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LandDestroyer
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posted January 11, 2015 08:18 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for LandDestroyer Click Here to Email LandDestroyer Send a private message to LandDestroyer Click to send LandDestroyer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I picked up an Antiquities Strip Mine (No Sky, No Tower) this week that is misprint. Pictures here

Front http://imgur.com/IgEk088
Back http://imgur.com/vKREKZ9
Mirror shot focused on back: http://imgur.com/lg2xQR8
Mirror shot focused on front: http://imgur.com/U9h4cZI

I've had several offers, including 1 on FB of $300.

I showed Dan Bock pictures of it at GP Omaha. He said "Definitely a 3 digit card...probably not quite a 4 digit one".

On fb slinga said 'Couple hundred at minimum...It's beyond rare.' I know on his sell list he has this listed for his
"$600 Strip Mine (AQ common pic miscut with sliver of bottom card, unbelievably rare)"

At first I wasn't going to part with it but I'm thinking if I can get something for vintage or maybe legacy that I'd actually use...or a tempting amount of cash I'd part with it.

Would like to hear your thoughts on values. Looking to narrow down the range a bit more than $300-$900. IMO it looks much better in person than the scans show...but they will show every imperfection clearly.

Appreciate any help!


Edits: Wording, links, and fixing miscut to misprint typo.

[Edited 10 times, lastly by LandDestroyer on January 12, 2015]

 
Tha Gunslinga
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posted January 12, 2015 07:36 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Tha Gunslinga Click Here to Email Tha Gunslinga Send a private message to Tha Gunslinga Click to send Tha Gunslinga an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Tha Gunslinga's Trade Auction or SaleView Tha Gunslinga's Trade Auction or Sale
For what it's worth, here's my input:

Eli Kassis makes fake miscuts from cut-up sheets. This is miscut only on one side, so it's basically unfakeable. That's definitely a plus.

I have seen cards miscut pretty much exactly like this go for $20-30 for random older ones (FE, DK, etc). There was a Maze of Ith on eBay that I believe Dan Bock won for like $180. I think it had the edge of the sheet on it.

I am asking a lot on my Strip Mine. It took me years to track it down. I know of one other miscut Strip Mine from AQ that has a bit of another card on it. The owner had basically no interest in trading it for anything less than a Mox. This was like 8 years ago.

I have never, EVER seen another Antiquities card that was miscut on the back only. I have seen this from many other sets, including Alpha, Beta, Revised, Fallen Empires, The Dark, Alliances, and others.

This is an extremely playable card, AND it's a Vintage and EDH-played card.

However, you can't stick this in a deck and show it off, which limits its value somewhat.


It's a very nice misprint, for sure. I think $300-500 is probably a very fair price, and I might even take the $300 offer.

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posted January 12, 2015 07:42 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for LandDestroyer Click Here to Email LandDestroyer Send a private message to LandDestroyer Click to send LandDestroyer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
For what it's worth, here's my input:

I value your input a lot, so thanks!!!

Eli Kassis makes fake miscuts from cut-up sheets. This is miscut only on one side, so it's basically unfakeable. That's definitely a plus.

I have seen cards miscut pretty much exactly like this go for $20-30 for random older ones (FE, DK, etc). There was a Maze of Ith on eBay that I believe Dan Bock won for like $180. I think it had the edge of the sheet on it.

I am asking a lot on my Strip Mine. It took me years to track it down. I know of one other miscut Strip Mine from AQ that has a bit of another card on it. The owner had basically no interest in trading it for anything less than a Mox. This was like 8 years ago.

I have never, EVER seen another Antiquities card that was miscut on the back only. I have seen this from many other sets, including Alpha, Beta, Revised, Fallen Empires, The Dark, Alliances, and others.

This is an extremely playable card, AND it's a Vintage and EDH-played card.

However, you can't stick this in a deck and show it off, which limits its value somewhat.


It's a very nice misprint, for sure. I think $300-500 is probably a very fair price, and I might even take the $300 offer.


Thanks, this helps a ton! Keith Adams said something similiar this morning in a fb response and added "I'd suggest posting it in the misprint group, auction style." Do you have a pic of your Strip Mine? It'd be cool to see.

Also, Ben do you mind if I quote you on some of this info if I do post it in that group?

BIG EDIT:

Was thinking about creating a T/A like the below but in the misprint group on FB. Can you provide me some input? Honestly in all these years I've never done a T/A because it seemed like a hassle so looking for input. The point system may seem low but it's like that across the board so it shouldn't matter, right?

Hey, everyone. Last week I found a very rare Antiquities Strip Mine.

Front http://imgur.com/IgEk088
Back http://imgur.com/vKREKZ9
Mirror shot focused on back: http://imgur.com/lg2xQR8
Mirror shot focused on front: http://imgur.com/U9h4cZI

As you can see, the back was misprinted. With it being this type of error, Ben C said of it it's basically unfakeable. That's definitely a plus.¨ He had spent years looking for one, got one and knew of one other miscut Strip Mine from AQ that has a bit of another card on it. The owner had basically no interest in trading it for anything less than a Mox. This was like 8 years ago" when moxen were cheaper. He went on to say:
"I have never, EVER seen another Antiquities card that was miscut on the back only. I have seen this from many other sets, including Alpha, Beta, Revised, Fallen Empires, The Dark, Alliances, and others.
This is an extremely playable card, AND it's a Vintage and EDH-played card."
...
"It's a very nice misprint, for sure¨

After I picked this up last week I had planned to hold on to it and turned down some initial offers. Then, after showing pictures to Dan B at GP Omaha and talking with half a dozen others online in the past week about how long some people have searched for a Strip Mine like this and how rare it is I think I'd rather put it in the hands of a serious collector of these items and in return get a Vintage Card I'm unlikely to spend money on while my September wedding bills loom. "

Keith suggested I post an auction here, so I figured I'd do a trade auction sort of following the MOTL rules since I haven't seen any specifically spelled out here.

I've listed some cards I would be interested in below. I'm not looking for NM ones but I've tried to indicate point structure that includes those. I'm more just trying to get played cards that have no question of sleeve playability (no missing pieces, bends, warps, curves, creases, liquid damage, etc)

None of these please: Foils, CE, IE, Gold bordered, altered.

Points are more guides based off
- Lowest completed auctions I’ve seen
- Lowest cash prices I’ve seen in places like the High End Group in the past month or two as well
- Other sources
There is flexibility here, again this is more a guide to show priorities etc. They don’t correspond totally to dollars as the Strip Mine is so unique. I’m willing to listen to cases being made why 1 post is worth more than another. Ex: If someone bid a NM Unlimited Underground Sea + a NM Unlimited Tropical Island (475) but you feel your SP Mox Jet + FWB Plateau (461) are worth me let’s discuss


The minimum bid is set at 300 points. Suggested cards to bid with are below (Make a strong first bid to show you seriously want it so nobody will outbid you!). Bidding will last until 11pm CST Monday 1/19/2015. I will pay for insured postage to the lower 48. If you require more than that I'd ask that you cover shipping.

Duals:
Underground Sea - 3 Max (Unlimited, FBB, BB preferred but noted fwb options): Unlimited: 300 if NM, 209 if not NM. FBB 400. FWB 150.
Tropical Island - 1 Max (Unlimited, FBB, BB preferred but noted fwb options): Unlimited: 175 if NM, 118 if not NM. FBB 300 if NM, 180 if not. FWB 100 if NM, 78 if not.
Savannah - 3 Max (Unlimited, FBB, BB preferred but noted fwb options): Unlimited: 100 if NM, 65 if not NM. FBB 175 if NM, 144 if not. FWB xx if NM, 53 if not.
Plateau - Max (Unlimited, FBB, BB preferred but noted fwb options): Unlimited: 80 if NM, 42 if not NM. FBB 80 if NM, xx if not. FWB 35.
Badlands - 1 Max (Unlimited, FBB, BB preferred but noted fwb options): Unlimited: 100 if NM, 56 if not NM. FBB 150 if NM, 114 if not. FWB 50 if NM, 40 if not.
Taiga - 1 Max (Unlimited, FBB, BB preferred but noted fwb options): Unlimited: 80 if NM, 55 if not NM. FBB 150. FWB 48.
Scrubland - 2 Max (Unlimited, FBB, BB only): Unlimited: 80 if NM, 60 if not NM. FBB 150

Other reserved list items
Bazaar of Baghdad - 4 Max: 250 if NM, 175 if not NM)
Gaea's Cradle - 3 Max: English, 100 if NM, 80 if not NM. Foreign 80 if NM, suggest a price if not
The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale - 1 Max: Italian: 350 if NM, 330 if not NM. English if NM 500, 430 if not NM
Mishra's Workshop - 4 Max: 400 if NM, 344 if not NM)

Power:
Mox Pearl 800 if BGS/PSA Graded NM, 413 if not
Mox Ruby 801 if BGS/PSA Graded NM, 453 if not
Mox Emerald 802 if BGS/PSA Graded NM, 414 if not
Mox Jet 900 if BGS/PSA Graded NM, 426 if not
Mox Sapphire 1200 if BGS/PSA Graded NM, 716 if not
Timetwister: 500 if BGS/PSA Graded NM, 308 if not
Time Walk: 900 if BGS/PSA Graded NM, 560 if not
Ancestral Recall: 1250 if BGS/PSA Graded NM, 612 if not

More stuff:
Time Vault - 1 Max: Unlimited: 250 if NM, 176 if not.
Library of Alexandria - 1 Max: 250 if NM, 125 if not.
Chains of Mephistopheles - 3 Max: Italian 125. English 250 if NM, 152 if not NM
Playset of shock lands: 200 if all NM, 160 if not

Buyout:
Black Lotus (A guy can dream, right? I sold my only one for $300 plus a stack of cards in 2004): 3100 if graded EX, 2000 if not.

If you have the same thing as what someone else is offering you can '1 up' them by throwing in some combination of 'cheaper' cards from the below list:

Vedalkin Shackles (Modern Masters only): 7
Watery Grave: 5 if NM, 4 if not
Sacred Foundry: 5 if NM, 4 if not
Breeding Pool: 5 if NM, 4 if not
Steam Vents: 5 if NM, 4 if not
Toxic Deluge: 6 if NM, 4 if not
Cunning Wish: 2 if NM, 1 if not
Birds of paradise (Unlimited): 35 if NM, 15 if not.
Transmute Artifact: 30 if NM, 18 if not
Other Alpha/Beta/Unlimited/Reserved list cards
Cash always works as a bid. Let's call $1 = 1 point for these purposes.

I am LandDestroyer on MOTL where I've bought/sold/traded from small lots to $3,000 collections over the past 10+ years, receiving over 100 feedback all with perfect 5/5 scores. http://forums.magictraders.com/ubbmisc.cgi?action=getbio&UserName=LandDestroyer

I am ChristopherLeeGregory on ebay where I've done over 724 auctions since 2001 receiving 100% positive feedback during that time though only 692 have left feedback, silly people forgetting to) http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=christopherleegregory

I can also provide references from here and the high end group upon request. You will be sending first and I will be sending after receipt with insurance and signature required.


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LandDestroyer
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posted January 13, 2015 09:38 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for LandDestroyer Click Here to Email LandDestroyer Send a private message to LandDestroyer Click to send LandDestroyer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Well, it's up now.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/MTGmisprints/permalink/589462577864988/

Now I just have to wait for people who are interested in it to get off work and spend the next week deciding if they are willing to trade something sweet for it.

 
Tha Gunslinga
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posted January 16, 2015 08:59 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Tha Gunslinga Click Here to Email Tha Gunslinga Send a private message to Tha Gunslinga Click to send Tha Gunslinga an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Tha Gunslinga's Trade Auction or SaleView Tha Gunslinga's Trade Auction or Sale
Take the Tabernacle.
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posted January 16, 2015 09:07 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for LandDestroyer Click Here to Email LandDestroyer Send a private message to LandDestroyer Click to send LandDestroyer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
Take the Tabernacle.

Chris Tolley PM'd me "I should have a couple offers ready for you in the next day or two. " and I said the auction would last through 11pm CST 1/20 so I plan on waiting.

Any concerns? Was also going to type up a sort of way either of them could do a max bid scenario so that sniping isn't a thing. Thoughts?

 
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Set an end time, with a 5 minute popcorn rule. That means that any bid within the last 5 minutes automatically extends the bidding window another 5 minutes, and so on, until there are no more bids/minutes. I've been on other sales boards that frequently use that, and I like it.

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LandDestroyer
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posted January 16, 2015 10:39 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for LandDestroyer Click Here to Email LandDestroyer Send a private message to LandDestroyer Click to send LandDestroyer an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bigballashotcaller:
Set an end time, with a 5 minute popcorn rule. That means that any bid within the last 5 minutes automatically extends the bidding window another 5 minutes, and so on, until there are no more bids/minutes. I've been on other sales boards that frequently use that, and I like it.

Thanks, that's kind of what Chris T was suggesting too. The only problem with that is it kinda hoses people in other time zones so you can still deal with the 'sniping' aspect. That may be why Chris suggested a 6-12 hour timeframe instead of 5 minutes. What I'll probably do is type up a couple options and run them by both guys who seem the most interested.

Edit, and I guess any sort of specific end time does. That's why "max bids" are helpful.

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Tha Gunslinga
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posted January 18, 2015 10:42 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Tha Gunslinga Click Here to Email Tha Gunslinga Send a private message to Tha Gunslinga Click to send Tha Gunslinga an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Tha Gunslinga's Trade Auction or SaleView Tha Gunslinga's Trade Auction or Sale
If it were my Strip Mine, I would have taken far less than the Tabernacle, so I would suggest you take it and RUN.

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posted January 18, 2015 11:08 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for urza187 Click Here to Email urza187 Send a private message to urza187 Click to send urza187 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View urza187's Have/Want ListView urza187's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
If it were my Strip Mine, I would have taken far less than the Tabernacle, so I would suggest you take it and RUN.


This

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