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Originally posted by Hermann -ICE-:
the people that don't have access to LGSs.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
the same people that aren't playing in sanctioned tournaments to even get the player rewards?

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so i never get any prize cards from winning
and now i wont get any in the mail either

kinda seems like a waste of $5 every week now.

also on a side note.. are shops going out of business and are current owner was pretty corrupt
we cant get new players because no one wants to play at his location

hes shutting down soon anyway
so all the players from my town and surrounding towns have no place to play

im just hope'n someone opens a new shop
someone who actualy enjoys magic and gameing and D&D and caters to the players rather then sucking the ass of the "regulars"

we have NO judge by the way wich is also pretty messed up

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
Please learn the different between "are" and "our". It will make reading your posts a lot easier.

That said, I am disappointed. Our shop owner is stingy and conveniently "forgets" to give out promos; MPR were also a highlight for me, cause even when I would have a streak of poor play I would get the rewards in the mail and cheer up a bit. So I am sad to see them go, but it's more money for Wizard's I guess, so I can't complain too hard about doing what they think will make them the most money

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I always wondered how the program was worhtwhile because I'm sure the postage costed more than the cards did. I think we should reserve judgement of this move until we see the fruits of the reallocation of its funds. They could end up spending twice as much making promo cards and still saving a boatload of money.

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Originally posted by slurpee:
Why even use your real DCI number now if they don't count for anything...

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Originally posted by Tranderas:
For competitive players, the DCI points still count for byes at major tournaments.

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Wrong points Tiger! Uhhgg...reading this thread hurt my brain. There are so many grammatical errors in those posts.

This is certainly going to hurt the stores with smaller FNM numbers. Many of their customers go for the rewards and to have a better chance of winning. In my area we have 6-7 local stores within 40 miles of my house. The stores with the higher numbers are almost always full of highly ranked players. They don't really care about the rewards as much. The less experienced players love getting those free cards for going out each week and playing. I think that's where we'll see the greatest drop in attendance.

Also: You seem to have missed my point. If you were to falsify your DCI # and use someone else's, you wouldn't be able to improve your rating even in absence of the MPR. This would prevent you from earning +rating to get byes at major tournaments, which matters to you if (like me) you are competitive and are trying to earn byes.

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Originally posted by Jonnyjonski:
This is certainly going to hurt the stores with smaller FNM numbers.

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I strongly disagree with this. As a TO for a small FNM, this barely affects my players at all. Sure, there's the idea of the cool cards just for playing, but the fact is, every single player that plays in every single event that I run (weekly FNM, 2HG every other weekend, all free) leaves with at least one promo card. At Core level (If I can get Core here in Tillamook, it shouldn't be that hard for anywhere that used to have FNM, local store or not) I actually am planning to have a New Years Eve party just to get rid of the excess of promos that we have, and we just started getting any cards at all back in like June or something. The MPR cards are a small fraction of what they will get from playing. Up the cool factor of the promos to make people say "Wow, cool, a foil Day of Judgment" rather than "Why the hell are they giving me a card for winning FNM that I can't even play?" and that will go much further toward keeping people playing locally than anything else I can think of.

As for people not having a local game store, if you want to play sanctioned events locally, look around and I can almost guarantee you can find something suitable. Our "store" is nothing more than a used video game store that had a couple people who wanted to play Magic while on the clock. They set up an account with Wizards, sell some packs, and they're allowed to call themselves a WotC store and maintain sanctioning. It's just a matter of not thinking that "gaming store" has to mean a full Magic store with singles and all kinds of other card games and stuff. Show the locals with gaming-related stores that they can make a profit off of the packs, charge a nominal fee for people to play there, whatever it takes to make them see that it won't be a drain but a benefit, and you're all set. I've tried to be sure that I handle all tournament activities and try to inconvenience the store as little as possible (granted, it does help that the employees all play in the tournaments, so they're a bit more willing to work with me) so that they're less likely to decide it's not worth it.

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I feel like if they take all the cash they've now saved from not sending player rewards, and give sanctioned events even more prize support, it not only gives the stores a huge leg up, but you'll probably get more out of it.

What if the winner of an event got something on par with a foil DOJ? If you went 20 times, won once, it's the exact same thing.

To me it works out like, a lot of stores have a tough enough time keeping magic a profitable business as it is, especially in my area. The stores are where MTG sells a lot of their product. So it's in their best interest to get as many people into those small stores as you can. Give them incentive to show up regularly. Seems like the best way to do that is to give the stores even better prize support for FNM, pre-releases, what have you.

Obviously this is an "if" clause here, but I'm going to guess that stores will receive more prize support because they dropped the MPR. That means better overall for the player, at least the way I see it, and better for the stores.

Many players stop playing once they reach the level of Bi(s) they want at the GP or pro level. So now hey you can play and just get a new DCI number.

Since your dci number doesn't count for rewards, if one does not play at the advanced level and just at FNM, DCI is more of a status symbol. once you reach 1950+ a 3-1 night on a Friday sometimes will get you negative DCI points.

Nothing like beating the neighborhood pro only to have to him say "no worries I used my brand new DCI number tonight"

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Originally posted by slurpee:
What I was trying to say was if you just want to play a cool deck but don't want to hurt your dci rating, why use your DCI number for that tournament. With rotation or a new set, no one is quite sure what deck to play so many experienced players wait a couple of weeks before playing. Now hey just sign up for a new dci card and you are off and running.

Many players stop playing once they reach the level of Bi(s) they want at the GP or pro level. So now hey you can play and just get a new DCI number.

Since your dci number doesn't count for rewards, if one does not play at the advanced level and just at FNM, DCI is more of a status symbol. once you reach 1950+ a 3-1 night on a Friday sometimes will get you negative DCI points.

Nothing like beating the neighborhood pro only to have to him say "no worries I used my brand new DCI number tonight"

As for grammar I don't care, so don't bother correcting mine.

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You don't even need to be 1950+ to get negative pts at FNM by going 3-1. My LCS has two other 1800s, a few 1700s, and a butt load of 1600s. I am slightly above 1850, and the only way I would not lose points is to go 3-0-1 at the very least.

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Originally posted by slurpee:
What I was trying to say was if you just want to play a cool deck but don't want to hurt your dci rating, why use your DCI number for that tournament. With rotation or a new set, no one is quite sure what deck to play so many experienced players wait a couple of weeks before playing. Now hey just sign up for a new dci card and you are off and running.

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I say the loss of MPR is BS because MPR basically equates to poker's rakeback systems. In rakeback, you get back a % (20-30%)of the money you give to the company, usually on a weekly basis. Most poker sites don't tell you about rakeback, and you have to equip your account with it when you sign up; much harsher than the DCI rules where it just states you sign up at some point. For example if you sign up for a $1 + 0.20 tourny, that 0.20 is going straight to Fulltilt. With rakeback you get a % of that back. Granted that % is pennies in this example but what happens when you start multitabling 8 at a time, 100+ a day; or even more common just going to higher stakes where the % can be dollars instead of cents.

If these poker sites got rid of Rakeback, I think a large majority of players would quit (these players being those that play everyday to where rakeback is relevant). Luckily, WOTC doesn't have a large % of players who would go to that extreme, which is in a way unfortunate because nothing is ever done in protest against WOTC.