: Originally posted by dfitzg88: I'm concerned that the more-than-likely inclusion of full art basics in BFZ will destroy the value of the ZEN ones. I have like $1,000 in zen basics. Anyone think it's a good time to sell/trade them off?
Did original Zen basics destroy the value of unglued or unhinged lands? I wouldn't worry about it until they start doing it every set (which they should just to help differentiate basic lands from non-basic lands).
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daner Member
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posted April 26, 2015 02:18 AM
I've given the nickname "O.J." to Ojutai.....bc he murders people and gets away with it. Damn hexproof, man.
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AEther Storm Member
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posted May 01, 2015 05:45 AM
Does it make sense to try and shoot for a G/W Madness build if you can't include Glory (as possible replacements Akroma's Blessing or Reverant Mantra)?This regarding to the pauper legacy format I occasionally play (see my tournament report if you have questions) __________________ I'm a geek, you're a geek. Let's trade.Lord Flasheart: Enter the man who has no underwear. Ask me why. Lieutenant George: Why do you have no underwear, Lord Flash? Lord Flasheart: Because the pants haven't been built yet that'll take the job on!
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