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B-Town
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posted August 14, 2017 03:40 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for B-Town Click Here to Email B-Town Send a private message to B-Town Click to send B-Town an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View B-Town's Have/Want ListView B-Town's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
It appears it will not allow me to cancel the league. Something about "once draft results are put in and teams are locked."

Well, I guess all league actions and teams will be locked until 2 things:

1.

An apology from B-Town. Totally uncool since I am running this show and getting disrespected.

2.

We all have agreement and understanding about what the Ghost Team can and cannot do. And if we are getting a replacement manager or not.


Again, it's not my fault that you didn't communicate your plans with the ghost team, and it's not my fault that, for some reason, your default reaction is to get defensive every time someone asks a simple, benign question.

In a nutshell, the biggest issue here is the fact that you refuse to see the pattern of overboard, unnecessary behavior on your part that led to someone having the reaction that I did. But you're the Commish so you can do whatever you want and we all should just smile and nod... Got it.

To everyone else in the league - I'm sorry this happened. I put in a lot of time and effort drafting my team too.

 
puregoblinboy47
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posted August 14, 2017 04:06 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for puregoblinboy47 Click Here to Email puregoblinboy47 Send a private message to puregoblinboy47 Click to send puregoblinboy47 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Im confused why he needs to have his team locked out. Do you want him to say screw the motl league and we have 2 teams with no manager?

I came here to yell at you for making for making such an unfair trade and to refrain from making more in the future. If there is a ghost team fire sale and you declare first dibs, that's not very much fun for anyone else. No fair for us if you claim 2 starters and give up 2 scrubs in return.

Thank you for running the draft up to this point though. I appreciate the time and effort you have put in for the enjoyment of everyone here. I would hate for all your hard work to go to waste because the league folded. I would be very disappointed if B-Town quit over this. So much so I'd probably quit too.

 
revenger
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posted August 14, 2017 05:06 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for revenger Click Here to Email revenger Send a private message to revenger Click to send revenger an Instant MessageVisit revenger's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by puregoblinboy47:
Im confused why he needs to have his team locked out. Do you want him to say screw the motl league and we have 2 teams with no manager?

I came here to yell at you for making for making such an unfair trade and to refrain from making more in the future. If there is a ghost team fire sale and you declare first dibs, that's not very much fun for anyone else. No fair for us if you claim 2 starters and give up 2 scrubs in return.

Thank you for running the draft up to this point though. I appreciate the time and effort you have put in for the enjoyment of everyone here. I would hate for all your hard work to go to waste because the league folded. I would be very disappointed if B-Town quit over this. So much so I'd probably quit too.


Just tired of all the hassle and being ragged on.

I am very disapponted though. To the point I am thinking bout quiting.

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B-Town
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My focus was on the fact that the Ghost Team was trading, to the point that I didn't even notice that it was Revenger trading with himself.

That's really all that needs to be said. I'm bowing out, gentlemen.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by B-Town on August 14, 2017]

 
B-Town
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quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
Just tired of all the hassle and being ragged on.

I am very disapponted though. To the point I am thinking bout quiting.



This whole situation is on you, man.

 
hilikuS
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posted August 14, 2017 06:47 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for hilikuS Click Here to Email hilikuS Send a private message to hilikuS Click to send hilikuS an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View hilikuS's Trade Auction or SaleView hilikuS's Trade Auction or Sale
quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
Just tired of all the hassle and being ragged on.


You aren't being "ragged on", this is a legitimate concern. The ethics of trading with two teams you yourself own is one thing, and the fact that the trade sucks for the Ghost Team is another.

If it were two separate managers, the trade would be unfair, and considerable for veto. Under some circumstances, it could be viewed as collusion.

Given that you run both teams, it is clear that both managers are colluding... with "each other" (I guess), and that's not in question, it's true.

So there's two things here.

1. We ultimately need another manager for Ghost Team, or you shouldn't be able to trade with yourself.

2. None of this argument should be something you take personal. I mean I guess the "GFY" thing is, but that was out of frustration.

We all understand that being commish is a thankless job. I run an 18 team dynasty baseball league (with ridiculous rosters and everything). I do it for free because I love playing the game. I understand the aggravation it can cause when people want their way, and you're like "Dude, I'm busting my ass here."

Nobody is being unappreciative of that, as far as I can see.

I propose that we reverse the trade, and then everybody sees what they can do about a 10th manager. If we can't find one, and you still want to trade with Ghost Team, it can be under scrutiny, or we can designate some other manager to act on that team's behalf in a trade situation. This way the trade is made with both teams in mind.

This league is something we all want to win, but at the end of the day it's a fantasy game where we guess which adult playing a children's game will score the most points. There is no money involved, just the bragging rights (which I covet more than money!). Ultimately though, I think we should focus on fun.

[Edited 3 times, lastly by hilikuS on August 14, 2017]

 
braves54321
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posted August 14, 2017 07:06 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for braves54321 Click Here to Email braves54321 Send a private message to braves54321 Click to send braves54321 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Wise words Bill. Everyone needs to calm down. Just undo the trade and we will see if we can get a 10th manager. Still a few weeks til the season starts.
 
revenger
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posted August 14, 2017 07:59 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for revenger Click Here to Email revenger Send a private message to revenger Click to send revenger an Instant MessageVisit revenger's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:
You aren't being "ragged on", this is a legitimate concern. The ethics of trading with two teams you yourself own is one thing, and the fact that the trade sucks for the Ghost Team is another.

If it were two separate managers, the trade would be unfair, and considerable for veto. Under some circumstances, it could be viewed as collusion.

Given that you run both teams, it is clear that both managers are colluding... with "each other" (I guess), and that's not in question, it's true.

So there's two things here.

1. We ultimately need another manager for Ghost Team, or you shouldn't be able to trade with yourself.

2. None of this argument should be something you take personal. I mean I guess the "GFY" thing is, but that was out of frustration.

We all understand that being commish is a thankless job. I run an 18 team dynasty baseball league (with ridiculous rosters and everything). I do it for free because I love playing the game. I understand the aggravation it can cause when people want their way, and you're like "Dude, I'm busting my ass here."

Nobody is being unappreciative of that, as far as I can see.

I propose that we reverse the trade, and then everybody sees what they can do about a 10th manager. If we can't find one, and you still want to trade with Ghost Team, it can be under scrutiny, or we can designate some other manager to act on that team's behalf in a trade situation. This way the trade is made with both teams in mind.

This league is something we all want to win, but at the end of the day it's a fantasy game where we guess which adult playing a children's game will score the most points. There is no money involved, just the bragging rights (which I covet more than money!). Ultimately though, I think we should focus on fun.


I guess this is correct.

However, it doesn't change the fact that B-Town has really nearly ruined it for me. This is not fun when someone says GFY (I did not know what it stood for, had to urban dictionary look up). Being a thankless job, this is what is not called for. I don't accept this, even on a personal basis. (for example if this was posted in GD forum non football).

Trading with myself is agreeable that "collusion" is considered and thought of. But iirc, I did not want to run 2 teams in the first place, and no one brought anyone in to replace. Yet B-Town was one of the first to whine and cry foul, yet brought no one to replace him.

I will not make/intiate any trades with the Ghost Team, nor make trades for him, if I decide to continue playing. Sorry, but B-Town has taken the fun out of it for me, which has me thinking.

I do apologize to the rest of the league for what has transpired.

~Revenger

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pugowar
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posted August 15, 2017 03:45 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for pugowar Click Here to Email pugowar Send a private message to pugowar Click to send pugowar an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
No one is saying what we are all thinking. The only way to stop Pug from dominating this league is to shut it down.

Honestly though I think this is like the survivors of a nuclear war or post-apocalyptic world. We have to stick together, there are so few of us left.

Rev- Don't give up man. Lets push through this. It will make it all so much more sweet when I win! Thanks for unlocking us all. Let's just move forward and enjoy this season. It could be your last opportunity to add to that sig

TLDR: It's the end of the world (Digitally and possibly literally). Can't we all just get along. I must break you!

Tim

 
urza187
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posted August 15, 2017 07:41 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for urza187 Click Here to Email urza187 Send a private message to urza187 Click to send urza187 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Hey all,

Decided to lurk this topic because I do enjoy fantasy football, but never was early enough to jump in on this.

Sounds like you're having some issues, and need another. If you still need someone, I could fill in (There isn't a cost to this, right?). As long as the team isn't actual dog**** Anyway, hit me up if you need me. I'd hate to see a group that likes MTG and FF collapse.

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B-Town
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Last post on this, just for clarity. I'm not interested in participating in this league, moving forward. I wish this would have worked out, but it is what it is.

Revenger - sorry I said GFY. I'm still not sure it wasn't warranted, but I will admit that it wasn't necessary. I could have just said that I wasn't interested in continuing after seeing your replies to me and whomever else questioned the trade, but took it a step further.

Thanks for the fun draft, guys. Good luck this season.


 
revenger
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posted August 15, 2017 09:54 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for revenger Click Here to Email revenger Send a private message to revenger Click to send revenger an Instant MessageVisit revenger's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by urza187:
Hey all,

Decided to lurk this topic because I do enjoy fantasy football, but never was early enough to jump in on this.

Sounds like you're having some issues, and need another. If you still need someone, I could fill in (There isn't a cost to this, right?). As long as the team isn't actual dog**** Anyway, hit me up if you need me. I'd hate to see a group that likes MTG and FF collapse.


Yes, we do need you. And it appears we have 2 available to spots as B-Town has decided to retire from the league.

which team would like to take over? The Ghost Team or The Fight Dobacks (B-Town).?

~Commish

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urza187
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posted August 15, 2017 11:20 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for urza187 Click Here to Email urza187 Send a private message to urza187 Click to send urza187 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
Yes, we do need you. And it appears we have 2 available to spots as B-Town has decided to retire from the league.

which team would like to take over? The Ghost Team or The Fight Dobacks (B-Town).?

~Commish


Can I see the teams? I can then let you know which one...

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revenger
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posted August 15, 2017 11:29 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for revenger Click Here to Email revenger Send a private message to revenger Click to send revenger an Instant MessageVisit revenger's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by urza187:
Can I see the teams? I can then let you know which one...


http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/018134.html

oh, and I am gonna need an email addy for the team you want to take over-
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[Edited 1 times, lastly by revenger on August 15, 2017]

 
urza187
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posted August 15, 2017 11:59 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for urza187 Click Here to Email urza187 Send a private message to urza187 Click to send urza187 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/018134.html

oh, and I am gonna need an email addy for the team you want to take over-


PM'd

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revenger
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posted August 15, 2017 12:27 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for revenger Click Here to Email revenger Send a private message to revenger Click to send revenger an Instant MessageVisit revenger's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by urza187:
PM'd


Invite sent. welcome aboard.

Now we need a replacement team for B-Town, suggestions and ideas would be great.

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revenger
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posted August 15, 2017 01:04 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for revenger Click Here to Email revenger Send a private message to revenger Click to send revenger an Instant MessageVisit revenger's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Am I allowed to improve the new team I am taking over (cept trading with myself, of course)??
They's need a better RB. QB wouldn't hurt either.

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pugowar
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posted August 15, 2017 05:34 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for pugowar Click Here to Email pugowar Send a private message to pugowar Click to send pugowar an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
What's up with the 50 adds cap? Don't ever remember that in the past.

Also Rev why the are the projected point for Defense so low. I think something might need to be changed on that one
Thanks!!
Tim

[Edited 1 times, lastly by pugowar on August 15, 2017]

 
revenger
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posted August 15, 2017 05:46 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for revenger Click Here to Email revenger Send a private message to revenger Click to send revenger an Instant MessageVisit revenger's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by pugowar:
What's up with the 50 adds cap? Don't ever remember that in the past.

Also Rev why the are the projected point for Defense so low. I think something might need to be changed on that one
Thanks!!
Tim


50 adds cap is for the person(s) using and abusing the wavier wire. This was implemented like 2 or 3 years ago.

As for Def projections, that you have to ask yahoo and rotowire. They are the ones doing that stuff.

~Commish

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puregoblinboy47
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posted August 16, 2017 06:49 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for puregoblinboy47 Click Here to Email puregoblinboy47 Send a private message to puregoblinboy47 Click to send puregoblinboy47 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
Am I allowed to improve the new team I am taking over (cept trading with myself, of course)??
They's need a better RB. QB wouldn't hurt either.


I don't necessarily mind trading with yourself as long as it's a fair trade. The last one wasn't even close to fair is what everyone's problem was. Like you trader for 2 starters, but gave up 2 bench players in return. The point value wouldn't even be close, you know?

 
hilikuS
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Just to confirm. We're trying to find a manager for Ghost Team, right?
 
revenger
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posted August 16, 2017 09:17 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for revenger Click Here to Email revenger Send a private message to revenger Click to send revenger an Instant MessageVisit revenger's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:
Just to confirm. We're trying to find a manager for Ghost Team, right?

Um, Urza187 has replaced the Ghost Team.

We need a manager for the Phantom Team.

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hilikuS
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posted August 16, 2017 10:51 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for hilikuS Click Here to Email hilikuS Send a private message to hilikuS Click to send hilikuS an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View hilikuS's Trade Auction or SaleView hilikuS's Trade Auction or Sale
quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
Um, Urza187 has replaced the Ghost Team.

We need a manager for the Phantom Team.


I have a few people interested, just wanted to make sure it's the team with Mike Evans.

 
revenger
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quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:
I have a few people interested, just wanted to make sure it's the team with Mike Evans.

Have em contact me and/or post on here. Thanks!

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hilikuS
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quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
Have em contact me and/or post on here. Thanks!


Speechjew was interested, and I sent him after you.

 

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