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Pail42
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posted October 19, 2016 10:13 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
For me this just brings back the core set problem. 50% of the blocks will last significantly less time than the other blocks. Instead of avoiding 1 set of cards now I will avoid an entire block of cards.

I think it's really short-sighted that they didn't at least try a 4-block standard model and immediately jumped back to a system that doesn't make sense with the two-block-per year system we have now.

Aaron Forsythe has said on Twitter that there is much more negative feedback about rotations/year than longevity of cards.

I expect that if WotC is smart they will push the power level more in the 18 month blocks than the 24 month blocks. It's safer since the cards won't ruin standard as long, and it will help sell the less desirable product.

 
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posted October 20, 2016 06:57 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for chaos021 Send a private message to chaos021 Click to send chaos021 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View chaos021's Have/Want ListView chaos021's Have/Want List
I would argue that, with the removal of the useless core sets, that this is the rotation I was always looking for. Cramming the core sets in was terrible. No one wanted to draft it or buy it. So you had a few months of dead space where no one really wanted to touch magic. As far as I'm concerned, this style of rotation is what always made sense. Cut the core and keep rolling. Keeping Standard fresh is an interesting idea, but a lot of people I know at my LGS don't want to keep dumping money on it with the faster rotations.
 
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Lorwyn/Shadowmoor blocks were perfect for that reason as that was during the time when core sets got released every other year and that was the year when a core set didn't get printed so Eventide was the set to take the spot of the core set of that year. Core sets made for some awkward 3 set blocks over the years where the block was fine with just the first 2 sets and then a 3rd set that had no place in with the other 2 sets and was basically a stand alone set to finish off the block.
 
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posted October 20, 2016 12:12 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
Keeping Standard fresh is an interesting idea, but a lot of people I know at my LGS don't want to keep dumping money on it with the faster rotations.

Here's the big question, which did you dislike more?
(A) Your cards were rotating out in 18-15 months
(B) 2 rotations per year

To me the money problem is caused much more by (A) than (B). Their new "fix" still has half the sets being viable for the same amount of time and only addresses 50% of (A).

 
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posted October 20, 2016 12:16 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
I would argue that, with the removal of the useless core sets, that this is the rotation I was always looking for. Cramming the core sets in was terrible. No one wanted to draft it or buy it. So you had a few months of dead space where no one really wanted to touch magic. As far as I'm concerned, this style of rotation is what always made sense. Cut the core and keep rolling.

Doesn't the small summer set now have exact the same problem as the old core sets? It's standard legal for the same amount of time.

 
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posted October 20, 2016 05:53 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for chaos021 Send a private message to chaos021 Click to send chaos021 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View chaos021's Have/Want ListView chaos021's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
Doesn't the small summer set now have exact the same problem as the old core sets? It's standard legal for the same amount of time.

Except no one wanted anything to do with core sets. These expansion sets that come out in the summer are fine now. I don't really care that the small set at the end has 6 less months. In a 2 year rotation scheme, I'll get to play with it plenty if I so choose. The (now) previous rotation actually puts more stress on that, and honestly, some stability for Standard is a good thing.

 
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posted October 20, 2016 08:26 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
Except no one wanted anything to do with core sets. These expansion sets that come out in the summer are fine now. I don't really care that the small set at the end has 6 less months.

What prevented you from buying core sets that will now get you to buy the summer sets?

These are the differences I see
1. It is mechanically/flavorfully part of a block
2. It is small instead of large
3. It isn't called "core"

So far the only only difference I've noticed anybody state is the name.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
What prevented you from buying core sets that will now get you to buy the summer sets?

These are the differences I see
1. It is mechanically/flavorfully part of a block
2. It is small instead of large
3. It isn't called "core"

So far the only only difference I've noticed anybody state is the name.


The core sets were complete trash as far as power level, creativity and/or value, depending on who you ask. I'm not here to argue with you. If you want to cry from the rooftops about it, go for it. WotC could use a cheerleading squad. However, I doubt you'll find many who miss them.

 
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posted October 20, 2016 09:28 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
The core sets were complete trash as far as power level, creativity and/or value, depending on who you ask. I'm not here to argue with you. If you want to cry from the rooftops about it, go for it. WotC could use a cheerleading squad. However, I doubt you'll find many who miss them.

I'd don't miss core sets. However, I see this as marginally better than the old core set system becuase it's pretty much the same thing just replacing the old core sets with a slightly better (on average*) product.

*There are plenty of small sets out there that are worse than M14, M15, and Origins.

 
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posted October 21, 2016 02:31 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for chaos021 Send a private message to chaos021 Click to send chaos021 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View chaos021's Have/Want ListView chaos021's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
I'd don't miss core sets. However, I see this as marginally better than the old core set system becuase it's pretty much the same thing just replacing the old core sets with a slightly better (on average*) product.

*There are plenty of small sets out there that are worse than M14, M15, and Origins.


So on average, would you rather have Eldritch Moon or Magic Origins?

 
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After a scary week or so wondering if my account got hijacked, I'm back, baby!! Look forward to getting the ole H/W up and doing some trades like old times!

As always, casual and EDH has drawn me back. Anyone have a favorite general/fun tech from the past couple years of sets? I tend toward G/W/B or G/U, but any inspiration welcome!

 
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posted October 21, 2016 08:55 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
So on average, would you rather have Eldritch Moon or Magic Origins?

I'd rather have Origins than Eldrich Moon.

 
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posted October 22, 2016 03:26 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for chaos021 Send a private message to chaos021 Click to send chaos021 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View chaos021's Have/Want ListView chaos021's Have/Want List
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Originally posted by Pail42:
I'd rather have Origins than Eldrich Moon.

Why and for what?

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posted October 22, 2016 09:29 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
Why and for what?

It has more cards I like and the story was more interesting. I mostly play EDH and brew silly modern decks and Origins has EMN beat on both those fronts as far as power level goes.

 
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Originally posted by Pail42:
It has more cards I like and the story was more interesting. I mostly play EDH and brew silly modern decks and Origins has EMN beat on both those fronts as far as power level goes.

I think I'm done here.

 
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Random question: what's a good price guide to use for selling cards? I was using TCGPlayer which turns out to be pretty terrible. For example, I'm seeing revised bayous go for around $100 on ebay and tcgplayer mid = $172.

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Originally posted by rockondon:
Random question: what's a good price guide to use for selling cards? I was using TCGPlayer which turns out to be pretty terrible. For example, I'm seeing revised bayous go for around $100 on ebay and tcgplayer mid = $172.


Some use ebay or TCG Low. You could also look up the lowest price for the condition of the card you want to sell on TCG. That's probably the most accurate, but there's not a direct way to do that.

 
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Dang, my h/w list apparently turned into a pumpkin. it's not there anymore and i don't recall deleting it
 
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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
Dang, my h/w list apparently turned into a pumpkin. it's not there anymore and i don't recall deleting it

These are sketchy times on MOTL. Don't become a sad panda. Backup your lists regularly!

 
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posted October 28, 2016 10:44 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for aethertech Click Here to Email aethertech Send a private message to aethertech Click to send aethertech an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
What's that sound in the distance?

oh, just the bell tolling for this site.

 
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So, I'd like to give a loud "**** you" to SCG and their load of horse crap concerning Legacy Classics (and legacy events in general) for next year. So here's to you!

/twobirdsup

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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
So, I'd like to give a loud "**** you" to SCG and their load of horse crap concerning Legacy Classics (and legacy events in general) for next year. So here's to you!

/twobirdsup




Yea, SCG is just killing Legacy.

WotC is just killing EDH.

Now, we need an evil corporation to kill Vintage (for real this time, it's been limping along for to long.)

 
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posted November 02, 2016 09:34 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Pail42 Send a private message to Pail42 Click to send Pail42 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Based on the sound of the SCG article it was either cut legacy drastically or cut the tour altogether. Anger at SCG on this issue is misplaced. If legacy events were as profitable as other formats they would keep running them.
 
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posted November 04, 2016 12:39 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for aethertech Click Here to Email aethertech Send a private message to aethertech Click to send aethertech an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
Based on the sound of the SCG article it was either cut legacy drastically or cut the tour altogether. Anger at SCG on this issue is misplaced. If legacy events were as profitable as other formats they would keep running them.

If legacy was affordable...is also an issue.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
Based on the sound of the SCG article it was either cut legacy drastically or cut the tour altogether. Anger at SCG on this issue is misplaced. If legacy events were as profitable as other formats they would keep running them.

I would love for someone to tell me exactly how running a legacy event (largely a side event at this point) is draining their coffers? They're already paying in prize wall garbage so I know they're not actually losing money on prize support, and I've never seen a field so large that it requires like a Day 1 main event sized crew. Even so, the Legacy Classics I've gone too still had plenty of people pony up $40 so how are they losing?

quote:
Originally posted by aethertech:
If legacy was affordable...is also an issue.

If you play Modern, then you're full of it.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by chaos021 on November 04, 2016]

 

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