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yakusoku Member	posted December 20, 2010 09:05 AM 4-Card Blind (4CB) is a very unique game. The rules are as follows: * Your deck is composed of 4 cards, all of which start in your hand. * You have no library (technically, the library exists, but starts at 0 cards) and no sideboard (Wishes fetch nothing). * Random effects always go against the owner of the card. * You can see your opponent's hand, so you can always make the best possible play. * You don't lose as a result of not being able to draw a card. * You will play each opponent twice, once going first, once going second. * For each win, you score 3. * For each draw, you score 1. * For each loss, you get nothing. * A subgame played with the card Shahrazad will result in an incomplete game and both players will receive ZERO points, since the main game cannot be resumed. Neither player loses or draws, so neither player earns any points. * Other than the aforementioned, EVERYTHING IS HANDLED EXACTLY LIKE A REAL GAME OF MAGIC! Remember, it is important for your deck to include a way to cast your cards! (Lands, artifact mana, pitch cards, etc.) If you want to play PM me a message in this format. Subject should include "Vanishing 4-Card Blind" (Just click on the little PM icon above my post and it should work out that way.) Card #1 Card #2 Card #3 Card #4 Be sure you really are happy with your deck before you submit. Once you send in a deck, there is no changing it except in the case of an illegal entry. Please make every effort to spell your card names correctly. It makes it easier for everyone. Thanks. The "Vanishing" part is the twist. To start off with, only Unglued, Unhinged and Ante cards are banned. After each round, the 4 cards in the winning deck plus any cards in more than 1/3 of the decks played will be banned for all future rounds. Any lands that only provide mana are exempted from the banning rules. --------------Current banned list-------------- All Unglued cards All Unhinged cards All Ante cards All cards not appearing in Gatherer (World Champion, Shichifukujin Dragon, cards from a new set not yet released, etc.) Lands: Ancient Den Blinkmoth Nexus Dark Depths Dryad Arbor Gemstone Caverns Ghost Quarter Gods' Eye, Gate to the Reikai Great Furnace Karakas Maze of Ith Mishra's Factory Mishra's Workshop Mutavault Piranha Marsh Rishadan Port Shelldock Isle Sheltered Valley Strip Mine The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale Tarnished Citadel Tolarian Academy Undiscovered Paradise Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth Wasteland Colorless: Emrakul, the Aeon Torn Kozilek, Butcher of Truth Pathrazer of Ulamog Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre Artifacts: Arcbound Ravager Black Lotus Chalice of the Void Chimeric Mass Chrome Mox Darksteel Brute Eater of Days Energy Chamber Ensnaring Bridge Epochrasite Isochron Scepter Jhoira's Toolbox Lion's Eye Diamond Lodestone Golem Lotus Bloom Lotus Petal Mana Crypt Mana Vault Memnite Mox Emerald Mox Jet Mox Opal Mox Pearl Mox Ruby Mox Sapphire Myr Battlesphere Myr Servitor Ornithopter Phyrexian Dreadnought Platinum Angel Pithing Needle Scalding Tongs Sol Ring Sphere of Resistance Steel Overseer Sword of the Meek Tel-Jilad Stylus The Rack Thopter Foundry Thorn of Amethyst Tidehollow Sculler Time Vault Trinisiphere Voltaic Key Welding Jar Wurmcoil Engine Multi-Colored: Lightning Helix Meddling Mage Tidehollow Sculler Wilt-Leaf Liege Black: Bitterblossom Blackmail Blind Creeper Cabal Therapy Contaminated Ground Corpulent Corpse Dark Ritual Death's Shadow Delirium Skeins Diabolic Edict Dread Duress Encroach Evil Presence Funeral Charm Gatekeeper of Malakir Hymn to Tourach Inquisition of Kozilek Mesmeric Fiend Mind Swords Nether Spirit Raving Oni-Slave Reanimate Sarcomancy Shadow Guildmage Sinkhole Skittering Skirge Smallpox Snuff Out Tendrils of Despair Thoughtseize Unmask Vampire Hexmage Wretched Anurid Blue: Annex Brainstorm Cloud of Faeries Confiscate Cursecatcher Daze Energy Field Flash Foil Force of Will Force Spike Frost Titan Indentured Djinn Kira, Great Glass Spinner Leyline of Anticipation Leyline of Singularity Sea's Claim Show and Tell Sower of Temptation Sphinx of Jwar Isle Tidal Warrior Web of Inertia Words of Wind Green: Basking Rootwalla Channel Durkwood Baloth Elvish Lookout Elvish Spirit Guide Helix Pinnacle Lush Growth Reckless Wurm Rogue Elephant Scythe Tiger Skyshroud Cutter Tukatongue Thallid Woodfall Primus Words of Wilding Red: Artifact Blast Barbed Shocker Blood Moon Boldwyr Heavyweights Boom/Bust Burning Inquiry Crack the Earth Form of the Dragon Goblin Guide Goblin Welder Greater Gargadon Keldon Halberdiers Lightning Bolt Magus of the Moon Raze Seething Song Simian Spirit Guide Sneak Attack Sonic Seizure Words of War White: Balance Cenn's Tactician Chain of Vapor Decree of Justice Elspeth, Knight-Errant Isamaru, Hound of Konda Ivory Giant Knight of Sursi Leyline of Sanctity Loyal Sentry Oblivion Ring Path to Exile Preacher Purity Restore Balance Runed Halo Student of Warfare Swords to Plowshares Banned Decks (History) Round 1: first of the first, ryan2754 Black Lotus Indentured Djinn Force of Will Kira, Great Glass Spinner Round 2: second only to the first round winner, Tim Shaffer: Mishra's Workshop Trinisphere Ensnaring Bridge Scalding Tongs Round 3: reclaiming the title, Tim Shaffer: Balance Crystal Vein The Rack Mox Pearl Round 4: if it weren't for that Meddling yakusoku: Karakas Leyline of Singularity Meddling Mage Mox Sapphire Round 5: triple-teamed by Battle_of_Twits, Celeborn006, and ryan2754: Mountain Burning Inquiry Lion's Eye Diamond Reckless Wurm Burning Inquiry Plateau Mox Ruby Cenn's Tactician Gemstone Caverns Force Spike Tropical Island Durkwood Baloth Round 6: 1-2 punch from MasterWolf and Jtrade77: Bitterblossom Sheltered Valley Mox Jet Maze of Ith Icatian Store Icatian Store Wilt-Leaf Liege Wilt-Leaf Liege Round 7, naming your cards and eating your brains, Battle_of_Twits: Swamp Cabal Therapy Sarcomancy Tel-Jilad Stylus Round 8, two mana is too much for Celeborn006: Daze Tundra Path to Exile Isamaru, Hound of Konda Round 9, with ZERO total creature spells, coinmagic45 and yakusoku: Strip Mine Sol Ring Isochron Scepter Lightning Helix Mox Emerald Strip Mine Sol Ring Words of Wilding Round 10, with artifacts, artifacts, and more artifacts, Battle_of_Twits: Mana Crypt Mana Crypt Arcbound Ravager Lodestone Golem Round 11, with lands, lands, and more lands, Battle_of_Twits: The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale Ghost Quarter Mutavault Mishra's Factory Round 12, smells like Nether Spirit - coinmagic45: Lotus Bloom Nether Spirit Smallpox Thoughtseize Round 13, take two - MasterWolf and Battle_of_Twits: Ancient Tomb Wasteland Epochrasite Sphere of Resistance Artifact Blast Simian Spirit Guide Mountain Keldon Halberdier Round 14, it takes TWO baby - damnthedoodle and yakusoku: Undiscovered Paradise Helix Pinnacle Blackmail Swords to Plowshares Saprazzan Cove Web of Inertia Sphinx of Jwar Isle Darksteel Brute Round 15, what a shocker - Battle_of_Twits: Crystal Vein Lotus Petal Seething Song Barbed Shocker Round 16, a deck so nice, it got played twice - Battle_of_Twits and yakusoku: Swamp Dark Ritual Delirium Skeins Basking Rootwalla Round 17, winning with a 2-D Avatar, yakusoku: Dark Depths Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth Duress Vampire Hexmage Round 18, he can't lose the game - coinmagic45 Subterranean Hangar Subterranean Hangar Gatekeeper of Malakir Platinum Angel Round 19, showing you can't spell "Greater Gargadon" without "GG" - coinmagic45: Raze Mountain Dryad Arbor Greater Gargadon Round 20, one point is all it takes - coinmagic45: Swamp Evil Presence Encroach Corpulent Corpse Round 21, Channeling his life into a winner - WCFmo: Elvish Spirit Guide Elvish Spirit Guide Channel Emrakul, the Aeons Torn Round 22, Rookie of the Round - Myy Icatian Store Icatian Store Purity Runed Halo Round 22, played by over 1/3 of the field (3/8): Skittering Skirge Round 23, Annihilating your permanents, wayne: Mercadian Bazaar Mercadian Bazaar Sneak Attack Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre Round 23, played by over 1/3 of the field (3/7): Dread Round 24, Myr money, Myr problems - Liq: Swamp Myr Servitor Myr Servitor Myr Servitor Round 25, played by over 1/3rd of all players (3/7): Goblin Guide Pithing Needle Round 25, 'cause you gotta have faith - yakusoku: Icatian Store Icatian Store Faith's Fetters Eternal Dragon Round 26, Foiled by coinmagic45: Island Sand Silos Foil Kozilek, Butcher of Truth Round 27, he's in your tourney, takin' your turns - coinmagic45: City of Traitors Blinkmoth Nexus Time Vault Voltaic Key Round 28, leaving you with no hand, no land, or no life - wayne: Peat Bog Sinkhole Unmask Raving Oni-Slave Round 29, Magus of the Mooning everyone else - yakusoku: Chrome Mox City of Traitors Magus of the Moon Words of War Round 30, keeping us in suspense with Suspend, coinmagic45: Gemstone Mine Restore Balance Ivory Giant Chain of Vapor Round 31, a thorn in our sides, MAB_Rapper: Ancient Tomb Ancient Tomb Thorn of Amethyst Eater of Days Round 31, played by over 1/3rd of players: Sea's Claim Round 32, winning with all creatures and no creatures, Magic1264 and MAB_Rapper: Saprazzan Skerry Energy Field Piranha Marsh Words of Wind City of Traitors Steel Overseer Steel Overseer Ornithopter Round 33, winning with one card tied behind his back, WCFmo: Leyline of Sanctity Inquisition of Kozilek Student of Warfare Scrubland Round 34, winning through the fyre and flames, Alexisonfyre: Tarnished Citadel Lush Growth Lightning Bolt Death's Shadow Round 35, widening the gap between him and the rest of the mortals, coinmagic45: City of Traitors Leyline of Anticipation Phyrexian Dreadnought Phyrexian Dreadnought Round 36, annihilating the opposition, yakusoku: Swamp Funeral Charm Reanimate Pathrazer of Ulamog Round 37, junichi activate! Form of the Dragon! Island Shelldock Isle Brainstorm Form of the Dragon Round 38, easy as 1-2-3, spell, creature, win, from wayne: Peat Bog Contaminated Ground Hymn to Tourach Wretched Anurid Round 39, winning with a rogue strategy, WCFmo: Cursecatcher Tidal Warrior Rogue Elephant Tropical Island Round 40, he's Fiendish, Diabolic, Creepy, and uh... Boggy - coinmagic45 Mesmeric Fiend Diabolic Edict Blind Creeper Peat Bog Round 41, blue spell + blue spell + blue spell = win, coinmagic45: Sand Silos Show and Tell Frost Titan Confiscate Round 42, the answer to life, the universe, and everything - junichi: Preacher Elspeth, Knight-Errant Remote Farm City of Traitors Round 43, Tiger, tiger burning bright. In the Forest/Swamp - Alexisonfyre: Bayou Memnite Tendrils of Despair Scythe Tiger Round 44, flashing everyone, er... uh... bringing out a big, green dumb guy whenever he could play an instant - yakusoku: Saprazzan Skerry Flash Cloud of Faeries Woodfall Primus Round 45, winning without paying mana for spells - yakusoku: Bayou Tukatongue Thallid Mind Swords Skyshroud Cutter Round 45, played by over 1/3rd of the field (3/7): Boldwyr Heavyweights Round 46, armed with all the right tools to beat everyone else - Myy: City of Traitors Jhoira's Toolbox Chalice of the Void Energy Chamber Round 47, Look out! It's coinmagic45 with another win: Bayou Rishadan Port Elvish Lookout Snuff Out Round 48, sending his opponents into Oblivion - yakusoku: Icatian Store Icatian Store Oblivion Ring Decree of Justice Round 49, winning the battle and the round - NumotFlame96: Goblin Welder Sonic Seizure Great Furnace Myr Battlesphere Round 50 - winning with a big artifact creature? This looks familiar, NumotFlame96: Mana Vault Mana Vault Wurmcoil Engine Ancient Tomb Round 51 - two mana is too much for coinmagic45: Plateau Crack the Earth Loyal Sentry Knight of Sursi Round 52 - two people with the right answer and 42 points to win, coinmagic45 and Numotflame96 Badlands Gods' Eye, Gate to the Reikai Shadow Guildmage Boom/Bust Tolarian Academy Thopter Foundry Sword of the Meek Ancient Den Round 53 - land hate brought to you by Battle_of_Twits and yakusoku: Saprazzan Skerry City of Traitors Annex Sower of Temptation City of Traitors Mountain Blood Moon Chimeric Mass Round 54, with 2% more points than second place, Absurd90: Mox Opal Vault of Whispers Tidehollow Sculler Welding Jar --------------End of Banning list-------------- I will try and post a new round every Monday, allow submissions through Wednesday, reveal deck lists first thing on Thursday and review results posted over the weekend. NO MISE DECKS! Any deck submitted MUST have some win condition. Any deck that can do no better than a draw against any possible deck will be rejected. A deck that can't win any game is mathematically eliminated from winning the round, and thus would just be taking a chance to win away from someone who could actually have a shot. ALL players will assist in judging. The way this will work is that after the submission period is over, After all decks are revealed, judge your own deck against every other deck (going first and going second). Post your findings here in this thread. They will be reviewed by everyone for accuracy. Once a winner is determined the winners deck will be added to the banned list and the next round will begin. Repeated failure to do your own scoring will result in suspensions! The Winners List (Games won): 14 coinmagic45 12 yakusoku 8 Battle_of_Twits 3 Numotflame96 wayne WCFmo 2 Alexisonfyre Celeborn006 junichi MAB_Rapper MasterWolf Myy ryan2754 Tim Shaffer 1 Absurd90 damnthedoodle Jtrade77 Liq Magic1264 Suspensions for Round 55 (failure to score Round 54): NONE! Decklists: 1. mattw Swamp City of Traitors Priest of Gix Stupor 2. yakusou Peat Bog City of Traitors Mind Twist Plague Spitter 3. Numotflame96 Guul Draz Assassin underground sea city of traitors Wistful thinking 4. Magic1264 Peat Bog Oona's Prowler Exhume Angel of Despair 5. ElvesFTW Peat Bog Phylactery Lich Vault of Whispers Royal Assasin 6. MAB_Rapper Fastbond Savannah Oboro, Palace in the Clouds Steppe Lynx 7. Battle_of_Twits Subterranean Hangar Predatory Nightstalker Mindslicer Consume the Meek 8. coinmagic45 Peat Bog Plains Vindicate Hollow Specter 9. Absurd90 Swamp City of Traitors Pain / Suffering Bone Shredder 10. WCFmo Reef Shaman Stormscape Apprentice Pongify Tundra [Edited 2 times, lastly by yakusoku on December 23, 2010]
Battle_of_Twits Member	posted December 20, 2010 12:28 PM It doesn't have an effect on the outcome of last round, but my justification is correct for me vs. MAB, for future reference. If I don't play anything, he has to pop the tomb and the rest of his lands to try and win, and I have enough time to play both the apprentice and mother before the token would kill me. I then tap his token down during his turn and attack with mother until he dies, so the optimal play is for us to stare. __________________ Stages of Death: Anger, Denial, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance, Burial, Decay, Haunting, Revenge, Evil Laugh Originally posted by pyr0ma5ta: When in doubt, always go with the mom joke. It's classy, and you always win. There can be no comeback. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Battle_of_Twits on December 20, 2010]
MAB_Rapper Member	posted December 23, 2010 08:04 AM No one day warning???? __________________ MOTL's Most Likely to Play in the Pro Tour - Three Years Running for 2007, 2008, and 2009 (My Nationals) Cracking the Top 100 Ref Count - 4/1/10 (Currently #79 - #6 in new York)
yakusoku Member	posted December 23, 2010 08:42 AM I haven't been able to post a reply to this thread until today. Sorry for the lack of warning. For next round, I think I have a fix to that problem. The decklists have been posted. You may use other formats as well, but this one is a must. Also PLEASE make sure you use the proper deck number for your deck. Replace the '?' on the bottom line with the number next to your name on the decklist. Scoring: Play your deck against each other deck twice, once with you going first, once with them going first. Always remember that each deck is to be played perfectly. For each of the 2 games, score 3 points if your deck wins or 1 point if the game is a draw, with no points for a loss. Some examples: 2 wins (WW) is 6 points. A win and a draw (WD) is 4 points. A win and a loss (WL) is 3 points. 2 draws (DD) is 2 points. A draw and a loss (DL) is 1 point. 2 losses (LL) is 0 points. Plug YOUR deck number into the ? below the ##, and your score against each deck into the other slots. Do not play your deck against itself. Just enter an 'x' in the chart under your deck number. Please copy-and-paste the following code into your Message box in order to assist you with scoring: code: [CODE] ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TOTAL ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? [/CODE] [Edited 1 times, lastly by yakusoku on December 23, 2010]
MAB_Rapper Member	posted December 23, 2010 09:03 AM 1. mattw WL 3 - On the play, I kill on turn 2. On the draw.... Swamp City of Traitors Priest of Gix Stupor 2. yakusou WL 3 - On the play, I kill on turn 2. On the draw.... Peat Bog City of Traitors Mind Twist Plague Spitter 3. Numotflame96 WL 3 - On the play, Assassin blocks or he dies. On the draw, Wisftul = GG. Guul Draz Assassin underground sea city of traitors Wistful thinking 4. Magic1264 WL 3 - On the play, he has no blocker. On the draw, he blocks on Turn 2, but I just lose on his turn 3. Peat Bog Oona's Prowler Exhume Angel of Despair 5. ElvesFTW WL 3 - On the play, I jsut win turn 2. On the draw, I get stuck facing a 5/5 indestructible. Peat Bog Phylactery Lich Vault of Whispers Royal Assasin 6. MAB_Rapper XX X Fastbond Savannah Oboro, Palace in the Clouds Steppe Lynx 7. Battle_of_Twits WW 6 - Way too slow. Subterranean Hangar Predatory Nightstalker Mindslicer Consume the Meek 8. coinmagic45 WL 3 - Same as almost every match before hand. Peat Bog Plains Vindicate Hollow Specter 9. Absurd90 LL 0 - Not much I can with losing a combo piece. Swamp City of Traitors Pain / Suffering Bone Shredder 10. WCFmo DL 1 - On the play, he has to Pongify my guy and just tap it down every turn, but he can't attack. On the draw, he makes takes out my Savannah and I can't combo off. I guess he plays Pongify on his Apprentice and just bashes. Reef Shaman Stormscape Apprentice Pongify Tundra code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TOTAL 06 3 3 3 3 3 X 6 3 0 01 25 __________________ MOTL's Most Likely to Play in the Pro Tour - Three Years Running for 2007, 2008, and 2009 (My Nationals) Cracking the Top 100 Ref Count - 4/1/10 (Currently #79 - #6 in new York)
coinmagic45 Member	posted December 23, 2010 09:33 AM Lots of WL this week... code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TOTAL 08 3 3 3 4 4 3 6 X 6 01 33 1. mattw - Vindicate wins on the play, discard loses on the draw. WL 2. yakusoku - Vindicate wins on the play, discard loses on the draw. WL 3. Numotflame96 - Vindicate wins on the play, discard loses on the draw. WL 4. Magic1264 - Vindicate wins on the play. On the draw, I Vindicate his land and our creatures trade. WD 5. ElvesFTW - Vindicate wins on the play. On the draw, he plays turn 2 Assassin and I Vindicate his land and our creatures stare. WD 6. MAB_Rapper - Vindicate wins on the play but is too slow on the draw. WL 7. Battle_of_Twits - Vindicate wins. WW 9. Absurd90 - Specter > Shredder. WW 10. WCFmo - On the play, I play turn 2 Vindicate on his land and Shaman stops me. On the draw, Shaman keeps me off my mana. DL __________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky Blackborder.com Grading Guide [Edited 1 times, lastly by coinmagic45 on December 23, 2010]
WCFmo Member	posted December 23, 2010 09:33 AM 1. mattw - WD 4 Swamp City of Traitors Priest of Gix Stupor Explanation - Win b/c of Shaman. Draw b/c I creatures swap (stormscape) 2. yakusou - WD 4 Peat Bog City of Traitors Mind Twist Plague Spitter Explanation - Win b/c of Shaman. Draw b/c I play Shaman T1 then he has to play his creature, he can't ever play mind twist w/ shaman but we trade when I pognify my guy and Spitter deal 1 damage to him. 3. Numotflame96 - WD 4 - via Yak Guul Draz Assassin underground sea city of traitors Wistful thinking Explanation - Win b/c of Shaman. 4. Magic1264 - WD 4 Peat Bog Oona's Prowler Exhume Angel of Despair Explanation - Win b/c of Shaman. Game 2 - I have no clue, marking as a draw. 5. ElvesFTW - WD 4 Peat Bog Phylactery Lich Vault of Whispers Royal Assasin Explanation - Win b/c of Shaman. Explanation of draw below. 6. MAB_Rapper - WD 4 Fastbond Savannah Oboro, Palace in the Clouds Steppe Lynx Explanation - Win b/c of Shaman. MAB has it right on g2 i think. 7. Battle_of_Twits - Edit - No clue honestly, I'm putting it as a draw...I spent 30 minutes+ trying to figure out this one. Subterranean Hangar Predatory Nightstalker Mindslicer Consume the Meek 8. coinmagic45 - WD 4 Peat Bog Plains Vindicate Hollow Specter 9. Absurd90 - WD 4 Swamp City of Traitors Pain / Suffering Bone Shredder 10. WCFmo - XX Reef Shaman Stormscape Apprentice Pongify Tundra Preliminary Score code: [CODE] ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TOTAL 10 ------------------ XX 39 [/CODE] Hmmm, now I guess I'll see if anyone can beat me...seems like everyone tried running discard this week. Edit - I gotta redo my scores, a couple are off. __________________ Neal: He says we're going the wrong way... Del: Oh, he's drunk. How would he know where we're going? [Edited 3 times, lastly by WCFmo on December 27, 2010]
WCFmo Member	posted December 23, 2010 09:36 AM quote: Originally posted by coinmagic45: 10. WCFmo - On the play, I play turn 2 Vindicate on his land and win. On the draw, Shaman keeps me off my mana. WL Not quite. I play something on my turn you know, Reef Shaman. You have to kill it to play your win condition or you can kill my land. You kill my land I keep turning your land into an island/mountain/forest/etc, if you kill reef shaman then I just play Stormscape and then pognify him and I win. __________________ Neal: He says we're going the wrong way... Del: Oh, he's drunk. How would he know where we're going?
ElvesFTW Member	posted December 23, 2010 09:46 AM Ok, lets see if i can get this right., ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TOTAL 05 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? 1. mattw Swamp City of Traitors Priest of Gix Stupor LL 2. yakusou Peat Bog City of Traitors Mind Twist Plague Spitter LL - again with discard? 3. Numotflame96 Guul Draz Assassin underground sea city of traitors Wistful thinking LL- are you guys cheating? JK> 4. Magic1264 Peat Bog Oona's Prowler Exhume Angel of Despair I don't know... 5. ElvesFTW Peat Bog Phylactery Lich Vault of Whispers Royal Assasin ......... 6. MAB_Rapper Fastbond Savannah Oboro, Palace in the Clouds Steppe Lynx WL I'm not entirely sure, but I think this is right. 7. Battle_of_Twits Subterranean Hangar Predatory Nightstalker Mindslicer Consume the Meek WW 8. coinmagic45 Peat Bog Plains Vindicate Hollow Specter WL 9. Absurd90 Swamp City of Traitors Pain / Suffering Bone Shredder WW - i discard my assasin, then he plays the shredder, then i win with lich? It's black, and artifact, and indestructible. 10. WCFmo Reef Shaman Stormscape Apprentice Pongify Tundra WW - assasin destroys the tapped creature, then Indestructible 5/5 FTW!
ElvesFTW Member	posted December 23, 2010 09:49 AM quote: Originally posted by coinmagic45: Lots of WL this week... code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TOTAL 08 3 3 3 4 4 3 6 X 6 01 33 1. mattw - Vindicate wins on the play, discard loses on the draw. WL 2. yakusoku - Vindicate wins on the play, discard loses on the draw. WL 3. Numotflame96 - Vindicate wins on the play, discard loses on the draw. WL 4. Magic1264 - Vindicate wins on the play. On the draw, I Vindicate his land and our creatures trade. WD 5. ElvesFTW - Vindicate wins on the play. On the draw, he plays turn 2 Assassin and I Vindicate his land and our creatures stare. WD 6. MAB_Rapper - Vindicate wins on the play but is too slow on the draw. WL 7. Battle_of_Twits - Vindicate wins. WW 9. Absurd90 - Specter > Shredder. WW 10. WCFmo - On the play, I play turn 2 Vindicate on his land and Shaman stops me. On the draw, Shaman keeps me off my mana. DL No, I play turn 2 lich, then my creature stares at your creature and atk for 5 each turn and you can only deal me 2?
WCFmo Member	posted December 23, 2010 09:50 AM quote: Originally posted by ElvesFTW: Ok, lets see if i can get this right., ... 10. WCFmo Reef Shaman Stormscape Apprentice Pongify Tundra WW - assasin destroys the tapped creature, then Indestructible 5/5 FTW! Nope. On play, I play Shaman, I turn your Peat Bog into an island/whatever and kill you w/ a 1/1 or turn it into a 3/3 with Pongify. On draw, I still play Shaman, you get to cast either Royal Assassin or Lich. If you cast Lich, I can just tap him down with stormscape and you will never be able to play assassin b/c of Shaman. If you play Assassin I turn him into a 3/3 Ape and tap him w/ Stormscape Apprentice and keep you from playing Lich w/ Reef Shaman. Edit - on play coinmagic vindicates the first land you play and you can't do anything b/c all your stuff costs 3 and at best you'll have only 2 mana. On draw you play Peat Bog he plays his Bog. If you Play Lich you will get 2 for 1'd as he will vindicate the Artifact Land - "When you control no permanents with phylactery counters on them, sacrifice Phylactery Lich." If you play Assassin he either can vindicate your land preventing you from playing Lich or he vindicates assassin (he doesn't want to play Hollow yet, trust me). Either way you guys stare w/ your 1/1 and his 2/2 b/c if he attacks you can destroy his creature, if you attack he destroys your creature. WD for coin, DL for you against coin __________________ Neal: He says we're going the wrong way... Del: Oh, he's drunk. How would he know where we're going? [Edited 2 times, lastly by WCFmo on December 23, 2010]
coinmagic45 Member	posted December 23, 2010 04:38 PM quote: Originally posted by WCFmo: Not quite. I play something on my turn you know, Reef Shaman. You have to kill it to play your win condition or you can kill my land. You kill my land I keep turning your land into an island/mountain/forest/etc, if you kill reef shaman then I just play Stormscape and then pognify him and I win. Yup, I fixed that one right after I posted my scores :-P [edit] At least you didn't WW against me :-) __________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky Blackborder.com Grading Guide [Edited 1 times, lastly by coinmagic45 on December 23, 2010]
coinmagic45 Member	posted December 23, 2010 04:39 PM quote: Originally posted by ElvesFTW: No, I play turn 2 lich, then my creature stares at your creature and atk for 5 each turn and you can only deal me 2? Yes, except I Vindicate your Vault and Lich dies... So instead you play Assassin and we stare. Then, if I kill Assassin, your Lich wins, so we just sit and look at each other... -Mark __________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky Blackborder.com Grading Guide
mattw Member	posted December 23, 2010 04:57 PM ## 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 TOTAL 01 xx 03 01 06 03 03 00 03 02 01 22 Another week another loss, keeping the standard going.
yakusoku Member	posted December 23, 2010 08:55 PM code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TOTAL 02 3 X 3 6 3 3 6 3 6 01 34 1. mattw WL. The person who goes first plays discard and wins. 2. yakusou XX. 3. Numotflame96 WL. Same as #1. 4. Magic1264 WW. We both play Peat Bog turn 1 and turn two on the draw he plays Oona's Prowler, then I make him discard his hand. Plague Spitter finishes off Prowler and I win. On the play, he doesn't even get Prowler. 5. ElvesFTW WL. On the play, he gets nothing. On the draw, he gets Lich, which beats my creature. 6. MAB_Rapper WL. On the play, he gets either Fastbond or Steppe Lynx, but not both. Plague Spitter kills Lynx. On the draw, he kills me. 7. Battle_of_Twits WW. I make him lose all his non-land cards. 8. coinmagic45 WL. I Mind Twist on the play, lose to Vindicate on the draw. 9. Absurd90 WW. I lose Mind Twist to Pain and Plague Spitter doesn't die to Bone Shredder, but Bone Shredder dies to Plague Spitter. 10. WCFmo LD. On the play, Reef Shaman causes a draw if I play Mind Twist, or Pongify + Stormscape Apprentice causes a draw if I play Plague Spitter. On the draw, I don't get to play anything but land. Numotflame96's score: code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TOTAL 03 3 3 X 6 3 3 6 3 6 01 34 1. mattw WL. First to play wins with discard. 2. yakusou WL. First to play wins with discard. 3. Numotflame96 XX 4. Magic1264 WW. Wistful makes him lose Exhume, GDA kills Prowler. 5. ElvesFTW WL. Wistful makes him lose everything but Peat Bog on the play. Lich is too big, too fast on the draw. 6. MAB_Rapper WL. On the play, Wistful makes MAB lose. On the draw, too slow. 7. Battle_of_Twits WW. Wistful makes BoT lose his entire hand. 8. coinmagic45 WL. Wistful wins on the play, loses to Vindicate on the draw. 9. Absurd90 WW. Numot discards Wistful to Pain and GDA wins after that. 10. WCFmo DL. Reef Shaman cuts off black and level up can't be done during the upkeep. And one more... code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TOTAL 04 6 0 0 X 6 3 6 1 6 01 29 1. mattw WW. Peat Bog + Oona's Prowler is enough to win both games. 2. yakusou LL. Plague Spitter kills Oona's Prowler, Mind Twist gets rid of Exhume. 3. Numotflame96 LL. GDA kills Oona's Prowler, Wistful gets rid of Exhume. 4. Magic1264 XX 5. ElvesFTW WW On the play, Angel takes out Vault of the Whispers if he plays Lich or Assassin if he plays Royal first, then Angel + Prowler races Lich after that. On the draw, Elves plays both creatures. Magic destroys Royal Assassin with Angel, blocks Lich with Angel, then wins with Prowler. 6. MAB_Rapper WL On the draw, lose to the combo. On the play, block Steppe Lynx with Prowler, destroy Lynx with Angel. 7. Battle_of_Twits WW. Destroy Hangar FTW. 8. coinmagic45 DL. On the play, flying creatures trade. On the draw, Vindicate destroys Magic's Peat Bog. 9. Absurd90 WW. If Absurd plays Pain, Magic loses Angel, then Exhumes it. Bone Shredder only kills Prowler by blocking. 10. WCFmo DL. On the play, Reef Shaman stops Angel, Apprentice stops Prowler, nobody gets to win. On the draw, Reef Shaman stops any creatures, Apprentice attacks 20 times for the win (or fewer with Pongify)
Absurd90 Member	posted December 23, 2010 11:33 PM code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TOTAL 09 2 0 0 0 0 6 0 0 X 01 9
WCFmo Member	posted December 27, 2010 07:50 AM Sorry, long holiday weekend. Editing scores now __________________ Neal: He says we're going the wrong way... Del: Oh, he's drunk. How would he know where we're going?
WCFmo Member	posted December 27, 2010 08:19 AM I have match 7 as draw, I honestly tried figuring it out and BoT hasn't scored yet...leaving it at a draw for right now. code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TOTAL 10 4 4 4 4 4 4 2 4 4 XX 34 __________________ Neal: He says we're going the wrong way... Del: Oh, he's drunk. How would he know where we're going?
Battle_of_Twits Member	posted December 27, 2010 10:33 AM 1. mattw WW 2. yakusou LL 3. Numotflame96 LL 4. Magic1264 LL 5. ElvesFTW LL 6. MAB_Rapper LL 7. Battle_of_Twits XX 8. coinmagic45 LL 9. Absurd90 WW 10. WCFmo DD code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TOTAL 07 6 0 0 0 0 0 X 0 6 2 14 __________________ Stages of Death: Anger, Denial, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance, Burial, Decay, Haunting, Revenge, Evil Laugh Originally posted by pyr0ma5ta: When in doubt, always go with the mom joke. It's classy, and you always win. There can be no comeback.
coinmagic45 Member	posted December 27, 2010 11:30 AM quote: Originally posted by WCFmo: I have match 7 as draw, I honestly tried figuring it out and BoT hasn't scored yet...leaving it at a draw for right now. code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TOTAL 10 4 4 4 4 4 4 2 4 4 XX 34 I don't see how this is DD... On WCFmo's play: WCFmo plays land + Shaman. BoT plays Hangar. WCFmo attacks to 19 then plays Pongify to race faster. BoT gets 1 counter. WCFmo attacks to 16 and plays Apprentice, BoT 2 counters. Then 12-3, 8-4, 4-5. WCFmo attacks BoT to death. On BoT's play, the same situation ends with BoT playing Consume the Meek to win. If WCFmo doesn't play Shaman, then Nightstalker comes into play and kills the Pongify token and wins. What am I missing? __________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky Blackborder.com Grading Guide
WCFmo Member	posted December 27, 2010 11:45 AM quote: Originally posted by coinmagic45: code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TOTAL 10 4 4 4 4 4 4 2 4 4 XX 34 </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I don't see how this is DD... On WCFmo's play: WCFmo plays land + Shaman. BoT plays Hangar. WCFmo attacks to 19 then plays Pongify to race faster. BoT gets 1 counter. WCFmo attacks to 16 and plays Apprentice, BoT 2 counters. Then 12-3, 8-4, 4-5. WCFmo attacks BoT to death. On BoT's play, the same situation ends with BoT playing Consume the Meek to win. If WCFmo doesn't play Shaman, then Nightstalker comes into play and kills the Pongify token and wins. What am I missing? There are about a dozen situations actually, that's why I just gave up on it. I play nothing, he plays mindslicer I can play both stormscape and then pognify him making him lose his hand and then drawing. If he plays his sac dude I play stormscape and tap him down ... IDK. I just kinda gave up, though there are arguments for me losing, they are arguments for us drawing. __________________ Neal: He says we're going the wrong way... Del: Oh, he's drunk. How would he know where we're going?
coinmagic45 Member	posted December 27, 2010 12:02 PM quote: Originally posted by WCFmo: code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 TOTAL 10 4 4 4 4 4 4 2 4 4 XX 34 </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I don't see how this is DD... On WCFmo's play: WCFmo plays land + Shaman. BoT plays Hangar. WCFmo attacks to 19 then plays Pongify to race faster. BoT gets 1 counter. WCFmo attacks to 16 and plays Apprentice, BoT 2 counters. Then 12-3, 8-4, 4-5. WCFmo attacks BoT to death. On BoT's play, the same situation ends with BoT playing Consume the Meek to win. If WCFmo doesn't play Shaman, then Nightstalker comes into play and kills the Pongify token and wins. What am I missing? </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE> There are about a dozen situations actually, that's why I just gave up on it. I play nothing, he plays mindslicer I can play both stormscape and then pognify him making him lose his hand and then drawing. If he plays his sac dude I play stormscape and tap him down ... IDK. I just kinda gave up, though there are arguments for me losing, they are arguments for us drawing. True, I never think about the "what if I play nothing" plays :-P It doesn't matter to me if we leave this one DD since you and BoT both scored it that way, but it's fun to figure out how it would play out, in my opinion... WCFmo's play: Race with Pongify, as I described above. Nothing BoT does it fast enough. That's a Win for WCFmo. BoT's play: WCFmo's actions determine how this plays out. Option 1 - WCFmo races with Pongify but is 1 turn too slow (see above post). This ends in Win for BoT. Option 2 - WCFmo does nothing until BoT plays stuff. Eventually BoT has infinite mana. On his turn, he plays Nightstalker + Mindslicer. If WCFmo Pongifies the Mindslicer, he loses his Apprentice. If he plays Apprentice on his next turn, it dies to Consume. This ends in Win for BoT. Option 3 - WCFmo plays Shaman and then does nothing. Eventually BoT has infinite mana. At the end of one of WCFmo's turns, he plays Consume and kills Shaman. Then, he untaps and plays both creatures. Apprentice can only stop 1, and Pongify gives another creature to attack with. This ends in Win for BoT. Option 4 - WCFmo plays Shaman then Apprentice. He loses to Consume. This is a Win for BoT. Option 5 - WCFmo plays Apprentice first. This does nothing and he loses to Nightstalker. This is a Win for BoT. Option 6 to infinite - ??? I've got nothing else to do on my day off, so might as well play with some Magic puzzles :-P __________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky Blackborder.com Grading Guide
yakusoku Member	posted December 27, 2010 03:35 PM Scores: code: 01 X 3 1 6 3 3 0 3 2 01 22 02 3 X 3 6 3 3 6 3 6 01 34 03 3 3 X 6 3 3 6 3 6 01 34 04 6 0 0 X 6 3 6 1 6 01 29 05 0 0 0 0 X 3 6 1 6 01 17 06 3 3 3 3 3 X 6 3 0 01 25 07 6 0 0 0 0 0 X 0 6 02 14 08 3 3 3 4 4 3 6 X 6 01 33 09 2 0 0 0 0 6 0 0 X 01 09 10 4 4 4 4 4 4 2 4 4 XX 34 Inconsistencies: 1 vs. 4 mattw has this as WW, I scored this as WW for Magic1264. Magic1264 can race Priest of Gix with Oona's Prolwer alone, discarding Exhume and Angel. 1 vs. 5 mattw has this as WL, Elves has this as LL for him. On the play, ElvesFTW can play a turn two Lich and beat mattw 2 vs. 5 I have this as WL, Elves has this as LL. On his play, I can't Mind Twist away his hand, and I lose to Lich. 3 vs. 5 I maked it as a WL for Numot, Elves has this as a LL. On the play, Elves is too fast and gets out Lich. It takes too many turns for Numot to level up GDA. With these revisions: code: 01 X 3 1 0 3 3 0 3 2 01 16 02 3 X 3 6 3 3 6 3 6 01 34 <= winner! 03 3 3 X 6 3 3 6 3 6 01 34 <= winner! 04 6 0 0 X 6 3 6 1 6 01 29 05 3 3 3 0 X 3 6 1 6 01 26 06 3 3 3 3 3 X 6 3 0 01 25 07 6 0 0 0 0 0 X 0 6 02 14 08 3 3 3 4 4 3 6 X 6 01 33 09 2 0 0 0 0 6 0 0 X 01 09 10 4 4 4 4 4 4 2 4 4 XX 34 <= winner! Three way tie?

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