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Originally posted by joz:
The problem with the system, is that it just doesn't work right.

Often time I'll go into a thread, click the "Show trade matchs" and it will show up with nothing, but then browse the lists and see that there are multiple have/wants on both sides.

It also has problems with #x desginations (like 3x) and wont match if your list says (2x)

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Make sure that both of the H/W threads (yours and theirs) have not been updated or posted within the last hour, as that's the most common issue with the trade matcher not picking stuff up. Misspellings, one list having a card as a foil and the other not being foil and people not leaving spaces on both sides of the card name (such as 1xCardName or 2 CardName-set) are other common issues that cause the trade matcher to not work.

I've never seen any issues with numbers, because the trade matcher doesn't ever take that into account, so I can't possibly see how that could matter. The only thing that the trade matcher does is looks for valid card names and matches them based on the lack or presence of a foil tag and possibly set.

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Originally posted by Skwirlnutz:
How much would it cost to update the site to vBulletin or something better?

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Google it.

I'm going to be honest. I find this thread really annoying. My recollection is that Leshrac is a lawyer and Inca911 is a chemical engineer. Chances are they work more in a month than we do in two. I work a full-time job and doubt I would have the time to overhaul much of anything (assuming I knew how). I write my own HTML when I have that sort of stuff that needs done, and I know how time consuming it can be. Multiply that by five, and you might be in the ballpark for coding MOTL's features.

Everybody reading this ought to remember that this is a private site owned by Leshrac. Maybe he doesn't want other people coding stuff for it, and like it or not, that's his right.

As far as I can recall, the PM system hasn't ever worked 100%, and we've adapted to that. AIM works, so does mIRC, or even email. Perhaps it isn't seen as a critical problem to those who could fix it becuase of that.

Also, Mirrodin Beseiged prices are in the price guide, so somebody must be paying attention to the site.

I suggest putting your money where your mouth is. Those of you who have the knowledge to code a Utopian MOTL, do it. But don't do it with the preconception that it will be utilized, because it may not. As I'm sure you've noticed, talking isn't getting anything done.

Im summary, I feel like a lot of (but not all) people are whining in this thread, and I dislike that.

I think the reason people might be upset or what you consider "whining" is that they don't even know whether Leshrac is ok with other people helping to update MOTL. I imagine there's more than enough people here who would donate money to update the forum software if Leshrac wanted them to, and I imagine there's more people besides me who would able to code things if they knew the code would be used. Of course since Leshrac owns the site it's his right to decide whether he wants things like that, but until he does decide there's nothing anybody can do but talk about it, as only him and Inca911 have access to actually change the site as far as I know.

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I'm going to be honest. I find this thread really annoying.

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You find a thread annoying that is full of wish list items and general ideas for improvements in the suggestion forum? Are you serious?

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My recollection is that Leshrac is a lawyer and Inca911 is a chemical engineer. Chances are they work more in a month than we do in two. I work a full-time job and doubt I would have the time to overhaul much of anything (assuming I knew how). I write my own HTML when I have that sort of stuff that needs done, and I know how time consuming it can be. Multiply that by five, and you might be in the ballpark for coding MOTL's features.

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You have no idea what you are talking about. Because someone has a full time job they have no time for anything else? Really? And you are basing this on.. what? speculation? I don't remember any posts from either that said they had to stop working on the site because of work.

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Everybody reading this ought to remember that this is a private site owned by Leshrac. Maybe he doesn't want other people coding stuff for it, and like it or not, that's his right.

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Of course that is his right, but this is also an interactive community and lately there hasn't been much done on here. This forum is specifically for ideas about the site. You realize the point of a suggestion forum is for... suggestions. Right?

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As far as I can recall, the PM system hasn't ever worked 100%, and we've adapted to that. AIM works, so does mIRC, or even email. Perhaps it isn't seen as a critical problem to those who could fix it becuase of that.

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So.. if it doesn't work, just deal with it. That's a great idea. Very progressive.

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Im summary, I feel like a lot of (but not all) people are whining in this thread, and I dislike that.

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Originally posted by Nitelite:
You find a thread annoying that is full of wish list items and general ideas for improvements in the suggestion forum? Are you serious?
Yes, I am. Wouldn't have said it otherwise.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Because someone has a full time job they have no time for anything else? Really? And you are basing this on.. what? speculation? I don't remember any posts from either that said they had to stop working on the site because of work.
What are you basing the idea that I don't know what I'm talking about on? Speculation? Must be, because it's not accurate. While I do not have detailed information on either of their private lives, I am familiar with the concept of working overtime. I also know how much work I want to do when I get home from my job, and can extrapolate that to how much I'd want to do if my job were that much harder, or if I had to work that many more hours. Is it perfect? No, but that doesn't mean it should be discounted as pure speculation.

Of course that is his right, but this is also an interactive community and lately there hasn't been much done on here. This forum is specifically for ideas about the site. You realize the point of a suggestion forum is for... suggestions. Right?

I do. I don't want to single anyone out, but as I said, I don't think everyone who has posted in this thread is whining. Some people have an unrealistic expectation of how this specific site works, and those are the people I find to be whining.

So.. if it doesn't work, just deal with it. That's a great idea. Very progressive.

My suggestion that the PM feature may not be high on the to-do list based on our ability to work around it is valid. This particular snippet is a mischaracterization of my overall message. The only cure for inaction is action. Perhaps if our admins saw a working version of the good ideas that have been posted on this thread, then they would be more willing/able to implement them.

Im summary, I feel like a lot of (but not all) people are whining in this thread, and I dislike that.

It sounds like YOU are the one whining and I dislike THAT. I don't think anyone is out of line posting features or ideas they would like to see. There is a lot of stuff that could be so much better here if there was someone actively working on the site. We don't have that currently but that is no reason not to discuss ideas and suggestions. Maybe one day.
You can probably see why I wouldn't agree with that

My point is discussion isn't going to get anything done. If we want stuff to get done so badly, we need to do it. For example, create your own BBS which can utilize the features you want to see used or improved on MOTL. Not for competition to MOTL, obviously, but to have a working sample of your code, so the admins can determine whether or not they'd like to add it-- and whether or not your coding skills are up to par for the site. I feel as though saying that you are willing to help with coding isn't as useful as actually coding.

I'm not talking about doing this stuff overnight, by the way. If this is something you want to do, take your time with it. An hour or two a week would do wonders-- but you guys already know that.

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