The Counterspell, meanwhile, is stuck to the window on the outside, and Noble's wearing your watch.

So here is my demonstration again, I hope it helps to anyone who would like tips on packing.

1-2 cards: 2 max in the sleeve and into the toploader. take a small piece of paper and fold it over the top so that it looks like you put tape on the top (but its just a piece of paper.) Then on both ends of the paper you apply one piece of tape. This is secure and also there is no contact with the cards and the tape.

Demonstration:

Step 1:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000499.jpg

Step 2:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000500.jpg

Step 3:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000501.jpg

Step 4:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000502.jpg

3-4 cards: 2 max in a sleeve and use 2 toploaders. (One thing people commonly do wrong is they overstuff a toploader.. Thats how you damage cards) this time you put both toploaders together and then add the paper and do the 2 pieces of tape. Then this time you also apply 3 more pieces of tape on each edge to make sure they stay together.

Demonstration:

Step 1:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000503.jpg

Step 2:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000504.jpg

Step 3:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000505.jpg

5+ cards: 2 max in a sleeve in a toploader. Use two toploaders. Then what you do is you take everything over the 4 cards in the two toploaders and put them 2 per sleeve (DO NOT USE A PENNY SLEEVE FOR THIS)Use a playing sleeve or something, I prefer using the clear ultra pro sleeves but its your choice. Now put all the sleeves together once you have all the cards in them and tape the three edges excluding the top, so now it looks like one big sleeve. Apply the paper method in the first two examples above. Now line those up with the two toploaders. The two toploaders sandwich the non toploadered sleeves. Now tape the three edges of the 2 toploaders (with the non toploadered ones in the middle) and make sure one side of the non toploadered sleeves are on an edge (The tape will then stick to it so it doesn't move). Finally apply the paper method one last time with the toploader sandwich and your done.

Demonstration:

Step 1:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000506.jpg

Step 2:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000507.jpg

Step 3:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000508.jpg

Step 4:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000510.jpg

Step 5:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000511.jpg

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Originally posted by NoblePurpose:
I am necroing this thread because recently there are quite a few people not sending to me with proper packing. Wether its not shipping with toploaders or not shippig with sleeves or toploaders :S

So here is my demonstration again, I hope it helps to anyone who would like tips on packing.

1-2 cards: 2 max in the sleeve and into the toploader. take a small piece of paper and fold it over the top so that it looks like you put tape on the top (but its just a piece of paper.) Then on both ends of the paper you apply one piece of tape. This is secure and also there is no contact with the cards and the tape.

Demonstration:

Step 1:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000499.jpg

Step 2:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000500.jpg

Step 3:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000501.jpg

Step 4:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000502.jpg

3-4 cards: 2 max in a sleeve and use 2 toploaders. (One thing people commonly do wrong is they overstuff a toploader.. Thats how you damage cards) this time you put both toploaders together and then add the paper and do the 2 pieces of tape. Then this time you also apply 3 more pieces of tape on each edge to make sure they stay together.

Demonstration:

Step 1:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000503.jpg

Step 2:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000504.jpg

Step 3:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000505.jpg

5+ cards: 2 max in a sleeve in a toploader. Use two toploaders. Then what you do is you take everything over the 4 cards in the two toploaders and put them 2 per sleeve (DO NOT USE A PENNY SLEEVE FOR THIS)Use a playing sleeve or something, I prefer using the clear ultra pro sleeves but its your choice. Now put all the sleeves together once you have all the cards in them and tape the three edges excluding the top, so now it looks like one big sleeve. Apply the paper method in the first two examples above. Now line those up with the two toploaders. The two toploaders sandwich the non toploadered sleeves. Now tape the three edges of the 2 toploaders (with the non toploadered ones in the middle) and make sure one side of the non toploadered sleeves are on an edge (The tape will then stick to it so it doesn't move). Finally apply the paper method one last time with the toploader sandwich and your done.

Demonstration:

Step 1:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000506.jpg

Step 2:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000507.jpg

Step 3:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000508.jpg

Step 4:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000510.jpg

Step 5:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww31/Liondragonx5y/P1000511.jpg

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
if you sent to me like this i would whine at you. any more than 1 card per sleeve is wrong and makes extraction of cards difficult.

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--Evil

Also people don't seem to understand that toploaders give a solid surface to protect the cards. I've received cards taped to the outside of toploaders. DO NOT DO THIS. It does not protect those cards against dents and dings in the mail sorting system. If you want to skimp on toploaders use a minimum of 2 toploaders and sandwich the cards between them.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
Anything more then 3 is excessive unless they are those thicker toploaders w/ more room. I hate when people cram 4 cards into 1 toploader and just neglect to use soft sleeves so they fit.

Also people don't seem to understand that toploaders give a solid surface to protect the cards. I've received cards taped to the outside of toploaders. DO NOT DO THIS. It does not protect those cards against dents and dings in the mail sorting system. If you want to skimp on toploaders use a minimum of 2 toploaders and sandwich the cards between them.

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Originally posted by dwiz:
2 cards in a top loader is hard for you to get out? Is that what I'm hearing?

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You don't know the difference between a sleeve and a top loader? Is that what I'm hearing?

If you're worried about sending a large quantity of cards, use a team bag. I've found them to be good for up to 50 cards. In the realm of 10 cards or so, if some are lower value than others, you could use 1 card per penny sleeve, 2 penny sleeves per toploader, for the more valuable cards. For the less valuable cards (throwins, etc) put them in penny sleeves sandwiched between the toploaders and tape them all with masking tape. It will protect the cards without a lot of excess expense.

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
any more than 1 card per sleeve is wrong and makes extraction of cards difficult.

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Uhh, how about no? 2-3 cards per sleeve is perfectly acceptable and not remotely difficult to extract. When talking about penny sleeves, you can often fit several more in when necessary with no problems. I regularly receive penny sleeves with 15 to 20 cards in them from online stores and have no problems at all slipping the cards out.

Another note - never under any circumstances under penalty of death should any penny or playing sleeve be taped to anything at all. Sandwich them between toploaders if needed, but only tape the toploaders to each other, leave the sleeves alone!

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Originally posted by nderdog:
Uhh, how about no? 2-3 cards per sleeve is perfectly acceptable and not remotely difficult to extract. When talking about penny sleeves, you can often fit several more in when necessary with no problems. I regularly receive penny sleeves with 15 to 20 cards in them from online stores and have no problems at all slipping the cards out.

Another note - never under any circumstances under penalty of death should any penny or playing sleeve be taped to anything at all. Sandwich them between toploaders if needed, but only tape the toploaders to each other, leave the sleeves alone!

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Yeah, I disagree with you on both points.

It's an extra one cent to use two penny sleeves instead of one. To not do so is both lazy and proof that you don't respect the cards as much as you should.

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
Yeah, I disagree with you on both points.

It's an extra one cent to use two penny sleeves instead of one. To not do so is both lazy and proof that you don't respect the cards as much as you should.

I find it perfectly acceptable to tape the sleeves directly to the toploaders if, for example, you're sending two money rares with a few throwins. Put the rares in individual sleeves and then into a toploader as usual, then put the throwins in a sleeve and tape the sleeves to the toploader with masking tape. This is one of those situations where using masking tape instead of scotch tape (which you should be doing anyway) makes an absolutely huge difference.

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It seems you are contradicting yourself here. You talk about 'respecting' the cards, yet you openly admit to treating two cards within the same shipment differently. Shouldn't all cards be packaged and shipped the same way if you truly 'respect' them.

It's not only one cent to use an additional sleeve (and I assume toploader) since that extra weight adds to the shipping cost. And if you trade/sell as much as some of MOTL's members do, that cost adds up quite quickly.

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Originally posted by OGB:

It seems you are contradicting yourself here. You talk about 'respecting' the cards, yet you openly admit to treating two cards within the same shipment differently. Shouldn't all cards be packaged and shipped the same way if you truly 'respect' them.

It's not only one cent to use an additional sleeve (and I assume toploader) since that extra weight adds to the shipping cost. And if you trade/sell as much as some of MOTL's members do, that cost adds up quite quickly.

Also, I've never traded with you before, so I'm curious if you mention to your trading partners the shipping methods you use. Do you expect everyone you trade with to use the one-card-per-sleeve method? For most shipments, nderdog is exactly correct: 2-3 cards per penny sleeve per toploader is probably the most universally accepted method of shipment on MOTL.

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Yes, I do expect people to treat their cards properly. Yes, I accept that I may have higher standards than most, but at least you know that the cards you get from me will have been handled and shipped with the utmost care.

No, I'm not contradicting myself; it's pretty obvious that a Tarmogoyf deserves more respect and delicate handling than a Chatter of the Squirrel, yet I'll trade for both. The Chatter doesn't need a toploader, but it at least needs a sleeve- its own sleeve- to keep it safe. The goyf damn well better be in a 'loader or we're having a little chat after I receive.

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
Yeah, I disagree with you on both points.

It's an extra one cent to use two penny sleeves instead of one. To not do so is both lazy and proof that you don't respect the cards as much as you should.

I find it perfectly acceptable to tape the sleeves directly to the toploaders if, for example, you're sending two money rares with a few throwins. Put the rares in individual sleeves and then into a toploader as usual, then put the throwins in a sleeve and tape the sleeves to the toploader with masking tape. This is one of those situations where using masking tape instead of scotch tape (which you should be doing anyway) makes an absolutely huge difference.

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It's okay, you can continue to be wrong.

Wasting sleeves and making less cards fit in toploaders is just plain stupid. 2 to 3 cards per sleeve is perfectly fine. It's not a matter of respect, it's a matter of not wasting resources and complicating matters. Cards are going to touch each other. They do in the packs, they do when you set them next to each other. Having them next to each other in a sleeve for shipping is not a big deal, and is standard practice for a reason.

Again, no tape should ever be applied directly to sleeves under any circumstances. I don't care what type of tape it is, there's no good reason for it and it's always going to increase the chances of damage. Why don't you respect your cards????

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
No, I'm not contradicting myself; it's pretty obvious that a Tarmogoyf deserves more respect and delicate handling than a Chatter of the Squirrel, yet I'll trade for both. The Chatter doesn't need a toploader, but it at least needs a sleeve- its own sleeve- to keep it safe. The goyf damn well better be in a 'loader or we're having a little chat after I receive.

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What's obvious to you is irrelevant. What is relevant are the rules that you agreed to abide by when you signed up to use this site. It is the sole responsibility of the sender to make sure that the cards in a trade arrive to the recipient in the stated condition. So if I'm sending a NM Tarmogoyf or a NM Chatter of the Squirrel you can bet I'm sending them both the same way - in a sleeve AND toploader. Any departure from that is unnecessarily risky.

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Originally posted by marriedwithchildren:
For crying out loud. To ensure that your cards are packaged the way that you want, be sure to include your specific instructions (as lame as some of them are) in your PMs when confirming. And by the way I have toploaders that I can fit a playset of cards with a penny sleeve in with NO PROBLEMS getting them out. They are for baseball card inserts.

QUIT YOUR WHINING!

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Those toploaders are the extra thick ones for baseball cards. And those are perfect for a playset of cards. Though most people use regular thin toploaders. The point that is trying to be made is please don't force 4+ cards into a thin toploader.

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
if you sent to me like this i would whine at you. any more than 1 card per sleeve is wrong and makes extraction of cards difficult.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ok... ok.... wait a minute.....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAAHAHAHA.....

I really hate to be mean most of the time, but in this case I just can't help myself. If you have difficulties removing more than 1 card from a soft penny sleeve you are THE MOST INEPT person on the face of the earth. Not kind of inept, not a little bit inept, but THE MOST inept.

You have the absolute most ridiculous packaging requirements that I've ever heard of in my entire history of collecting/buying/trading/selling sports cards and CCGs. Ever.

And EvilEmpire is correct. Anyone who has an issue with 3 properly packed cards inside 1 top loader is ridiculous too. They fit just fine, and I've never had a single complaint from ANYONE about doing it. I will agree that 4 is too many, but I don't whine and complain when someone sends me 4 either.

If you have difficulties removing 3 cards from a top loader, you just need to learn the proper method of removal. You don't DIG them out, you do this: Take the top loader and grasp it between your thumb and your other 3 fingers (not pinky) with the open end facing towards the pinky part of your hand. You will be grasping the edges (thin edges, not sides) of the top loader such that it is is perpendicular to your thumb and other fingers. Next, take your other hand and place it in front of you. Swiftly and accurately begin to tap your palms together as though you were clapping. TADA! The cards will magically come out of the top loader without damaging them!

I would even argue that putting 2-3 cards in one penny sleeve and then in a top loader is actually the safest method because it prevents shifting completely.

This thread has made me laugh more than any other thread I've seen on MOTL. Including the joke thread.

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Originally posted by PortlisX:
you do this: Take the top loader and grasp it between your thumb and your other 3 fingers (not pinky) with the open end facing towards the pinky part of your hand. You will be grasping the edges (thin edges, not sides) of the top loader such that it is is perpendicular to your thumb and other fingers. Next, take your other hand and place it in front of you. Swiftly and accurately begin to tap your palms together as though you were clapping. TADA! The cards will magically come out of the top loader without damaging them!

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Maybe I'm a little inept but I don't get it.

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Originally posted by PortlisX:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ok... ok.... wait a minute.....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAAHAHAHA.....

This thread has made me laugh more than any other thread I've seen on MOTL. Including the joke thread.

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