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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
You do have a right to comment. It's just that your "world of difference" is more nickles and dimes than anything else. So every once and awhile you have to spend a couple of extra minutes to remove extra tape off. Woohoo

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*shrug* I don't think that's even a slight exaggeration that using 1 piece of tape isn't remotely the same as a crapload of tape, but if you want to disagree go right ahead. I stand by the statement and think you're not even close in your nickles and dimes claim.

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Originally posted by Matt Conroy:
As long as they used a top-loader and the cards arrive fine than no harm no foul right? Maybe send them an e-mail explaining how they could improve their sending habits in the future. I just put cards into top loaders and scotch tape the top of them. I normally face the top of the sleeve down so the actual card can’t come into contact with the tape. I have never had an issue with this. I have shipped power, workshops, bazaars, duals, and so on. No one has ever said anything. If someone insisted on me using masking tape or do something else special I would insist they find someone else to trade with. I’m not going to run out to the store or keep special tape on hand just so you can be picky about the condition of your top-loaders. I guess if you trade on a daily basis that makes sense, but I think for most of us who have actual lives that would be an unnecessary hassle.

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
You ship power and you have a problem with people complaining about shipping in a way that may damage that $400 card they just bought?

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Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
Once again, nobody can comprehend how you could possibly damage your card from cutting the tape.

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Knife goes into toploader, nicks card. Not really any different than any other clumsy thing a human can do, like stubbing their toe or dropping a card while shuffling.

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
Knife goes into toploader, nicks card. Not really any different than any other clumsy thing a human can do, like stubbing their toe or dropping a card while shuffling.

And there's a different underlying point: He's unwilling to spend $2 to make multiple people happy regarding selling $400 cards. I would hope he never goes into customer service or sales...

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the point is most normal people are happy with his method of shipping. If someone damages a card they take responsibility and don't try to pass blame onto someone who really isn't at fault. You aren't that person who sued McDonald's for spilling coffee on themselves, are you?

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Originally posted by caquaa:
the point is most normal people are happy with his method of shipping. If someone damages a card they take responsibility and don't try to pass blame onto someone who really isn't at fault. You aren't that person who sued McDonald's for spilling coffee on themselves, are you?

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
Knife goes into toploader, nicks card. Not really any different than any other clumsy thing a human can do, like stubbing their toe or dropping a card while shuffling.

And there's a different underlying point: He's unwilling to spend $2 to make multiple people happy regarding selling $400 cards. I would hope he never goes into customer service or sales...

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I don’t see how that would be my shipping damaging the cards. That would be you being clumsy damaging the cards. If you are not comfortable using a knife than get a penny or a dime and just insert it in one of the open sides and slides the coin over breaking the tape. The penny is too thick to fall and knick the card if you drop it. Barring you intentionally ramming the penny into the case you really can’t damage your card. You also won’t have to worry about those sharp edges cutting you anymore either .

But really we are getting off topic and you are not missing the point. It is not about the $2 or what is better. Our point is it is not a big enough difference to warrant the change: 99.9% of traders are able to cut a top loader. I have never had an issue with my shipping so I adhere by the saying “If it isn’t broke don’t fix it.”

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
Knife goes into toploader, nicks card. Not really any different than any other clumsy thing a human can do, like stubbing their toe or dropping a card while shuffling.

And there's a different underlying point: He's unwilling to spend $2 to make multiple people happy regarding selling $400 cards. I would hope he never goes into customer service or sales...

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So if you tripped on the sidewalk after getting your package out of the mail and it landed in a puddle, would that be the sellers fault too?

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Originally posted by nderdog:
I stand by the statement and think you're not even close in your nickles and dimes claim.

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Then my only advice for you is don't trade. Simple as that. Invest your extra 3-5 minutes that you spend opening mail on something else, since your time is so precious that you can't be spending it peeling tape of all things.

When I get a toploader covered in tape, I peel it off. No bitching, no sensationalism, no "world of difference" crap. I keep my mouth shut, package up the cards needed to be sent and notify the trader that I received.
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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
Then my only advice for you is don't trade. Simple as that. Invest your extra 3-5 minutes that you spend opening mail on something else, since your time is so precious that you can't be spending it peeling tape of all things.

When I get a toploader covered in tape, I peel it off. No bitching, no sensationalism, no "world of difference" crap. I keep my mouth shut, package up the cards needed to be sent and notify the trader that I received.

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I never said that I refuse to open the mail or my time is too precious. I said that idiots who do such annoy the crap out of me, simple as that. I honestly don't even begin to understand how this is so offensive to you. If you use half a roll of tape for your packages, take it as advice that it's overkill and a waste of your money and frustrating to people receiving. If not, then what the hell does it matter to you? Last I checked, this thread was to discuss packaging methods, and I've done exactly that. I fail to see why this hurts you.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
I'm gonna wait a while til he forgets, then set up a trade w/ nderdog and use a whole roll of duct tape to "secure" the card inside the toploader. I'll make Professor Chaos proud. <insert evil laugh here>

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Yay! I won't even tell you how your package will arrive.

Actually, duct tape isn't really that bad. It peels off relatively easily compared to scotch tape, plus adds a bit of cushion to the cards.

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Originally posted by nderdog:

Actually, duct tape isn't really that bad. It peels off relatively easily compared to scotch tape, plus adds a bit of cushion to the cards.

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Is nderdog helping me to sabotage my shipping? <switches to scotch tape and scotch>

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Nderdog's point is valid. Only so much tape is needed to send cards. If you over tape, you're doing it wrong.

Most everybody else is also right. If you nick a card taking tape off a top loader, you're doing it wrong.

Also, yes some people overtape but they aren't purposely trying to damage your cards, even though it is wrong. Just give them friendly advice for future trades that they overtaped it. And if you nick the card because you can't figure out how to break scotch tape then thats your fault and you shouldn't give the other guy a 4 or less because of your mistake.

You also shouldn't give the guy a 4 or less if they use scotch tape, as thats what most people will use. I have never had a problem taking off scotch tape from a trade someone sent me.

So since I'm talking on this thread I mine as well explain how I send cards, since people seem to like the way I send them.

1-2 cards: 2 max in the sleeve and into the toploader. take a small piece of paper and fold it over the top so that it looks like you put tape on the top (but its just a piece of paper.) Then on both ends of the paper you apply one piece of tape. This is secure and also there is no contact with the cards and the tape.

3-4 cards: 2 max in a sleeve and use 2 toploaders. (One thing people commonly do wrong is they overstuff a toploader.. Thats how you damage cards) this time you put both toploaders together and then add the paper and do the 2 pieces of tape. Then this time you also apply 3 more pieces of tape on each edge to make sure they stay together.

5+ cards: 2 max in a sleeve in a toploader. Use two toploaders. Then what you do is you take everything over the 4 cards in the two toploaders and put them 2 per sleeve (DO NOT USE A PENNY SLEEVE FOR THIS)Use a playing sleeve or something, I prefer using the clear ultra pro sleeves but its your choice. Now put all the sleeves together once you have all the cards in them and tape the three edges excluding the top, so now it looks like one big sleeve. Apply the paper method in the first two examples above. Now line those up with the two toploaders. The two toploaders sandwich the non toploadered sleeves. Now tape the three edges of the 2 toploaders (with the non toploadered ones in the middle) and make sure one side of the non toploadered sleeves are on an edge (The tape will then stick to it so it doesn't move). Finally apply the paper method one last time with the toploader sandwich and your done.

I like then using bubble mailer as I just feel more comfortable sending it that way.

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Originally posted by stacker:
we srsly need pictures?

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Originally posted by NoblePurpose:
If someone uses scotch tape to tape the top of the toploader you shouldn't need a knife to cut it.. scotch tape is so fragile all I have to do is slide my finger through it.

Also, yes some people overtape but they aren't purposely trying to damage your cards, even though it is wrong. Just give them friendly advice for future trades that they overtaped it. And if you nick the card because you can't figure out how to break scotch tape then thats your fault and you shouldn't give the other guy a 4 or less because of your mistake.

You also shouldn't give the guy a 4 or less if they use scotch tape, as thats what most people will use. I have never had a problem taking off scotch tape from a trade someone sent me.

So since I'm talking on this thread I mine as well explain how I send cards, since people seem to like the way I send them.

1-2 cards: 2 max in the sleeve and into the toploader. take a small piece of paper and fold it over the top so that it looks like you put tape on the top (but its just a piece of paper.) Then on both ends of the paper you apply one piece of tape. This is secure and also there is no contact with the cards and the tape.

3-4 cards: 2 max in a sleeve and use 2 toploaders. (One thing people commonly do wrong is they overstuff a toploader.. Thats how you damage cards) this time you put both toploaders together and then add the paper and do the 2 pieces of tape. Then this time you also apply 3 more pieces of tape on each edge to make sure they stay together.

5+ cards: 2 max in a sleeve in a toploader. Use two toploaders. Then what you do is you take everything over the 4 cards in the two toploaders and put them 2 per sleeve (DO NOT USE A PENNY SLEEVE FOR THIS)Use a playing sleeve or something, I prefer using the clear ultra pro sleeves but its your choice. Now put all the sleeves together once you have all the cards in them and tape the three edges excluding the top, so now it looks like one big sleeve. Apply the paper method in the first two examples above. Now line those up with the two toploaders. The two toploaders sandwich the non toploadered sleeves. Now tape the three edges of the 2 toploaders (with the non toploadered ones in the middle) and make sure one side of the non toploadered sleeves are on an edge (The tape will then stick to it so it doesn't move). Finally apply the paper method one last time with the toploader sandwich and your done.

I like then using bubble mailer as I just feel more comfortable sending it that way.

I will post pictures of this today so you guys have a visual of it. Hope this helps!

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I don't give a 4 for using scotch tape, i give a 4 for using 3 or more layers of scotch tape over everything to the point that not only does it take me ages to get the toploaders open, but also runs the risk of damaging the cards.

If you use more than one piece of tape on any edge of a toploader, for any reason, you are doing it wrong. At the very least, if you're going to use multiple layers, use something like masking tape that peels off easily.

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
I don't give a 4 for using scotch tape, i give a 4 for using 3 or more layers of scotch tape over everything to the point that not only does it take me ages to get the toploaders open, but also runs the risk of damaging the cards.

If you use more than one piece of tape on any edge of a toploader, for any reason, you are doing it wrong. At the very least, if you're going to use multiple layers, use something like masking tape that peels off easily.

Again, while I do have a problem with using scotch tape (as it doesn't come off toploaders easily and makes for non-reusable toploaders), I have enough of a problem to give a lower ref when people use multiple layers of scotch tape.

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Again, this is not a post for debating what ref you give somebody because they used too much tape.

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Originally posted by Keaner:
Again, this is not a post for debating what ref you give somebody because they used too much tape.

Please stick to helpful and cheap sending tips that I can add to the main post.

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Fair, and here's my input:

Masking tape > scotch tape. It probably doesn't cost any more to use and is a lot better because:
A) It's easier to peel off toploaders, leading to less hassle opening toploaders.
B) As a result of coming off toploaders so much easier, it allows for toploaders to be reused a greater number of times.

Also, common throw-ins can be put in penny sleeves and sandwiched between toploaders. Sign a toploader, it's an unofficial tradition around here. Only use 2 cards per toploader, any more and you risk damaging cards.

1-2 cards: 2 max in the sleeve and into the toploader. take a small piece of paper and fold it over the top so that it looks like you put tape on the top (but its just a piece of paper.) Then on both ends of the paper you apply one piece of tape. This is secure and also there is no contact with the cards and the tape.

Demonstration:

Step 1:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000499.jpg

Step 2:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000500.jpg

Step 3:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000501.jpg

Step 4:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000502.jpg

3-4 cards: 2 max in a sleeve and use 2 toploaders. (One thing people commonly do wrong is they overstuff a toploader.. Thats how you damage cards) this time you put both toploaders together and then add the paper and do the 2 pieces of tape. Then this time you also apply 3 more pieces of tape on each edge to make sure they stay together.

Demonstration:

Step 1:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000503.jpg

Step 2:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000504.jpg

Step 3:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000505.jpg

5+ cards: 2 max in a sleeve in a toploader. Use two toploaders. Then what you do is you take everything over the 4 cards in the two toploaders and put them 2 per sleeve (DO NOT USE A PENNY SLEEVE FOR THIS)Use a playing sleeve or something, I prefer using the clear ultra pro sleeves but its your choice. Now put all the sleeves together once you have all the cards in them and tape the three edges excluding the top, so now it looks like one big sleeve. Apply the paper method in the first two examples above. Now line those up with the two toploaders. The two toploaders sandwich the non toploadered sleeves. Now tape the three edges of the 2 toploaders (with the non toploadered ones in the middle) and make sure one side of the non toploadered sleeves are on an edge (The tape will then stick to it so it doesn't move). Finally apply the paper method one last time with the toploader sandwich and your done.

Demonstration:

Step 1:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000506.jpg

Step 2:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000507.jpg

Step 3:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000508.jpg

Step 4:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000510.jpg