I thought I'd make a thread about the deck I've made last week + details on how it went at our small local tourny.

The Deck:

4x Llanowar Elves
4x Nettle Sentinel
4x Heritage Druid
4x Multani's Acolyte
4x Elvish Archdruid
4x Priest of Titania
3x Arbor Elf
1x Eternal Witness
1x Viridian Shaman
1x Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1x Ezuri, Renegade Leader
1x Loaming Shaman

4x Glimpse of Nature
4x Genesis Wave
3x Concordant Crossroads

8x Forest
4x Misty Rainforest
3x Verdant Catacombs
2x Gaea's Cradle

Sideboard:

4x Leyline of Sanctity
3x Pithing Needle
2x Nature's Claim
2x Krosan Grip
2x Tormod's Crypt
1x Relic of Progenitus
1x Elvish Champion

The Match-ups:

Game #1. Went 2-0 against mono blue merfolk. He disrupted my Waves, but with 8 lords + mana accel, I was overrunning him.

Game #2. Went 2-1 against mono red burn. I kinda lack something to gain some life points, leyline OWNZ but wasn't enough in the 2nd game... maybe adding a single Wellwisher in the SB?

Game #3. Went 2-0 against The Tropical Storm (Spring Tide /w G). The games were REALLY close, if he had more than 1 tangle in the SB he would have prolly won (unless I hardcast Emrakul).

Game #4. Went 2-1 against Dredge. He won the first game... EASILY. 2nd and 3rd I sided-in the grave hate + needles.

Game #5. Went 1-2 against Dredge... had a lot of defense against grave hate in his sideboard :P

Overall the deck is AWESOME, but I think (THINK!) 4x Multani's Acolyte instead of 4x Elvish Visionary would be better.... not kidding. Loaming Shaman will just return them in the deck with my pacts/glimpses/waves (after a wave or course) so I can reuse them in the long run + it would be great against Dredge decks :P

Edit: Tweaked the deck today with a friend. This version is way faster!

(I never understood why decks without landfall/a second color play fetches)

For legacy, I play R/b/g Goblins. The black splash is for Earwig Squad, Wort, Boggart Auntie, Warren Wierding, Cabal Therapy, Nihil Spellbomb (Cantrip!), and something else I can't remember. The green splash is for 2 Krosan Grip out of the board.

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Why do you play fetches? Please don't say deck thinning. Is it for the shuffle effects? Really?

(I never understood why decks without landfall/a second color play fetches)

For legacy, I play R/b/g Goblins. The black splash is for Earwig Squad, Wort, Boggart Auntie, Warren Wierding, Cabal Therapy, Nihil Spellbomb (Cantrip!), and something else I can't remember. The green splash is for 2 Krosan Grip out of the board.

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Found a little link on fetch lands and if they thin or not. Hope this helps because i dont see any use in the fetches either.
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/print.asp?ID=3096

edit: I also don't see why Multani's Acolyte would be better. Yes it has 1 more power than Visionary, but you don't have anything like Concordant Crossroads in the deck so if you plan to attack with it, it seems terrible.

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Why do you play fetches? Please don't say deck thinning. Is it for the shuffle effects? Really?

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Just looking at the list, I can see it giving some possible boost to Genesis Wave hitting more elves instead of lands. I'm sure the number crunching works out a little better than just regular thinning in the hopes of drawing spells over lands late game.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
Just looking at the list, I can see it giving some possible boost to Genesis Wave hitting more elves instead of lands. I'm sure the number crunching works out a little better than just regular thinning in the hopes of drawing spells over lands late game.

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
I could see that as a viable reason.

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Originally posted by stu55:

Doesn't that just fall under Deck thinning?! Aren't you thinning the deck to make Genesis Wave better?

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Originally posted by stu55:

Doesn't that just fall under Deck thinning?! Aren't you thinning the deck to make Genesis Wave better?

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It's deck thinning...with a bit of a difference. The normal argument of thinning is that it increases your chances of drawing non-land cards later in the game. But most point out that the percentage bump is not worth the life loss from doing this.

In this case, it's not necessarily just about drawing cards. It's also about making sure that a Genesis Wave for 9 has a greater chance of hitting 9 elves, instead of 6 elves and 3 lands.

I have not crunched the numbers though, nor has the OP stated that's the purpose. I was just offering it as a theory.

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Originally posted by airwalk:
As a vintage player, I gladly trade life points for any fractional percentage increase in drawing business spells. Hell, I'd do it in any format, always have since fetchlands were introduced. Havn't lost very many games where having 1-3 more life would have made a difference, though I have lost many games to topdecking late game land though. This is of course personal experience versus statistics, which is an impossible battle to argue. I usually play more fetch's than there are lands to fetch even.

This is the first time I have ever heard an arguement where life is more important than deck thinning, oh how times have changed.

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I'm not saying life is more important than deck thinning, I'm just saying it's statistically impractical. And yes, I've played decks with more fetches than lands to fetch. In fact that's my current standard deck!

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Originally posted by iccarus:
Just looking at the list, I can see it giving some possible boost to Genesis Wave hitting more elves instead of lands. I'm sure the number crunching works out a little better than just regular thinning in the hopes of drawing spells over lands late game.

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There you go

(Sorry for the late response, was at work :P)

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Originally posted by junichi:
Priest of Titania & Cradle?

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You don't have to put a revealed card into play, so Wonder goes to the grave. weee.

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Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
I know it sucks but, every time I see this, I just want to say to add Wonder and some Tropical Islands. Now that Concordant Crossroads in especially.

You don't have to put a revealed card into play, so Wonder goes to the grave. weee.

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Originally posted by airwalk:
What would Wonder do? Get over Moat? You're going to likely swing with enough creatures for lethal damage anyway I'm thinking, unless they have an army of Goblin Tokens.

I mean drawing into a Wonder in Madness is good times, drawing into one in Elves... not so fun.

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I said it sucks

If Moat was an issue, just put in Viridian Zealot. Probably better to have 1-2 to supplement Grip/Claim since if you Wave Grip/Claim, they're gone.

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4 Genesis Wave is too many, and way 'win more'

I'd run instead
3 Ezuri (great for dumping mana to win)
1 Regal Force
1 Primal Command

Everytime I could cast Genesis Wave with impact I was in a winning position anyway. When I couldn't cast them, they were like taking mulligans.

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Originally posted by James_Hetfield2:
I think I played you on MODO against this deck

I was playing Dark Horizons or Eva Green. Engineered Plague feels like the only chance I have against that deck.

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Yup you did

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Originally posted by Jtrade77:

Edit: Joraga Treespeaker is much better than Arbor Elf.

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I have only 1 land on turn 2 pretty often, so treespeaker is a no go for me.