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Author	Topic: Silence Vs. Orim's Chant
MagicMan774 Banned	posted October 26, 2010 12:52 AM Alright Here's the options Silence (1) - Your opponents can't cast spells this turn. (Spells cast before this resolves are unaffected.) Orim's Chant (1) (1 Kicker) - (You may pay an additional W as you play this spell.) Target player can't play spells this turn. If you paid the kicker cost, creatures can't attack this turn. I gotta give it to silence, it target's all opponent's which is amazing in multiplayer an a pain in the ass. Orim's chant say's "Target". All someone needs is a leyline of sanctity , Spiritual Asylum Etc. I feel like silence is going to rise ridiculously once people start noticing this an start replacing orim's chant in there deck's with isochron scepter's Any thoughts?
Eatatjoes Member	posted October 26, 2010 12:54 AM Chant is better on a scepter, since it stops creatures from attacking.
MagicMan774 Banned	posted October 26, 2010 01:05 AM yah but for 3 mana total how many creature's do you honestly think they will be able to play AND ontop of that 90% of the deck's that use that combo are control deck's. Meaning that your deck should have cards like "Ghostly Prison , Propaganda , WoG Etc." Orim's Chant is incredibly overrated compared to silence
jaromirjagr Member	posted October 26, 2010 01:22 AM Chant is purely better because you get two great abilities a silence and a fog in one.If you play chant on a stick and you have the mana(sol ring etc)to keep doing it early game you can basically ask youre opponent if they want to play it out or just concede.Chant is better cuz no one wants to rely on a two card combo to shut an opponent down in silence and a propaganda etc when you can get it all in one card.Silence is still good.In t2 its not as usefull but on isochron it still is powerful.
MagicMan774 Banned	posted October 26, 2010 01:24 AM so why is they a huge price difference an your still paying the kicker for orim's chant idk i still feel like decks using that kinda combo will be a control deck so you shouldnt be that worried about creatures attacking an like i said if someone has a leyline of sanctity your whole orim's chant combo is pretty much screwed
jaromirjagr Member	posted October 26, 2010 01:39 AM Even if you play a control deck you have to watch what you counter and what to let go because you only have so many counters in hand.Chant is worth so much more than silence because you get silence in fog in one.The same principle applies to why force of will is worth $45 and counterspell is .50 cents.Small differences make a big deal in tournament winning decks.chant on a stick means game over.Silence on a stick means I still have a chance.
MagicMan774 Banned	posted October 26, 2010 01:44 AM i suppose i still stick by my point of leyline of sanctity an someone can still win with either on the stick as you say. in response counterspell / silence / etc. just gotta play smart
pak167 Member	posted October 26, 2010 11:21 AM yea chant can stop creature whereas silence doesn't... for example.. in legacy.. where people play standstill.. they dont cast spells.. they go around it with aether vial and manlands... but if you get two in one like chant those are still useless against you since they can't attack.. while if you play silence they can attack which for those decks... your helping them... 2 in 1 is always better... its like having a free spell __________________ Bay Area Legacy/EDH Group
MagicPatty Member	posted October 26, 2010 11:32 AM are you saying Silence is better because they might have Leyline of Sanctity? Isn't that like saying Giant Spider is better than Lotus Cobra because they might have a bolt? Chant is better because in order for it to actually be worse they have to have a Leyline of Sanctity down...right?
hilikuS Member	posted October 26, 2010 12:21 PM Is Scepter Chant even good in Legacy? __________________ Originally posted by Gawain: Have you HAD gravy???
thror Member	posted October 26, 2010 12:38 PM quote: Originally posted by hilikuS: Is Scepter Chant even good in Legacy? No. the only time either of these spells (chant / silence) see play is out of storm decks, to keep the opponent from breaking the combo. Chant is higher priced because it's old, and used to be very strong, so the nostalgia factor adds to that. Silence started out as a $5+ card, and people have since then played with it and found it to be a junk rare. Unless you can continually cast it turn after turn, neither card really does anything. They dont advance your board, and they dont undo something the opponent has already done. at least chant can fog them.... __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there." [16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted
drifter Member	posted October 26, 2010 12:41 PM Chant by a mile...For the scepter combo..
Morbid- Member	posted October 26, 2010 12:45 PM quote: Originally posted by hilikuS: Is Scepter Chant even good in Legacy? No, because of Krosan Grip. The price difference is really based on the fact that Silence was mass printed in M10 and M11, and Orim's Chant was printed a good amount of time ago in Planeshift. I prefer a split, actually. Obviously Chant has a more relevant kicker, but if you're playing Legacy, chances are Silence will save your ass in a few games because of the white Leyline. That said, kicking Chant is not a realistic option, I've only managed to do it profitably maybe once or twice.
hilikuS Member	posted October 26, 2010 01:01 PM Yeah I'm pretty sure the only reason Chant was valuable was because of scepter chant. So I can't imagine a strictly worse Chant is going to go crazy. __________________ Originally posted by Gawain: Have you HAD gravy???
stu55 Member	posted October 26, 2010 01:05 PM Why does this have a whole thread to it and not in the Post for magic stuff?
MagicMan774 Banned	posted October 26, 2010 01:07 PM + when orim's chant is on the scepter you cant pay the additional kicker correct? an idk i still like silence better like i said though the main difference is silence says "opponents" an orim's chant say's "target player" there's too mayn card's that screw up combo's when the text say's "target player" because your targetting but ya idk
airwalk Member	posted October 26, 2010 01:08 PM I play two of each and two Abeyances in my T1 Parfait deck =p. I almost never use the kicker because creatures are a non-issue so Silence usually is better (for my deck). I vaguely remember the kicker on chant being useful in Rebel decks to stop Blinding Angel from ruining your day back in T2, it also really screwed up Fires plans. [Edited 2 times, lastly by airwalk on October 26, 2010]
JoshSherman Member	posted October 26, 2010 03:38 PM quote: Originally posted by MagicMan774: + when orim's chant is on the scepter you cant pay the additional kicker correct? That is not correct. __________________ MafiaBassJoshweekLetter Bombs!PricesGathererLogout <Tranderas> damn
MagicMan774 Banned	posted October 26, 2010 03:40 PM ah thought thats how it would work my fault eiter way i still like silence better especially in multiplayer
Malice327 Member	posted October 26, 2010 04:19 PM The point about silence hitting all opponents in multiplayer is moot. In multiplayer, you're stopping the active player from playing sorceries, and permanents other than land. The non active opponents, you're stopping them from playing.... nothing? The only thing they could play would be spells at instant speed, and you're only limiting them to playing in response to silence, as opposed to in response to something else that turn. Example: I have no blockers, you want to kill me with creatures, so, you silence me to stop me from playing a fog effect during the combat step. In response to silence, i fog. Your only upside, is that you didn't tap your creatures. Chant imo, is by far better. In my play group, putting something like chant or silence on scepter generally gets you dead first. [Edited 2 times, lastly by Malice327 on October 26, 2010]

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