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yakusoku Member	posted December 01, 2010 09:54 AM 4-Card Blind (4CB) is a very unique game. The rules are as follows: * Your deck is composed of 4 cards, all of which start in your hand. * You have no library (technically, the library exists, but starts at 0 cards) and no sideboard (Wishes fetch nothing). * Random effects always go against the owner of the card. * You can see your opponent's hand, so you can always make the best possible play. * You don't lose as a result of not being able to draw a card. * You will play each opponent twice, once going first, once going second. * For each win, you score 3. * For each draw, you score 1. * For each loss, you get nothing. * A subgame played with the card Shahrazad will result in an incomplete game and both players will receive ZERO points, since the main game cannot be resumed. Neither player loses or draws, so neither player earns any points. * Other than the aforementioned, EVERYTHING IS HANDLED EXACTLY LIKE A REAL GAME OF MAGIC! Remember, it is important for your deck to include a way to cast your cards! (Lands, artifact mana, pitch cards, etc.) If you want to play PM me a message in this format. Subject should include "Vanishing 4-Card Blind" (Just click on the little PM icon above my post and it should work out that way.) Card #1 Card #2 Card #3 Card #4 Be sure you really are happy with your deck before you submit. Once you send in a deck, there is no changing it except in the case of an illegal entry. Please make every effort to spell your card names correctly. It makes it easier for everyone. Thanks. The "Vanishing" part is the twist. To start off with, only Unglued, Unhinged and Ante cards are banned. After each round, the 4 cards in the winning deck plus any cards in more than 1/3 of the decks played will be banned for all future rounds. Any lands that only provide mana are exempted from the banning rules. --------------Current banned list-------------- All Unglued cards All Unhinged cards All Ante cards All cards not appearing in Gatherer (World Champion, Shichifukujin Dragon, cards from a new set not yet released, etc.) Lands: Blinkmoth Nexus Dark Depths Dryad Arbor Gemstone Caverns Ghost Quarter Great Furnace Karakas Maze of Ith Mishra's Factory Mishra's Workshop Mutavault Piranha Marsh Rishadan Port Shelldock Isle Sheltered Valley Strip Mine The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale Tarnished Citadel Undiscovered Paradise Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth Wasteland Colorless: Emrakul, the Aeon Torn Kozilek, Butcher of Truth Pathrazer of Ulamog Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre Artifacts: Arcbound Ravager Black Lotus Chalice of the Void Chrome Mox Darksteel Brute Eater of Days Energy Chamber Ensnaring Bridge Epochrasite Isochron Scepter Jhoira's Toolbox Lion's Eye Diamond Lodestone Golem Lotus Bloom Lotus Petal Mana Crypt Mana Vault Memnite Mox Emerald Mox Jet Mox Pearl Mox Ruby Mox Sapphire Myr Battlesphere Myr Servitor Ornithopter Phyrexian Dreadnought Platinum Angel Pithing Needle Scalding Tongs Sol Ring Sphere of Resistance Steel Overseer Tel-Jilad Stylus The Rack Thorn of Amethyst Time Vault Trinisiphere Voltaic Key Wurmcoil Engine Multi-Colored: Lightning Helix Meddling Mage Wilt-Leaf Liege Black: Bitterblossom Blackmail Blind Creeper Cabal Therapy Contaminated Ground Corpulent Corpse Dark Ritual Death's Shadow Delirium Skeins Diabolic Edict Dread Duress Encroach Evil Presence Funeral Charm Gatekeeper of Malakir Hymn to Tourach Inquisition of Kozilek Mesmeric Fiend Mind Swords Nether Spirit Raving Oni-Slave Reanimate Sarcomancy Sinkhole Skittering Skirge Smallpox Snuff Out Tendrils of Despair Thoughtseize Unmask Vampire Hexmage Wretched Anurid Blue: Brainstorm Cloud of Faeries Confiscate Cursecatcher Daze Energy Field Flash Foil Force of Will Force Spike Frost Titan Indentured Djinn Kira, Great Glass Spinner Leyline of Anticipation Leyline of Singularity Sea's Claim Show and Tell Sphinx of Jwar Isle Tidal Warrior Web of Inertia Words of Wind Green: Basking Rootwalla Channel Durkwood Baloth Elvish Lookout Elvish Spirit Guide Helix Pinnacle Lush Growth Reckless Wurm Rogue Elephant Scythe Tiger Skyshroud Cutter Tukatongue Thallid Woodfall Primus Words of Wilding Red: Artifact Blast Barbed Shocker Boldwyr Heavyweights Burning Inquiry Crack the Earth Form of the Dragon Goblin Guide Goblin Welder Greater Gargadon Keldon Halberdiers Lightning Bolt Magus of the Moon Raze Seething Song Simian Spirit Guide Sneak Attack Sonic Seizure Words of War White: Balance Cenn's Tactician Chain of Vapor Decree of Justice Elspeth, Knight-Errant Isamaru, Hound of Konda Ivory Giant Knight of Sursi Leyline of Sanctity Loyal Sentry Oblivion Ring Path to Exile Preacher Purity Restore Balance Runed Halo Student of Warfare Swords to Plowshares Banned Decks (History) Round 1: first of the first, ryan2754 Black Lotus Indentured Djinn Force of Will Kira, Great Glass Spinner Round 2: second only to the first round winner, Tim Shaffer: Mishra's Workshop Trinisphere Ensnaring Bridge Scalding Tongs Round 3: reclaiming the title, Tim Shaffer: Balance Crystal Vein The Rack Mox Pearl Round 4: if it weren't for that Meddling yakusoku: Karakas Leyline of Singularity Meddling Mage Mox Sapphire Round 5: triple-teamed by Battle_of_Twits, Celeborn006, and ryan2754: Mountain Burning Inquiry Lion's Eye Diamond Reckless Wurm Burning Inquiry Plateau Mox Ruby Cenn's Tactician Gemstone Caverns Force Spike Tropical Island Durkwood Baloth Round 6: 1-2 punch from MasterWolf and Jtrade77: Bitterblossom Sheltered Valley Mox Jet Maze of Ith Icatian Store Icatian Store Wilt-Leaf Liege Wilt-Leaf Liege Round 7, naming your cards and eating your brains, Battle_of_Twits: Swamp Cabal Therapy Sarcomancy Tel-Jilad Stylus Round 8, two mana is too much for Celeborn006: Daze Tundra Path to Exile Isamaru, Hound of Konda Round 9, with ZERO total creature spells, coinmagic45 and yakusoku: Strip Mine Sol Ring Isochron Scepter Lightning Helix Mox Emerald Strip Mine Sol Ring Words of Wilding Round 10, with artifacts, artifacts, and more artifacts, Battle_of_Twits: Mana Crypt Mana Crypt Arcbound Ravager Lodestone Golem Round 11, with lands, lands, and more lands, Battle_of_Twits: The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale Ghost Quarter Mutavault Mishra's Factory Round 12, smells like Nether Spirit - coinmagic45: Lotus Bloom Nether Spirit Smallpox Thoughtseize Round 13, take two - MasterWolf and Battle_of_Twits: Ancient Tomb Wasteland Epochrasite Sphere of Resistance Artifact Blast Simian Spirit Guide Mountain Keldon Halberdier Round 14, it takes TWO baby - damnthedoodle and yakusoku: Undiscovered Paradise Helix Pinnacle Blackmail Swords to Plowshares Saprazzan Cove Web of Inertia Sphinx of Jwar Isle Darksteel Brute Round 15, what a shocker - Battle_of_Twits: Crystal Vein Lotus Petal Seething Song Barbed Shocker Round 16, a deck so nice, it got played twice - Battle_of_Twits and yakusoku: Swamp Dark Ritual Delirium Skeins Basking Rootwalla Round 17, winning with a 2-D Avatar, yakusoku: Dark Depths Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth Duress Vampire Hexmage Round 18, he can't lose the game - coinmagic45 Subterranean Hangar Subterranean Hangar Gatekeeper of Malakir Platinum Angel Round 19, showing you can't spell "Greater Gargadon" without "GG" - coinmagic45: Raze Mountain Dryad Arbor Greater Gargadon Round 20, one point is all it takes - coinmagic45: Swamp Evil Presence Encroach Corpulent Corpse Round 21, Channeling his life into a winner - WCFmo: Elvish Spirit Guide Elvish Spirit Guide Channel Emrakul, the Aeons Torn Round 22, Rookie of the Round - Myy Icatian Store Icatian Store Purity Runed Halo Round 22, played by over 1/3 of the field (3/8): Skittering Skirge Round 23, Annihilating your permanents, wayne: Mercadian Bazaar Mercadian Bazaar Sneak Attack Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre Round 23, played by over 1/3 of the field (3/7): Dread Round 24, Myr money, Myr problems - Liq: Swamp Myr Servitor Myr Servitor Myr Servitor Round 25, played by over 1/3rd of all players (3/7): Goblin Guide Pithing Needle Round 25, 'cause you gotta have faith - yakusoku: Icatian Store Icatian Store Faith's Fetters Eternal Dragon Round 26, Foiled by coinmagic45: Island Sand Silos Foil Kozilek, Butcher of Truth Round 27, he's in your tourney, takin' your turns - coinmagic45: City of Traitors Blinkmoth Nexus Time Vault Voltaic Key Round 28, leaving you with no hand, no land, or no life - wayne: Peat Bog Sinkhole Unmask Raving Oni-Slave Round 29, Magus of the Mooning everyone else - yakusoku: Chrome Mox City of Traitors Magus of the Moon Words of War Round 30, keeping us in suspense with Suspend, coinmagic45: Gemstone Mine Restore Balance Ivory Giant Chain of Vapor Round 31, a thorn in our sides, MAB_Rapper: Ancient Tomb Ancient Tomb Thorn of Amethyst Eater of Days Round 31, played by over 1/3rd of players: Sea's Claim Round 32, winning with all creatures and no creatures, Magic1264 and MAB_Rapper: Saprazzan Skerry Energy Field Piranha Marsh Words of Wind City of Traitors Steel Overseer Steel Overseer Ornithopter Round 33, winning with one card tied behind his back, WCFmo: Leyline of Sanctity Inquisition of Kozilek Student of Warfare Scrubland Round 34, winning through the fyre and flames, Alexisonfyre: Tarnished Citadel Lush Growth Lightning Bolt Death's Shadow Round 35, widening the gap between him and the rest of the mortals, coinmagic45: City of Traitors Leyline of Anticipation Phyrexian Dreadnought Phyrexian Dreadnought Round 36, annihilating the opposition, yakusoku: Swamp Funeral Charm Reanimate Pathrazer of Ulamog Round 37, junichi activate! Form of the Dragon! Island Shelldock Isle Brainstorm Form of the Dragon Round 38, easy as 1-2-3, spell, creature, win, from wayne: Peat Bog Contaminated Ground Hymn to Tourach Wretched Anurid Round 39, winning with a rogue strategy, WCFmo: Cursecatcher Tidal Warrior Rogue Elephant Tropical Island Round 40, he's Fiendish, Diabolic, Creepy, and uh... Boggy - coinmagic45 Mesmeric Fiend Diabolic Edict Blind Creeper Peat Bog Round 41, blue spell + blue spell + blue spell = win, coinmagic45: Sand Silos Show and Tell Frost Titan Confiscate Round 42, the answer to life, the universe, and everything - junichi: Preacher Elspeth, Knight-Errant Remote Farm City of Traitors Round 43, Tiger, tiger burning bright. In the Forest/Swamp - Alexisonfyre: Bayou Memnite Tendrils of Despair Scythe Tiger Round 44, flashing everyone, er... uh... bringing out a big, green dumb guy whenever he could play an instant - yakusoku: Saprazzan Skerry Flash Cloud of Faeries Woodfall Primus Round 45, winning without paying mana for spells - yakusoku: Bayou Tukatongue Thallid Mind Swords Skyshroud Cutter Round 45, played by over 1/3rd of the field (3/7): Boldwyr Heavyweights Round 46, armed with all the right tools to beat everyone else - Myy: City of Traitors Jhoira's Toolbox Chalice of the Void Energy Chamber Round 47, Look out! It's coinmagic45 with another win: Bayou Rishadan Port Elvish Lookout Snuff Out Round 48, sending his opponents into Oblivion - yakusoku: Icatian Store Icatian Store Oblivion Ring Decree of Justice Round 49, winning the battle and the round - NumotFlame96: Goblin Welder Sonic Seizure Great Furnace Myr Battlesphere Round 50 - winning with a big artifact creature? This looks familiar, NumotFlame96: Mana Vault Mana Vault Wurmcoil Engine Ancient Tomb Round 51 - two mana is too much for coinmagic45: Plateau Crack the Earth Loyal Sentry Knight of Sursi --------------End of Banning list-------------- I will try and post a new round every Monday, allow submissions through Wednesday, reveal deck lists first thing on Thursday and review results posted over the weekend. NO MISE DECKS! Any deck submitted MUST have some win condition. Any deck that can do no better than a draw against any possible deck will be rejected. A deck that can't win any game is mathematically eliminated from winning the round, and thus would just be taking a chance to win away from someone who could actually have a shot. ALL players will assist in judging. The way this will work is that after the submission period is over, After all decks are revealed, judge your own deck against every other deck (going first and going second). Post your findings here in this thread. They will be reviewed by everyone for accuracy. Once a winner is determined the winners deck will be added to the banned list and the next round will begin. Repeated failure to do your own scoring will result in suspensions! The Winners List (Games won): 13 coinmagic45 11 yakusoku 7 Battle_of_Twits 3 wayne WCFmo 2 Alexisonfyre Celeborn006 junichi MAB_Rapper MasterWolf Myy NumotFlame96 ryan2754 Tim Shaffer 1 damnthedoodle Jtrade77 Liq Magic1264 Suspensions for Round 52 (failure to score Round 51): Absurd90 Decklists: 1. Magic1264 Hollow Trees Hollow Trees City of Traitors Crush of Wurms 2. yakusoku City of Traitors Grim Monolith Grim Monolith Ulamog's Crusher 3. mattw Swamp Swarmyard Nezumi Shortfang Doom Blade 4. coinmagic45 Badlands Gods' Eye, Gate to the Reikai Shadow Guildmage Boom/Bust 5. MAB_Rapper Spectral Procession Gaze of Justice Icatian store Icatian Store 6. junichi Lich's Mirror Ancient Tomb Keldon Megaliths Sandstone Needle 7. Liq Leyline of Vitality Wheel of Sun and Moon Raise the Alarm Remote Farm 8. Numotflame96 Tolarian Academy Thopter Foundry Sword of the Meek Ancient Den 9. Battle_of_Twits Saprazzan Skerry Hall of the Bandit Lord Academy Researchers Eldrazi Conscription 10. WCFmo Reef Shaman Stormscape Apprentice Mother of Runes Tundra 11. Myy Flagstones of Trokair Angel's Grace Pact of the Titan Pact of the Titan [Edited 6 times, lastly by yakusoku on December 03, 2010]
yakusoku Member	posted December 01, 2010 09:58 AM Because of the holiday weekend and late scoring, I will accept decks until tomorrow night and post lists FRIDAY morning.
coinmagic45 Member	posted December 01, 2010 07:01 PM In!
Numotflame96 Member	posted December 02, 2010 02:56 PM woohoo. totally not playing artifacts this round... for the first time!!!
junichi Moderator	posted December 02, 2010 03:11 PM It is safe to say I have the most interesting and horrible deck in this round. For me to win, I need to first lose. __________________ 40 Eye of Ugin and 4 foil Eye of Ugin for Black Lotus!? "lol you'll see when these go for 50 bucks a piece in a couple months, you're just jealous. !" - Marciano 315 03/17/2010
yakusoku Member	posted December 02, 2010 03:58 PM quote: Originally posted by junichi: It is safe to say I have the most interesting and horrible deck in this round. For me to win, I need to first lose. It's always an interesting deck that makes me Google one of the cards and re-read it to make sure I understand what's going on. quote: Numotflame96 woohoo. totally not playing artifacts this round... for the first time!!! Also, not a legal deck. I just re-checked. You can't beat this deck: Island Island Island Island You also can't beat any other deck if they play optimally.
mattw Member	posted December 02, 2010 04:52 PM I think Junichi is just trying to get on our heads. He's going all Morpheus on us
Numotflame96 Member	posted December 02, 2010 06:42 PM quote: Originally posted by yakusoku: It's always an interesting deck that makes me Google one of the cards and re-read it to make sure I understand what's going on. Also, not a legal deck. I just re-checked. You can't beat this deck: Island Island Island Island You also can't beat any other deck if they play optimally. well...i guess so much for that deck...plan B time...so depresing since if it were legal it would have wrecked...also the deck of island,island,island,island coudn't be played since it can't win. mine could win if the opponent even trys to win at all...sumbited different deck any way edit: eh i found a way to make it work now...maybe next week [Edited 2 times, lastly by Numotflame96 on December 02, 2010]
coinmagic45 Member	posted December 02, 2010 08:57 PM quote: Originally posted by Numotflame96: well...i guess so much for that deck...plan B time...so depresing since if it were legal it would have wrecked...also the deck of island,island,island,island coudn't be played since it can't win. mine could win if the opponent even trys to win at all...sumbited different deck any way edit: eh i found a way to make it work now...maybe next week That may be true, but if the opponent's optimal play is just not to play lands and that forces a draw, then they can just do that. Both players MUST play optimally in order to determine who wins each round. If someone's optimal play is to play for the draw by not playing anything, then that is their optimal play... I'm curious to see what you've come up with. Can't wait til next week :-) Mine's not very creative at all, unfortunately... It is a wrecking ball, though ;-) __________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky Blackborder.com Grading Guide
WCFmo Member	posted December 03, 2010 07:02 AM quote: Originally posted by coinmagic45: That may be true, but if the opponent's optimal play is just not to play lands and that forces a draw, then they can just do that. Both players MUST play optimally in order to determine who wins each round. If someone's optimal play is to play for the draw by not playing anything, then that is their optimal play... I'm curious to see what you've come up with. Can't wait til next week :-) Mine's not very creative at all, unfortunately... It is a wrecking ball, though ;-) Guess who's back? I'm coming for ya coinmagic __________________ My first signature.
yakusoku Member	posted December 03, 2010 10:10 AM quote: Originally posted by Numotflame96: well...i guess so much for that deck...plan B time...so depresing since if it were legal it would have wrecked... I already explained this via PMs, but it would NOT have wrecked even if I allowed it. The point isn't that you can't beat Island, Island, Island, Island, a deck with no win condition, but that you can't beat ANY deck, including Island x4.dec. Both players are playing to get a draw rather than a loss and a win rather than a draw. So, everyone, knowing exactly what you have and how your deck works would not play any cards. You have NO way of even casting your win condition if your opponent sits there and does nothing, which is exactly what your opponent will do, rather than play something and hand you a win. In the days of V3CB, the deck {Foil, Island, Nether Spirit} was also an illegal deck. It would beat a lot of decks IF their opponent was foolish enough to play a spell and get it countered by Foil, but if an opponent simply did nothing, FINS couldn't win either. So, the optimal play for every deck vs. FINS was to sit there and do nothing. It is not possible to win a tournament with FINS or similar decks, only force ties. Compare FINS with this V4CB deck: Dryad Arbor Foil Island Nether Spirit DAFINS, on the other hand, can play Dryad Arbor and beat a player who does nothing, by attacking 20 times. If your opponent plays a spell, you can Foil that spell and get your Nether Spirit onto the battlefield. DAFINS beats Islandsx4. DAFINS even beats FINS in a head to head matchup. Also... The decklists have been posted. You may use other formats as well, but this one is a must. Also PLEASE make sure you use the proper deck number for your deck. Replace the '?' on the bottom line with the number next to your name on the decklist. Scoring: Play your deck against each other deck twice, once with you going first, once with them going first. Always remember that each deck is to be played perfectly. For each of the 2 games, score 3 points if your deck wins or 1 point if the game is a draw, with no points for a loss. Some examples: 2 wins (WW) is 6 points. A win and a draw (WD) is 4 points. A win and a loss (WL) is 3 points. 2 draws (DD) is 2 points. A draw and a loss (DL) is 1 point. 2 losses (LL) is 0 points. Plug YOUR deck number into the ? below the ##, and your score against each deck into the other slots. Do not play your deck against itself. Just enter an 'x' in the chart under your deck number. Please copy-and-paste the following code into your Message box in order to assist you with scoring: code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 TOTAL ?? 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 00 0 [Edited 1 times, lastly by yakusoku on December 03, 2010]
junichi Moderator	posted December 03, 2010 10:24 AM As expected, my deck fails pretty hard. Oh well, at least it was easy to score. code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 TOTAL 06 0 0 0 0 6 x 0 0 0 00 00 6 __________________ 40 Eye of Ugin and 4 foil Eye of Ugin for Black Lotus!? "lol you'll see when these go for 50 bucks a piece in a couple months, you're just jealous. !" - Marciano 315 03/17/2010
Battle_of_Twits Member	posted December 03, 2010 10:40 AM 1. Magic1264 WW Too fast on play or draw. 2. yakusoku WW On the play I'm too fast. If he attacks back when I'm on the draw, I can just sac my two lands and swing back for the win. 3. mattw LL Doom blade does me in. 4. coinmagic45 LL LD does me in. 5. MAB_Rapper WW Too fast on play or draw. 6. junichi WW On the draw, he has to sacrifice the mirror after the second attack, before he loses the game. Cool deck though. 7. Liq WW Researcher tramples through all the tokens before he can kill me. 8. Numotflame96 WW Researcher tramples through all the tokens before he can kill me. 9. Battle_of_Twits XX 10. WCFmo LL Shaman keeps me off my mana. 11. Myy WL I'm fast enough on the play, not enough on the draw code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 TOTAL 09 6 6 0 0 6 6 6 6 X 00 03 39 Not quite good enough, I don't think [Edited 1 times, lastly by Battle_of_Twits on December 03, 2010]
yakusoku Member	posted December 03, 2010 10:45 AM code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 TOTAL 02 6 X 0 0 6 6 6 3 0 00 03 30 1. Magic1264 WW. He can get his HT's up to 3 and 2 counters before I make him sacrifice two lands, then he can never catch up. 2. yakusoku XX City of Traitors Grim Monolith Grim Monolith Ulamog's Crusher 3. mattw LL. Doom Blade can kill non-black creatures. UC is not black. 4. coinmagic45 LL. He plays Guildmage, then plays Boom and I need City to play my creature. 5. MAB_Rapper WW. On the draw: MAB: Store yak: City, Grim MAB: 1 counter, store yak: Grim MAB: 2 counters, 1 counter yak: Ulamog's Crusher If he plays Spectral Procession here, he either sacrifices both his lands to Annihilate or two tokens, or a token and a land. In any case, he doesn't have enough to play Spectral Procession and follow it up with Gaze. If he doesn't play SP right here, he loses both of his lands. 6. junichi WW. He can survive once, but after that, he can't recover after I make him lose two permanents a turn. 7. Liq WW. On the draw: Liq: Leyline, RFarm yak: City, Grim Liq: Wheel yak: Grim Liq: Raise the Alarm, put RF on the bottom of his library, then RtA on the bottom yak: U's Crusher Liq: RFarm yak: attack - If Liq sacrifices both tokens, he can't keep up as he can only make two tokens 2/3rds of the time, and he's still taking 8 while he does so. If he sacs the land, he slows himself down and can't play RtA. If he sacs the Leyline, his creatures are too small and he can't hope to block and kill or race. I don't see any option here to even force a draw. 8. Numotflame96 WL. See below 9. Battle_of_Twits LL. I'm far too slow against this. 10. WCFmo LL. Reef Shaman turns my City into an Island and I can't do anything. 11. Myy WL. On the draw, I'm a turn too slow as he attacks with both into me, losing one, but killing me. On the play, I'm a turn too fast for him, as he can't attack into me with both, and when I attack back, he has to lose his land and a creature. [Edited 1 times, lastly by yakusoku on December 03, 2010]
coinmagic45 Member	posted December 03, 2010 10:54 AM code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 TOTAL 04 0 6 6 X 0 6 3 6 6 06 03 42 1. Magic1264 - On the draw, he plays turn 1 Trees. I play Guildmage. He plays Trees. I attack for 1 and play Boom/Bust on his Trees with counter. He gets 1 counter and plays City. I attack for 2. 2 counters, 15 life. 3 counters, 13 life. 4 counters, 11 life. 5 counters, 9 life. 6 counters, 7 life. 7 counters, 5 life. He plays Crush. I don't attack. He attacks with 2 Wurms. I chump with Spirit token and ping him with Guildmage down to 4. But his next attack kills me. On the play, I'm a little faster but not fast enough. LL 2. yakusoku - It takes him 2 turns to get out Monoliths, and I destroy City before he can play Crusher. WW 3. mattw - Guildmage kills Shortfang immediately and I win. WW 5. MAB_Rapper - He has 3 1/1s to my 2 1/1s... LL 6. junichi - Boom/Bust keeps him off Mirror. WW 7. Liq - On the play, I kill Farm before he can play Wheel. On the draw, Wheel gets back his Farm every time. WL 8. Numotflame96 - On the draw, he can play 2nd turn Foundry. Then I kill Academy. He can make a single 1/1 but it dies to Guildmage. WW 9. Battle_of_Twits - Boom/Bust keeps him off his 2 lands. WW 10. WCFmo - On the draw, he plays turn 1 Mother. I play Guildmage. He plays Shaman. On my turn I do nothing. On his upkeep, I ping Mother. He protects it. On my next upkeep, I ping it again, then proceed to kill Shaman and Apprentice. WW 11. Myy - On the draw, he combos before I can kill his land. On the play, I kill his land before his 2nd upkeep. WL __________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky Blackborder.com Grading Guide
Magic1264 Member	posted December 03, 2010 11:54 AM code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 TOTAL 01 X 0 0 6 6 6 0 0 0 06 00 24
Liq Member	posted December 03, 2010 12:17 PM code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 TOTAL 07 6 0 6 3 6 6 X 0 0 00 03 30 __________________ <Jazaray> LIQ! <Jazaray> you broke MOTL <Liq> totally <BoltBait> Don't make me kick you <Slinga> Have no fear, MOTL's janitor is here! <nderdog> So we're all agreed, it's Liq's fault, right? <Leshrac> let me deal with that * Liq has been banned
mattw Member	posted December 03, 2010 03:28 PM did i win? Edit1. Numot, you said you wouldn't. Tsk Tsk sir. lol [Edited 1 times, lastly by mattw on December 03, 2010]
coinmagic45 Member	posted December 03, 2010 04:15 PM quote: Originally posted by mattw: did i win? You've got to score yourself and find out :-P But I don't think so. I think I beat you by a few points, if my analysis is right :-) __________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky Blackborder.com Grading Guide
Numotflame96 Member	posted December 03, 2010 05:07 PM 1234567891011 6360666X0 3 6 total=42 1. Magic1264 -WW i make a hell of a lot more tokens than him and faster. no chance for him here 2. yakusoku -WL on the play i can have 7 tokens before he can attack with crusher, giving me plenty of things to sacrifice, block with and make even more tokens. on the draw he attacks while i have 1 token and can't make enough to stop him. 3. mattw - WW he can force me to discard sword of the meek on the draw, but i can just sacthe den to bring it back and make more tokens. i can keep making tokens to make to keep up with the life loss from the stabwiskers. 4. coinmagic45 - LL 5. MAB_Rapper - WW Gaze of justice is failry erelevant since it comes cown only after i have 7 tokens. i out number his token too. 6. junichi - WW eventually i can just get enough tokens to kill him in one shot after a lich's mirror before he can get the lich's mirror back. 7. Liq - WW i make tokens incrementally and he gains life for each of them but loses even more than that from me attacking 8. Numotflame96 -XX 9. Battle_of_Twits -LL Again with the quick annihilator. 10. WCFmo - WL on the play the reef shaman is annoying and stunts my growth a turn but i cant still play everything and make more tokens than he can handle. on the draw he ccan keep reef shaman-ing my ancient den and i can't cast the foundry. 11. Myy - WW h\im- land, 2 tokens me-land him- grace, swing for 8(20-12) me- land foundry him- swing for 8(20-4) me- sword, gain 1 life get token(20-5) him- attack, i block a toke nand go to 1 me- tpa den for token, then academy, tap acadmey, make 4 tokens(20-6) him- attack, i block two tokens, still kepp 4. i make a ton of tokens and win. btw, Yak, when you're on the play, you beat me. i get stuck on 2 tokens, that i have to sac over and over again. i gain 2 life to each 8 i lose. only on the draw do i get enogh tokens to stop crusher.
coinmagic45 Member	posted December 03, 2010 08:07 PM quote: Originally posted by Numotflame96: btw, Yak, when you're on the play, you beat me. i get stuck on 2 tokens, that i have to sac over and over again. i gain 2 life to each 8 i lose. only on the draw do i get enogh tokens to stop crusher. You have to sac non-token permanents to activate Foundry... You can't block and sac. Does that change your scores? __________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky Blackborder.com Grading Guide
Numotflame96 Member	posted December 03, 2010 09:01 PM quote: Originally posted by coinmagic45: You have to sac non-token permanents to activate Foundry... You can't block and sac. Does that change your scores? which match are you refering to? i don't think i ran in to that possition anytime during my scoring. everygame it was either i get my tokens going or my land/permanents get killed and i can't. in refence to the match vs Yak, on the play i have 7 tokens, giving me 2 to sacrifice, 1 to chum,p block, an i'm left with 7 artifatcs for the next turn, meaning i make 9 more tokens next turn, and i have 11 tokens the next turn so i can just kill crusher. on the draw i just get anihilated to death Edit: i think you misinterpretaed what i said there. i can make to tokens each turn from thopterfoundry and sword, but i have to sac 2 tokens each turn to ulamog's anihilator. either way i lose on the draw so its somewhat irrelevant [Edited 1 times, lastly by Numotflame96 on December 03, 2010]
MAB_Rapper Member	posted December 03, 2010 09:58 PM Decklists: 1. Magic1264 LL 0 Hollow Trees Hollow Trees City of Traitors Crush of Wurms 2. yakusoku LL 0 City of Traitors Grim Monolith Grim Monolith Ulamog's Crusher 3. mattw LL 0 Swamp Swarmyard Nezumi Shortfang Doom Blade 4. coinmagic45 WW 6 - I only need one land to make 3 guys and get rid of Guildmage. Badlands Gods' Eye, Gate to the Reikai Shadow Guildmage Boom/Bust 5. MAB_Rapper XX X Spectral Procession Gaze of Justice Icatian store Icatian Store 6. junichi LL 0 ... WTF Lich's Mirror Ancient Tomb Keldon Megaliths Sandstone Needle 7. Liq LL 0 Leyline of Vitality Wheel of Sun and Moon Raise the Alarm Remote Farm 8. Numotflame96 LL 0 Tolarian Academy Thopter Foundry Sword of the Meek Ancient Den 9. Battle_of_Twits LL 0 Saprazzan Skerry Hall of the Bandit Lord Academy Researchers Eldrazi Conscription 10. WCFmo WW 6 - Sure, Gaze is most irrelevant, but I don't see how he can deal damage faster than I can here. Reef Shaman Stormscape Apprentice Mother of Runes Tundra 11. Myy LL 0 Flagstones of Trokair Angel's Grace Pact of the Titan Pact of the Titan quote: Originally posted by yakusoku: code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 TOTAL 05 0 0 0 6 X 0 0 0 0 06 00 12
WCFmo Member	posted December 05, 2010 12:24 PM 1. Magic1264 ?? ? - question, does turning his land into an Island prevent it from getting counters? Hollow Trees Hollow Trees City of Traitors Crush of Wurms 2. yakusoku WW 6 City of Traitors Grim Monolith Grim Monolith Ulamog's Crusher 3. mattw LL 0 - I don't think I can win this one. Swamp Swarmyard Nezumi Shortfang Doom Blade 4. coinmagic45 LL 0 Badlands Gods' Eye, Gate to the Reikai Shadow Guildmage Boom/Bust 5. MAB_Rapper LL 0 Spectral Procession Gaze of Justice Icatian store Icatian Store 6. junichi WW 6 Lich's Mirror Ancient Tomb Keldon Megaliths Sandstone Needle 7. Liq WW 6 Leyline of Vitality Wheel of Sun and Moon Raise the Alarm Remote Farm 8. Numotflame96 WL 3 Tolarian Academy Thopter Foundry Sword of the Meek Ancient Den 9. Battle_of_Twits WW 6 Saprazzan Skerry Hall of the Bandit Lord Academy Researchers Eldrazi Conscription 10. WCFmo XX X Reef Shaman Stormscape Apprentice Mother of Runes Tundra 11. Myy DD 2 - this is a draw right MYY? I keep protecting a creature and tapping one down Flagstones of Trokair Angel's Grace Pact of the Titan Pact of the Titan code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 TOTAL 10 ? 6 0 0 0 6 6 3 6 XX 02 29 I'm uncertain on a couple of those, especially for the first. I'll count it as LL for right now. __________________ My first signature. [Edited 1 times, lastly by WCFmo on December 05, 2010]
coinmagic45 Member	posted December 05, 2010 05:47 PM quote: Originally posted by Numotflame96: Edit: i think you misinterpretaed what i said there. i can make to tokens each turn from thopterfoundry and sword, but i have to sac 2 tokens each turn to ulamog's anihilator. either way i lose on the draw so its somewhat irrelevant Yeah, I did misinterpret. I went through and couldn't see any scores that it actually changes, though. Nice innovation on the deck, though! We had been playing it as Swamp + Island + Sword + Foundry. Tolarian Academy is a huge improvement over that!

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