Crazy stuff.

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Originally posted by rats60:
It sounds like it was judge promos. Selling hundred count lots of judge promos is going to raise all kinds of red flags. The store owner should be charged too. He had to know that the cards were hot.

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Not unless they can prove it beyond reasonable doubt. :/

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Originally posted by Montague:
"He should have cast an invisible spell before he entered the locker". Ha ha ha. Even though that person is making fun of us magic players, that seriously made me laugh!

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Originally posted by airwalk:
Whoever posted that is a magic player because there were no comments on the article when this thread was started =p.

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I dunno, I think a magic player would have used a more specific term than "invisibility spell".
eg:
'He must have forgotten to equip Whispersilk Cloak!'
'I'm surprised he didn't set off the Intruder Alarm'

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Originally posted by Bugger:
I dunno, I think a magic player would have used a more specific term than "invisibility spell".
eg:
'I'm surprised he didn't set off the Intruder Alarm'

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Originally posted by airwalk:
Who knows. I wish all magic players had that kind of wit though, things would be a lot more fun.

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Yeah, then we wouldn't have those few unwashed heathens everyone loves to hate at their local FNM O.o
Aaaand we now have our first ignorant comment!

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So, what's the actual cost to print one of those cards? I'd guess around 30 cents each, because they are, I will admit, incredibly expensive to produce. If we calculate the value of the loss using how much it would cost the manufacturer to reprint the stolen items, we get about $500. Yes, it is actually that expensive because they use several colors, and they stamp little gold foil thingies on some of them. However, if we calculate the amount of the loss using Magic and spellcasting to way way way way WAY WAY WAY OVERINFLATE the value of the pieces of printed cardboard that were stolen, we get $44,000.

If I were the idiot's defense attorney, the first thing I'd subpeona would be the amount that Wizard's insurance company paid for the loss.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Dude, you work for Wizards of the Coast - that's not awesome enough for you? You have to loot rare cards? Geez.

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Not unless they can prove it beyond reasonable doubt. :/

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Pretty sure even in strict/absolute liability offenses (no mens rea), you have to have the knowledge that the property is stolen. With the level you gotta reach for criminal culpability the dealer can easily say he didn't know it was stolen property. He gave it back immediately too.

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If the thief's friend told the dealer "Will you pay me $1k for 10k worth of cards," he would be liable.

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Originally posted by bigbob585:
The dealer's transaction with the stolen cards really depends on how the transaction went down.

If the thief's friend told the dealer "Will you pay me $1k for 10k worth of cards," he would be liable.

If the guy simply asked the dealer what he'd pay and took the dealer's buy prices he would not be.

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Originally posted by rats60:
No, it depends on what he was selling. If he had regular cards like Jaces, Titans, ect, I would agree. If it was several hundred judge promos, which is what I suspect, then the dealer should know that the cards were stolen and it doesn't matter what he paid.

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Originally posted by rats60:
Definitely not in Illinois and I would be willing to bet it's the same in Washington. Just acting stupid is not a defense. The guy is a magic card dealer. With that goes a level of expertise that says he knew the cards were probably stolen.

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Even for drugs possession there is more than just "Have drugs on person = Guilty". Traffic is even more strict, but even in that case there's still considerations of the actus reus.