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oneofchaos
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posted December 06, 2016 04:57 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for oneofchaos Click Here to Email oneofchaos Send a private message to oneofchaos Click to send oneofchaos an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by aethertech:
Worst worded ability-word-thing-ever.

I'm quite glad it doesn't reduce colored mana otherwise it'd be convoke literally.

 
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Megamorph is still by far the worst name for an ability.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by dfitzg88:

[QUOTE]Adventurer's Guildhouse:
Green legendary creatures you control have "bands with other legendary creatures." (Any legendary creatures can attack in a band as long as at least one has "bands with other legendary creatures." Bands are blocked as a group. If at least two legendary creatures you control, one of which has "bands with other legendary creatures," are blocking or being blocked by the same creature, you divide that creature's combat damage, not its controller, among any of the creatures it's being blocked by or is blocking.)

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Banding is perfectly simple. And very flavorful. They should bring it back. Really!

This, however, I don't understand. It's like Convoke for artifacts or something? After mana abilities? What..?? Huh?

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Convoke was simply tapping creatures to lower the cost of the spell by 1 or color of that spells color. Improvise should say "Your artifacts can help cast this spell. Each artifact you tap lowers the cost of the spell by 1 colorless mana." You can't tap an artifact for it's mana ability if it has one and to lower the cost of the spell at the same time. It's one or the other.


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quote:
Originally posted by AEther Storm:
Banding is perfectly simple. And very flavorful. They should bring it back. Really!

This, however, I don't understand. It's like Convoke for artifacts or something? After mana abilities? What..?? Huh?


It's hilarious to me that you understand banding and all the ridiculous (and tedious) rules that go with that, but convoke for artifacts is just so confusing.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
It's hilarious to me that you understand banding and all the ridiculous (and tedious) rules that go with that, but convoke for artifacts is just so confusing.

Well, although I am fairly fluent in the English language, it's still not my native tongue .

To me they've worded it differently than convoke, which is confusing for me as I fail to get exactly what they mean. Why don't call it 'convoke for artifacts' like they did with affinity?

Banding is easy. It's perfectly understandable that your summoned army attacks as a group and defends as one. So the banded army gets to dispurse the damage. In a nutshell. So they've a lengthy wording. Although long, I can follow it quite well.

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quote:
Originally posted by mm1983:
Convoke was simply tapping creatures to lower the cost of the spell by 1 or color of that spells color. Improvise should say "Your artifacts can help cast this spell. Each artifact you tap lowers the cost of the spell by 1 colorless mana." You can't tap an artifact for it's mana ability if it has one and to lower the cost of the spell at the same time. It's one or the other.

When they brought convoke back (M15?) they changed it to pay for the spell instead of lower the cost. Most of the time it is functionally identical but it occasionally matters.

It feels like a lot of people jumping over the wording on improvise when the convoke update uses the same template and barely anybody batted an eye. Maybe it's just because it's a new mechanic.

http://mtgsalvation.gamepedia.com/Convoke

 
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quote:
Originally posted by AEther Storm:
Well, although I am fairly fluent in the English language, it's still not my native tongue .

To me they've worded it differently than convoke, which is confusing for me as I fail to get exactly what they mean. Why don't call it 'convoke for artifacts' like they did with affinity?

Banding is easy. It's perfectly understandable that your summoned army attacks as a group and defends as one. So the banded army gets to dispurse the damage. In a nutshell. So they've a lengthy wording. Although long, I can follow it quite well.


Except they can't call it "convoke" because those rules specifically apply to using creatures to power out spells. The thing about tapping them after using mana abilities is rarely going to matter, but it just boils down to using all your mana sources, then tapping other artifacts for 1 generic mana. If there were an artifact similar to Wall of Roots, it just specifies the order in which you have to do stuff. It will almost never matter unless they plan on making it matter.

On another point, I thought they print all these rules in many different languages? Is that an incorrect assumption?

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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
On another point, I thought they print all these rules in many different languages? Is that an incorrect assumption?

The official rules are published in English. Even English reminder text on cards is not necessarily representative of the complete rules surrounding an ability.

 
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It would rarely come up but convoke for artifacts would allow you to tap a black card that is also an artifact to reduce the cost by 1 black instead of just the colorless cost.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
Except they can't call it "convoke" because those rules specifically apply to using creatures to power out spells. The thing about tapping them after using mana abilities is rarely going to matter, but it just boils down to using all your mana sources, then tapping other artifacts for 1 generic mana. If there were an artifact similar to Wall of Roots, it just specifies the order in which you have to do stuff. It will almost never matter unless they plan on making it matter.

On another point, I thought they print all these rules in many different languages? Is that an incorrect assumption?


I see. So you have to tap all your lands first in order for you to tap your artifacts? I can see that helping in the first few turns with cheap artifacts maybe. Meh, not exciting I suppose. We'll see.
Thanks for enlightening me!

As far as I know, yep. Good thing English is the only language in Holland we can't 'drop' at school eh?
Try playing with French only cards for a change being 14yrs old (or whenever you started playing) and just getting into magic. Like I said, it's relatively easy for Dutch people to read and understand English, but when they use complicated texts (see: Ice Age Block) it can get tricky and the meaning of an ability could get lost (like this one for me).

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From what I get of it because it's an X spell you can pay just the black mana and tap X amount of artifacts to help cast the spell leaving other mana open if you choose to. If it is meant to tap your artifacts after tapping your mana then just simply play other spells first with the mana.
 
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Couldn't you say like tap swamp, forest "I'm done activating mana abilities" , tap an artifact and then cast for 3. It resolves and continue tapping a land and go on casting other stuff?

I'm assuming that it means if you can produce mana, you have to for this spell but it's worded as a choice.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pail42:
The official rules are published in English. Even English reminder text on cards is not necessarily representative of the complete rules surrounding an ability.

I get that it would be a logistical nightmare to have them in every language, but I would imagine it's somewhat necessary. Oh well.

In other news, I find it hilarious to listen to commander players bitch about the "RC" and the direction of commander in general. It's a casual format. Or at least so sayeth its creators.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
I get that it would be a logistical nightmare to have them in every language, but I would imagine it's somewhat necessary. Oh well.

In other news, I find it hilarious to listen to commander players bitch about the "RC" and the direction of commander in general. It's a casual format. Or at least so sayeth its creators.


The translations exist AFAIK; they just aren't "official" in case a discrepancy or mistranslation pops up.

My EDH/commander group generally used the official ban list and rules, but we ignore the stuff we don't like. I imagine most people are like this. The people strongly affected by the RC are people who primarily play in-store with strangers - it's nice to have pre-agreement on what format everyone is playing.

 
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Originally posted by Pail42:
The translations exist AFAIK; they just aren't "official" in case a discrepancy or mistranslation pops up.

My EDH/commander group generally used the official ban list and rules, but we ignore the stuff we don't like. I imagine most people are like this. The people strongly affected by the RC are people who primarily play in-store with strangers - it's nice to have pre-agreement on what format everyone is playing.


And that's pretty much the way they intend for commander to be. So why people are trying to make it the next, big constructed format for the Pro Tour baffles me.

 
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What is going on here?

Revised starter deck sold by Walmart somehow:

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Aether Revolt Inventions have been spoiled

http://magic.wizards.com/en/AERMasterpieces?utm_content=buffer6b03b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Think these will hold overall better value than kaladesh ones. Ornithopter as an invention makes me sad. I'm sure it will still be a $10 card though.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by djcards:
What is going on here?

Revised starter deck sold by Walmart somehow:


I think it's just a third party seller

 
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Originally posted by mm1983:
Think these will hold overall better value than kaladesh ones. Ornithopter as an invention makes me sad. I'm sure it will still be a $10 card though.

I'm guessing minimum $40 on ornithopter. It is popular and almost always played as 4x. For reference, Expedition tectonic edge is ~$25.

 
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But it's an Ornithopter. Even if I loved playing Affinity (because where else do you need 4?), I still think $10 is kinda high. And why Pithing Needle? Some of the choices are "bleh."
 
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
But it's an Ornithopter. Even if I loved playing Affinity (because where else do you need 4?), I still think $10 is kinda high. And why Pithing Needle? Some of the choices are "bleh."

There won't be significantly more ornithopter masterpieces on the market than there are tectonic edges. Ornithopter see play more often in more formats at higher frequency and is more iconic than Tec. Edge. It will be worth more than Tectonic Edge. Tec. Edge is worth more than $10.

Pitching needle is a decent sideboard card; but I agree, somebody at wizards seems to really love printing it.

 
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Guys, need some advise. I have a bunch of march flats i bought a looong time ago for some decks i have, but i wanna sell themt o buy some other cards.

When should I sell them? now and get what i can? or is there a Modern season coming up soon? If modern masters 2 come out, they will lose a lot of value correct? What do YOU think?

Thanks!

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Myy:
Guys, need some advise. I have a bunch of march flats i bought a looong time ago for some decks i have, but i wanna sell themt o buy some other cards.

When should I sell them? now and get what i can? or is there a Modern season coming up soon? If modern masters 2 come out, they will lose a lot of value correct? What do YOU think?


There is a modern PPTQ season once a year, but prices don't drastically drop/spike because of it.

MM2017 will probably make the prices on modern staples that weren't reprinted spike. They have yet to print a rare land cycle in a 'masters' product.

Sell now and buy the other cards. It will be reprinted eventually - likely in standard. When it gets printed in standard the price will plummet.

 
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Expect almost anything not reprinted for MM2017 to rise in price. From what I hear this will be last of the Modern Master series of sets, at least for a long time since they are taking it up to M14 with reprints. Any invention card being reprinted for Aether Revolt probably wont be seen in MM2017. I think you could possibly see reprints of cards that were in the first Modern Masters set as well. You will most likely see infect cards this time around including possibly Inkmoth Nexus.
 

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