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Topic: Beta Booster Box
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headumpire Member
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posted October 13, 2013 04:33 PM
I am possibly interested in acquiring a Beta Booster Box. If i remember correctly, the last one sold was sold publicly was in 2011, for 15999.99 by Troll and Toad(bought by Chris, I think he is a member on here, and there was a Youtube video about it). Now Troll and Toad has raised there price to 25k, and obviously there are none in stock.I guess my question is, does anyone know of one for sale? And how much would it be worth now? Any help would be appreciated, thank you!
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Vermilion Member
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posted October 13, 2013 05:21 PM
I know of one for sale but the seller wants $60k.You can speak to Daniel Chang about it if you'd like.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Vermilion on October 13, 2013]
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JayC Member
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posted October 13, 2013 05:28 PM
quote: Originally posted by Vermilion: I know of one for sale but the seller wants $60k.You can speak to Daniel Chang about it if you'd like.
Sounds like a very futuristic price, someday to become reality.
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headumpire Member
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posted October 13, 2013 05:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by Vermilion: I know of one for sale but the seller wants $60k.You can speak to Daniel Chang about it if you'd like.
60k? Holy cow, I was thinking more in the 20k range, but maybe that is unrealistic
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ermabwed Member
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posted October 13, 2013 07:06 PM
Nobody should ever speak to Daniel Chang for any reason...__________________ Always buying misprints. See my list for the best Alternate 4th buy prices in the world (bulk rares $3!) T-Chinese Portal Feral Shadow $8 Legends APs
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jbark Member
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posted October 13, 2013 07:58 PM
Wasn't Changs box only $6k on eBay. And the listed it 20+ more times... lol
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headumpire Member
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posted October 13, 2013 08:29 PM
Wrong dude jbark. Chang is with graded magic cards. The scammer is someone else
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jbark Member
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posted October 13, 2013 08:45 PM
I believe someone linked the pics on the eBay listing to his originals from a while ago on a thread I posted with the auction.
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Vermilion Member
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posted October 14, 2013 04:21 AM
$20k is unrealistic. Single packs I know I can sell for a minimum of $1k each. You're looking at $40k on a booster box these days easy.
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mnDiff Member
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posted October 14, 2013 07:43 AM
20K is, as Vermilion said, UNREALISTIC ....... but as nothing is impossible on planet earth if you find a store which sell it for that price go for it as you will make a great investment ... I think neither 20K nor 60K are realistic values nowadays tho ... ... my 02 cents guess is that it's more in the 35K to 45K range ...
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headumpire Member
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posted October 14, 2013 08:06 AM
Ok I see what you guys are saying, but also...When that box sold in 2011, the price per pack was around $750, so if you are using the math you guys are using the box should have sold for $27,000(and TROLL AND TOAD sold it for 16k) 25K was about my top dollar. Is that not possible then? If anyone has any leads that would be great. It doesn't need to be sealed(as I believe only 20% was, correct?)
[Edited 2 times, lastly by headumpire on October 14, 2013]
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gregmacknass Member
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posted October 14, 2013 08:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by headumpire: Ok I see what you guys are saying, but also...When that box sold in 2011, the price per pack was around $750, so if you are using the math you guys are using the box should have sold for $27,000(and TROLL AND TOAD sold it for 16k)
The market has changed since then. People are willing to shell out $1k a booster to have a piece of MTG history. I know that troll and toad sat on that booster box for at least 2-3 years before they finally sold it, and at that time you could buy a complete NM Beta set for a little more than they were asking. The simple fact is that there are very few left out there, an most who own them have little interest of selling them. I would also think that as far as value goes, it would matter if it was a "sealed" box or an "open" box. An open box could have easily been mapped, the good packs removed, and refilled with other packs. The box T&T sold was "opened", which is why it probably took so long to sell. I would hazard a guess that there are 10 or less booster boxes left out there, and maybe 2 more worth of loose packs. So finding one of those few people that has even a slight inclination to sell theirs is going to be a challenge. Goo luck.
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James_Hetfield2 Member
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posted October 14, 2013 09:14 AM
I thought T&T had a case. I remember one of their employees saying they sold about a box a year at the $16k number.
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LandDestroyer Member
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posted October 14, 2013 11:41 AM
quote: An open box could have easily been mapped, the good packs removed, and refilled with other packs. The box T&T sold was "opened", which is why it probably took so long to sell. [/B]
I was wondering if you had additional details on this. Do they really have mapping data all the way back to then? I remember mtgnews having mapping data when I started playing around odyssey for that set and I remember the same for Onslaught and obviously recent sets they have the data for...but do they really have it for all sets? Who the heck even keeps that? I remember watching a video of an alpha or beta starter where there was a bayou on top i think and they new there was another dual behind it according to other people but I wasn't sure how they knew if not for mapping data from back then. He opened it and sure enough there was the dual they suspected behind it. I know that you can move the cards around and see through the white pack edge to see what rare it is, but that's different from mapping, that's searching backs. They's why I don't buy the old boosters anymore - last time I opened a revised booster was 2005 and was lucky enough to have a bayou in it that I traded on here.
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Vermilion Member
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posted October 14, 2013 12:10 PM
Your assessment of there being only 10 or so Beta Boosters left is pretty off. There are more Alpha Booster/Starter deck boxes then that assessment and with Beta being 3 times the print run it's easy to say over 30 Booster boxes exist. Many in collections that will never see the light of day.
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KIP_NZ Member
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posted October 14, 2013 01:23 PM
quote: Originally posted by Vermilion: Your assessment of there being only 10 or so Beta Boosters left is pretty off. There are more Alpha Booster/Starter deck boxes then that assessment and with Beta being 3 times the print run it's easy to say over 30 Booster boxes exist. Many in collections that will never see the light of day.
There are more than 1 collector who has a whole case of beta unopened. I think you'll find the number is much much higher. $60K for a sealed box of Beta would not be unrealistic at all. __________________ Adrian Eternal Formats Rule Former DCI Level 2 Judge (Retired)
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LandDestroyer Member
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posted October 14, 2013 07:04 PM
For some perspective, 10 years ago a case of arabian nights went for $95,000:http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/rb102 Also a sorta neat article I remember from back in the day.
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headumpire Member
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posted October 14, 2013 07:09 PM
Things definitly go up, but 16k to 40k in two years?When boosters only appreciated 30% why would the boxes appreciate nearly 300%?
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jbark Member
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posted October 14, 2013 07:18 PM
Keep in mind it was stated that the T&T box was opened. That hurts a lot. So $40k+ seems legit on a sealed box.
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headumpire Member
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posted October 14, 2013 08:00 PM
I'm ok with an unsealed box. Any leads on one of those? Or is 25k still not gonna happen?
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Vegas10 Member
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posted October 14, 2013 09:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by gregmacknass: The market has changed since then. People are willing to shell out $1k a booster to have a piece of MTG history. I know that troll and toad sat on that booster box for at least 2-3 years before they finally sold it, and at that time you could buy a complete NM Beta set for a little more than they were asking. The simple fact is that there are very few left out there, an most who own them have little interest of selling them. I would also think that as far as value goes, it would matter if it was a "sealed" box or an "open" box. An open box could have easily been mapped, the good packs removed, and refilled with other packs. The box T&T sold was "opened", which is why it probably took so long to sell. I would hazard a guess that there are 10 or less booster boxes left out there, and maybe 2 more worth of loose packs. So finding one of those few people that has even a slight inclination to sell theirs is going to be a challenge. Goo luck.
Def more than 10 unopened Booster Boxes of Beta out there, but they are pretty rare and most who have them arn't selling them.
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mm1983 Member
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posted October 15, 2013 04:46 AM
Keep in mind, sealed cases way back in the day up until Ice Age were 10 boxes and not the 6 that they are today so anybody with a sealed case of Beta as in the case has never even been opened to see that you indeed have Beta booster boxes would have 10 sealed Beta booster boxes so if you are talking a single box possibly being $60k then a whole case is probably worth at a minimum of $500,000 to possibly as high as $750,000 as long as you could find the right buyer for something like that.
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Vermilion Member
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posted October 15, 2013 07:14 AM
quote: Originally posted by headumpire: Things definitly go up, but 16k to 40k in two years?When boosters only appreciated 30% why would the boxes appreciate nearly 300%?
Maybe you should take a look at Beta Lotus prices in the past 2 years and yes you would see the price pretty much doubled along with duals more then doubling so yes $16k to $40k is very realistic. quote: Originally posted by headumpire: I'm ok with an unsealed box. Any leads on one of those? Or is 25k still not gonna happen?
$25k isn't going to happen sealed or unsealed. You can tell if packs have been searched. You might be able to find 36 searched packs for around $25k but then you're just wasting your money.
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