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Topic: Ultimate Masters
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mm1983
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posted November 06, 2018 10:42 AM
        
It's been awhile since anybody has posted any new topics here so I thought I'd try and start a Ultimate Masters discussion. Who thinks Ultimate Masters will be bad for the game as a whole and who thinks it will benefit the game? Seeing that MSRP is $335.76 there won't be too many people willing to drop that kind of money on a full case or even just a box or 2. In buying the box for MSRP price if local game stores sell for MSRP gets you the ultimate box topper. Wal-Mart will be selling them as $35 blister packs so 3 packs for $35. This essentially puts the box topper at a price of $55 if you were to buy everything separately. I think many of the reprinted cards including some already masterpieces and judge promos will take an initial price hit due to now having a reprint both as a set reprint and a ultimate box topper reprint. Some will say reprints are good for the game because they increase supply of a card and allowing for newer players to enter into the modern format. Some of the modern cards needed a reprint as they are only in one set not counting if it was a promo of any kind. Any of the legacy reprints from this does not further benefit the older formats at all. For those of us who have played for 10+ years is this set going to be a bust like Eternal Masters was?
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TribeCalledQuest
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posted November 06, 2018 07:11 PM
I think its not going to hurt pricing as much unless you keep reprinting them ie Tarmogoyf, JTMS, Snapcaster. Eternal Masters sucked in general just because there is no money or big tourneys for the Vintage format. I loved playing Vintage (ran Powered Oath and Stax) which is why I've gone away from tournament play and moved on to casual EDH with my buddies. In my opinion, if you wanna help out the format, end legacy and make it vintage with a longer restricted list, but that's besides the point. Anyways its a 245 card set so hopefully they reprint better stuff to help out the legacy and modern. Price shouldn't be a concern, it might make a small dent, but not too obvious. I paid $75 for a played Liliana a month ago.
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B-Town
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posted November 07, 2018 12:43 PM
I think a lot of the doom and gloom is coming from people that view their cards as stocks and bonds. Yeah, it sucks when your collection loses value, but Wizards is a business whose job is to continue to bring in new players. The best way for them to do that is to make as many versions of their games accessible for the highest number of potential players.In the end, this will probably do what previous Masters sets did - temporarily suppress the market for the cards that are reprinted. Staples will go back up in value over time. Cards that are worth a lot due to of lack of availability will stay somewhat lower.
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chaos021
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posted November 13, 2018 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by B-Town:
I think a lot of the doom and gloom is coming from people that view their cards as stocks and bonds. Yeah, it sucks when your collection loses value, but Wizards is a business whose job is to continue to bring in new players. The best way for them to do that is to make as many versions of their games accessible for the highest number of potential players.In the end, this will probably do what previous Masters sets did - temporarily suppress the market for the cards that are reprinted. Staples will go back up in value over time. Cards that are worth a lot due to of lack of availability will stay somewhat lower.
Really? It seems most of the doom and gloom is usually directed at the MSRP for this product. By and large, that's what a bunch of folks all over the internet and IRL are complaining about. LGSs are also complaining about some things but that's for reasons largely attributed to the new distribution scheme on top of the MSRP. I'm probably going to buy a bit of it, but this release doesn't really add up to me from profit or customer engagement PoV to me. They (the mothership) even said that this product isn't for everyone. If so, then what's the point?
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Trag3dy
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posted November 14, 2018 06:48 AM
I believe the MSRP is an egregious statement by WoTC. I can understand the need and desire to maximize your profits on something special that the player base has been asking for. I fail to understand in pricing out at least 50% of you player base. Regardless of what they say about not caring about the secondary market they continue to prove otherwise. Financial rant aside, it IS an exciting set with some sweet reprints. And the box toppers are awesome. I am still on the fence on wether or not I will buy boxes or not, I think I would rather just buy the singles I want and move on just like with most of these sets out there.
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mm1983
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posted November 14, 2018 07:41 AM
I will still probably buy 2 boxes at whatever the higher price is going to be unless boxes drop a significant amount in value after release. Most of the box toppers are amazing but I would hate to open a Lavaclaw Reaches or Stirring Wildwood as my box topper. Either way I do plan to go for a full box topper set and foil ultimate masters set over time.
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ryan2754
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posted November 15, 2018 06:02 AM
I'll buy a couple boxes. I had some pretty good luck with Masters (foil Ensnaring Bridge and Foil Chalice) and my buddy got Foil JTMS, all in one case. May open one and keep one sealed to see if it climbs in price like MM1.
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B-Town
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posted November 15, 2018 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by chaos021:
Really? It seems most of the doom and gloom is usually directed at the MSRP for this product. By and large, that's what a bunch of folks all over the internet and IRL are complaining about. LGSs are also complaining about some things but that's for reasons largely attributed to the new distribution scheme on top of the MSRP. I'm probably going to buy a bit of it, but this release doesn't really add up to me from profit or customer engagement PoV to me. They (the mothership) even said that this product isn't for everyone. If so, then what's the point?
I guess I've seen both. People with a lot invested being mad because their card values will go down with another round of reprints, and people mad because they can't afford to buy into this set. All in all, like others have said, I think the point of this set is just to take a bite out of the secondary market, maybe drive the prices down on a few modern staples so a few more people can buy in.
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Mr. Ruboonia
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posted November 17, 2018 06:09 AM
I won't be buying any, but it's been a while since I've bought any sealed product. I won't be buying much, if any, sealed product until the reserved list is abolished. I don't play modern or standard, only eternal and casual/EDH for me. I don't find any reason to pick up legacy staples only to have the non-reprinted cards spike in value.
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chaos021
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posted November 18, 2018 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by B-Town:
I guess I've seen both. People with a lot invested being mad because their card values will go down with another round of reprints, and people mad because they can't afford to buy into this set. All in all, like others have said, I think the point of this set is just to take a bite out of the secondary market, maybe drive the prices down on a few modern staples so a few more people can buy in.
Right, but people keep forgetting that the price suppression is largely temporary. There's very few cases where the reprinting has actually driven down prices long-term, and most of the ones I can think of had inflated prices due to not having enough out there (not due to demand or power level so to speak), such as Damnation. Everything else usually go close to their former prices once they stop producing the sealed product (Noble Hierarch, Chalice of the Void, Engineered Explosives, etc). If you ask me, I think that's why they're giving up on the Modern Masters sets. Well that and they're about to release their newest iteration of a quasi-eternal format some time in the next year or two.
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mm1983
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posted November 19, 2018 01:01 PM
People buying into the masters sets creates a demand for singles in the secondary market. 80 to 90% of the cards will drop in value due to first reprint or multiple reprints being enough to satisfy the market but the other 10-20% of cards will become higher in value because more people bought into the format where the demand is still too high. There is a collector demand for this as well such as potentially any foil in the set, cards that have brand new art to them, and the hype of getting the random box topper with each booster box purchased.
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James_Hetfield2
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posted December 08, 2018 01:43 AM
I bought a box off eBay for $264 (and got $20 of ebay bucks) and cracked it with my daughter yesterday.Our mythics were Kozilek, Bitterblosson and Dark Depths. We got a Noble Hierarch and our next best rare was probably Gaddock Teeg, lot of bulk. No foil rare  Our box topper was Engineered Explosives. Which is about 20th most valuable out of 40, so right in the middle. Maybe $200 of value if you add up everything. Was fun, of course better to be drafting. I doubt I'll buy another.
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mm1983
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posted December 08, 2018 04:14 AM
My friend owns a shop so he pretty much gets as much product as he wants. I’ll be opening my case on Sunday but out of what he started opening for the shop his very first box had a Snapcaster Mage box topper and his first pack opened was a foil cavern of souls followed by a foil engineered explosives and a foil maelstrom pulse in the same box. 4 other mythics in the box as well.
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ryan2754
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posted December 11, 2018 10:01 AM
Got five boxes.
One box had Lili, FOIL Hierarch, FOIL Snapcaster, and Box Topper Demonic Tutor.
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mm1983
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posted December 11, 2018 12:43 PM
I got 4 boxes so far. Box toppers were Snapcaster, Cavern of Souls, Engineered Explosives, and Karn Liberated. Have extras of foil Back to Basics and foil Fulminator Mage. My friend opened for box toppers from his case Liliana, Vengevine, Dark Depths, and Urborg.
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B-Town
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posted December 12, 2018 05:18 AM
Just 1 box here. Box topper was Gaddock Teeg (gross).... But the box itself was pretty good - foil Bitterblossom and regular, Karn, Celestial Colonnade, Phyrexian Tower, Leovold, Reanimate, Goryo's Vengeance, Engineered Explosives, foil Fauna Shaman. Lots of $3-5 cards and at least 1 of pretty much all of the good uncommons. I only had about 5 packs with junk rares, which is good.
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James_Hetfield2
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posted December 12, 2018 06:49 AM
You guys got some sick pulls. I broke down and bought 2 more boxes. First box had Liliana and Cavern and not much else, box topper was Lavaclaw The third box I finally did well. 5 Mythics, including a Cavern and a foil Vengevine, lot of good rares (Explosives, foil Tomb, etc) and the box topper was Tarmogoyf. Maybe I'll do one more on Christmas to complete the case 
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James_Hetfield2
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posted December 13, 2018 08:29 AM
And just FYI 15% off coupon on ebay. Helps with these rising box prices.
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