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yakusoku Member	posted February 21, 2011 06:52 AM 4-Card Blind (4CB) is a very unique game. The rules are as follows: * Your deck is composed of 4 cards, all of which start in your hand. * You have no library (technically, the library exists, but starts at 0 cards) and no sideboard (Wishes fetch nothing). * Random effects always go against the owner of the card. * You can see your opponent's hand, so you can always make the best possible play. * You don't lose as a result of not being able to draw a card. * You will play each opponent twice, once going first, once going second. * For each win, you score 3. * For each draw, you score 1. * For each loss, you get nothing. * A subgame played with the card Shahrazad will result in an incomplete game and both players will receive ZERO points, since the main game cannot be resumed. Neither player loses or draws, so neither player earns any points. * Other than the aforementioned, EVERYTHING IS HANDLED EXACTLY LIKE A REAL GAME OF MAGIC! Remember, it is important for your deck to include a way to cast your cards! (Lands, artifact mana, pitch cards, etc.) If you want to play PM me a message in this format. Subject should include "Vanishing 4-Card Blind" (Just click on the little PM icon above my post and it should work out that way.) Card #1 Card #2 Card #3 Card #4 Be sure you really are happy with your deck before you submit. Once you send in a deck, there is no changing it except in the case of an illegal entry. Please make every effort to spell your card names correctly. It makes it easier for everyone. Thanks. The "Vanishing" part is the twist. To start off with, only Unglued, Unhinged and Ante cards are banned. After each round, the 4 cards in the winning deck plus any cards in more than 1/3 of the decks played will be banned for all future rounds. Any lands that only provide mana are exempted from the banning rules. --------------Current banned list-------------- All Unglued cards All Unhinged cards All Ante cards All cards not appearing in Gatherer (World Champion, Shichifukujin Dragon, cards from a new set not yet released, etc.) Lands: Ancient Den Blinkmoth Nexus Dark Depths Dryad Arbor Gemstone Caverns Ghost Quarter Gods' Eye, Gate to the Reikai Great Furnace Grove of the Burnwillows Inkmoth Nexus Karakas Maze of Ith Mishra's Factory Mishra's Workshop Mutavault Piranha Marsh Rishadan Port Shelldock Isle Sheltered Valley Strip Mine The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale Tarnished Citadel Tolarian Academy Undiscovered Paradise Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth Vault of the Whispers Wasteland Colorless: Emrakul, the Aeon Torn Kozilek, Butcher of Truth Pathrazer of Ulamog Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre Artifacts: Arcbound Ravager Black Lotus Chalice of the Void Chimeric Mass Chrome Mox Darksteel Brute Eater of Days Elixir of Immortality Energy Chamber Ensnaring Bridge Epochrasite Isochron Scepter Jhoira's Toolbox Lion's Eye Diamond Lodestone Golem Lotus Bloom Lotus Petal Mana Crypt Mana Vault Memnite Mox Emerald Mox Jet Mox Opal Mox Pearl Mox Ruby Mox Sapphire Myr Battlesphere Myr Servitor Ornithopter Phyrexian Dreadnought Phrexian Revoker Platinum Angel Pithing Needle Scalding Tongs Sol Ring Sphere of Resistance Steel Overseer Sword of the Meek Tel-Jilad Stylus The Rack Thopter Foundry Thorn of Amethyst Tidehollow Sculler Time Vault Trinisiphere Voltaic Key Welding Jar Wurmcoil Engine Multi-Colored: Dragon Broodmother Lightning Helix Meddling Mage Tidehollow Sculler Vindicate Wilt-Leaf Liege Black: Bitterblossom Blackmail Blind Creeper Cabal Therapy Contaminated Ground Corpulent Corpse Dark Ritual Death's Shadow Delirium Skeins Diabolic Edict Dread Duress Encroach Evil Presence Exhume Funeral Charm Gatekeeper of Malakir Hymn to Tourach Inquisition of Kozilek Mesmeric Fiend Mind Swords Mind Twist Nether Spirit Nyxathid Oona's Prowler Raving Oni-Slave Reanimate Sarcomancy Shadow Guildmage Sinkhole Skittering Skirge Smallpox Snuff Out Tendrils of Despair Thoughtseize Unmask Vampire Hexmage Wretched Anurid Blue: Annex Brainstorm Chain of Vapor Cloud of Faeries Confiscate Cursecatcher Daze Energy Field Flash Foil Force of Will Force Spike Frost Titan Indentured Djinn Kira, Great Glass Spinner Leyline of Anticipation Leyline of Singularity Pongify Reef Shaman Sea's Claim Show and Tell Sower of Temptation Sphinx of Jwar Isle Stormscape Apprentice Tidal Warrior Web of Inertia Words of Wind Green: Basking Rootwalla Channel Durkwood Baloth Elvish Lookout Elvish Spirit Guide Helix Pinnacle Lush Growth Reckless Wurm Rogue Elephant Scythe Tiger Skyshroud Cutter Tukatongue Thallid Woodfall Primus Words of Wilding Red: Artifact Blast Barbed Shocker Blazing Shoal Blood Moon Boldwyr Heavyweights Boom/Bust Burning Inquiry Crack the Earth Decree of Annihilation Form of the Dragon Goblin Guide Goblin Welder Greater Gargadon Keldon Halberdiers Lightning Bolt Magus of the Moon Pact of the Titan Punishing Fire Raze Seething Song Shah of Naar Isle Simian Spirit Guide Sneak Attack Sonic Seizure Words of War White: Angel's Grace Balance Cenn's Tactician Decree of Justice Elspeth, Knight-Errant Isamaru, Hound of Konda Ivory Giant Knight of Sursi Leyline of Sanctity Loyal Sentry Mana Tithe Oblivion Ring Path to Exile Preacher Purity Restore Balance Runed Halo Serra Ascendant Student of Warfare Swords to Plowshares Banned Decks (History) Round 1: first of the first, ryan2754 Black Lotus Indentured Djinn Force of Will Kira, Great Glass Spinner Round 2: second only to the first round winner, Tim Shaffer: Mishra's Workshop Trinisphere Ensnaring Bridge Scalding Tongs Round 3: reclaiming the title, Tim Shaffer: Balance Crystal Vein The Rack Mox Pearl Round 4: if it weren't for that Meddling yakusoku: Karakas Leyline of Singularity Meddling Mage Mox Sapphire Round 5: triple-teamed by Battle_of_Twits, Celeborn006, and ryan2754: Mountain Burning Inquiry Lion's Eye Diamond Reckless Wurm Burning Inquiry Plateau Mox Ruby Cenn's Tactician Gemstone Caverns Force Spike Tropical Island Durkwood Baloth Round 6: 1-2 punch from MasterWolf and Jtrade77: Bitterblossom Sheltered Valley Mox Jet Maze of Ith Icatian Store Icatian Store Wilt-Leaf Liege Wilt-Leaf Liege Round 7, naming your cards and eating your brains, Battle_of_Twits: Swamp Cabal Therapy Sarcomancy Tel-Jilad Stylus Round 8, two mana is too much for Celeborn006: Daze Tundra Path to Exile Isamaru, Hound of Konda Round 9, with ZERO total creature spells, coinmagic45 and yakusoku: Strip Mine Sol Ring Isochron Scepter Lightning Helix Mox Emerald Strip Mine Sol Ring Words of Wilding Round 10, with artifacts, artifacts, and more artifacts, Battle_of_Twits: Mana Crypt Mana Crypt Arcbound Ravager Lodestone Golem Round 11, with lands, lands, and more lands, Battle_of_Twits: The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale Ghost Quarter Mutavault Mishra's Factory Round 12, smells like Nether Spirit - coinmagic45: Lotus Bloom Nether Spirit Smallpox Thoughtseize Round 13, take two - MasterWolf and Battle_of_Twits: Ancient Tomb Wasteland Epochrasite Sphere of Resistance Artifact Blast Simian Spirit Guide Mountain Keldon Halberdier Round 14, it takes TWO baby - damnthedoodle and yakusoku: Undiscovered Paradise Helix Pinnacle Blackmail Swords to Plowshares Saprazzan Cove Web of Inertia Sphinx of Jwar Isle Darksteel Brute Round 15, what a shocker - Battle_of_Twits: Crystal Vein Lotus Petal Seething Song Barbed Shocker Round 16, a deck so nice, it got played twice - Battle_of_Twits and yakusoku: Swamp Dark Ritual Delirium Skeins Basking Rootwalla Round 17, winning with a 2-D Avatar, yakusoku: Dark Depths Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth Duress Vampire Hexmage Round 18, he can't lose the game - coinmagic45 Subterranean Hangar Subterranean Hangar Gatekeeper of Malakir Platinum Angel Round 19, showing you can't spell "Greater Gargadon" without "GG" - coinmagic45: Raze Mountain Dryad Arbor Greater Gargadon Round 20, one point is all it takes - coinmagic45: Swamp Evil Presence Encroach Corpulent Corpse Round 21, Channeling his life into a winner - WCFmo: Elvish Spirit Guide Elvish Spirit Guide Channel Emrakul, the Aeons Torn Round 22, Rookie of the Round - Myy Icatian Store Icatian Store Purity Runed Halo Round 22, played by over 1/3 of the field (3/8): Skittering Skirge Round 23, Annihilating your permanents, wayne: Mercadian Bazaar Mercadian Bazaar Sneak Attack Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre Round 23, played by over 1/3 of the field (3/7): Dread Round 24, Myr money, Myr problems - Liq: Swamp Myr Servitor Myr Servitor Myr Servitor Round 25, played by over 1/3rd of all players (3/7): Goblin Guide Pithing Needle Round 25, 'cause you gotta have faith - yakusoku: Icatian Store Icatian Store Faith's Fetters Eternal Dragon Round 26, Foiled by coinmagic45: Island Sand Silos Foil Kozilek, Butcher of Truth Round 27, he's in your tourney, takin' your turns - coinmagic45: City of Traitors Blinkmoth Nexus Time Vault Voltaic Key Round 28, leaving you with no hand, no land, or no life - wayne: Peat Bog Sinkhole Unmask Raving Oni-Slave Round 29, Magus of the Mooning everyone else - yakusoku: Chrome Mox City of Traitors Magus of the Moon Words of War Round 30, keeping us in suspense with Suspend, coinmagic45: Gemstone Mine Restore Balance Ivory Giant Chain of Vapor Round 31, a thorn in our sides, MAB_Rapper: Ancient Tomb Ancient Tomb Thorn of Amethyst Eater of Days Round 31, played by over 1/3rd of players: Sea's Claim Round 32, winning with all creatures and no creatures, Magic1264 and MAB_Rapper: Saprazzan Skerry Energy Field Piranha Marsh Words of Wind City of Traitors Steel Overseer Steel Overseer Ornithopter Round 33, winning with one card tied behind his back, WCFmo: Leyline of Sanctity Inquisition of Kozilek Student of Warfare Scrubland Round 34, winning through the fyre and flames, Alexisonfyre: Tarnished Citadel Lush Growth Lightning Bolt Death's Shadow Round 35, widening the gap between him and the rest of the mortals, coinmagic45: City of Traitors Leyline of Anticipation Phyrexian Dreadnought Phyrexian Dreadnought Round 36, annihilating the opposition, yakusoku: Swamp Funeral Charm Reanimate Pathrazer of Ulamog Round 37, junichi activate! Form of the Dragon! Island Shelldock Isle Brainstorm Form of the Dragon Round 38, easy as 1-2-3, spell, creature, win, from wayne: Peat Bog Contaminated Ground Hymn to Tourach Wretched Anurid Round 39, winning with a rogue strategy, WCFmo: Cursecatcher Tidal Warrior Rogue Elephant Tropical Island Round 40, he's Fiendish, Diabolic, Creepy, and uh... Boggy - coinmagic45 Mesmeric Fiend Diabolic Edict Blind Creeper Peat Bog Round 41, blue spell + blue spell + blue spell = win, coinmagic45: Sand Silos Show and Tell Frost Titan Confiscate Round 42, the answer to life, the universe, and everything - junichi: Preacher Elspeth, Knight-Errant Remote Farm City of Traitors Round 43, Tiger, tiger burning bright. In the Forest/Swamp - Alexisonfyre: Bayou Memnite Tendrils of Despair Scythe Tiger Round 44, flashing everyone, er... uh... bringing out a big, green dumb guy whenever he could play an instant - yakusoku: Saprazzan Skerry Flash Cloud of Faeries Woodfall Primus Round 45, winning without paying mana for spells - yakusoku: Bayou Tukatongue Thallid Mind Swords Skyshroud Cutter Round 45, played by over 1/3rd of the field (3/7): Boldwyr Heavyweights Round 46, armed with all the right tools to beat everyone else - Myy: City of Traitors Jhoira's Toolbox Chalice of the Void Energy Chamber Round 47, Look out! It's coinmagic45 with another win: Bayou Rishadan Port Elvish Lookout Snuff Out Round 48, sending his opponents into Oblivion - yakusoku: Icatian Store Icatian Store Oblivion Ring Decree of Justice Round 49, winning the battle and the round - NumotFlame96: Goblin Welder Sonic Seizure Great Furnace Myr Battlesphere Round 50 - winning with a big artifact creature? This looks familiar, NumotFlame96: Mana Vault Mana Vault Wurmcoil Engine Ancient Tomb Round 51 - two mana is too much for coinmagic45: Plateau Crack the Earth Loyal Sentry Knight of Sursi Round 52 - two people with the right answer and 42 points to win, coinmagic45 and Numotflame96 Badlands Gods' Eye, Gate to the Reikai Shadow Guildmage Boom/Bust Tolarian Academy Thopter Foundry Sword of the Meek Ancient Den Round 53 - land hate brought to you by Battle_of_Twits and yakusoku: Saprazzan Skerry City of Traitors Annex Sower of Temptation City of Traitors Mountain Blood Moon Chimeric Mass Round 54, with 2% more points than second place, Absurd90: Mox Opal Vault of Whispers Tidehollow Sculler Welding Jar Round 55, all for one mana and one mana for all, from WCFmo: Reef Shaman Stormscape Apprentice Pongify Tundra Round 56, netdecking FTW! - coinmagic45: Plains City of Traitors Elixir of Immortality Serra Ascendant Round 57, There be DRAGONS! - yakusoku: Peat Bog Oona's Prowler Exhume Dragon Broodmother Round 58, originality is overrated - yakusoku and WCFmo: Peat Bog Plains Vindicate Nyxathid Round 59, punishing everyone else - coinmagic45: Plateau Grove of the Burnwillows Mana Tithe Punishing Fire Round 60, finally winning with his deck - Myy Plains Pact of the Titan Pact of the Titan Angel's Grace Round 61, Shah-ly you jest; only creatures and lands? - yakusoku: Sandstone Needle City of Traitors Shah of Naar Isle Shah of Naar Isle Round 62, with the superior Inkmoth Nexus deck - coinmagic45: Molten Slagheap Inkmoth Nexus Blazing Shoal Decree of Annihilation Round 63, no twist ending - yakusoku: Peat Bog City of Traitors Mind Twist Phyrexian Revoker --------------End of Banning list-------------- I will try and post a new round every Monday, allow submissions through Wednesday, reveal deck lists first thing on Thursday and review results posted over the weekend. NO MISE DECKS! Any deck submitted MUST have some win condition. Any deck that can do no better than a draw against any possible deck will be rejected. A deck that can't win any game is mathematically eliminated from winning the round, and thus would just be taking a chance to win away from someone who could actually have a shot. ALL players will assist in judging. The way this will work is that after the submission period is over, After all decks are revealed, judge your own deck against every other deck (going first and going second). Post your findings here in this thread. They will be reviewed by everyone for accuracy. Once a winner is determined the winners deck will be added to the banned list and the next round will begin. Repeated failure to do your own scoring will result in suspensions! The Winners List (Games won): 17 coinmagic45 16 yakusoku 8 Battle_of_Twits 5 WCFmo 3 Myy Numotflame96 wayne 2 Alexisonfyre Celeborn006 junichi MAB_Rapper MasterWolf ryan2754 Tim Shaffer 1 Absurd90 damnthedoodle Jtrade77 Liq Magic1264 Suspensions for Round 64 (failure to score Round 63): NONE! Decklists: 1. Magic1264 Fountain of Cho Fountain of Cho White Sun's Zenith Martial Coup 2. yakusoku Mountain City of Traitors Mox Diamond Dwarven Miner 3. MeddlingMage Subterranean Hangar Subterranean Hangar Black Sun's Zenith Reassembling Skeleton 4. Numotflame96 Fountain of Cho Fountain of Cho Planar Cleansing White Sun's Zenith 5. coinmagic45 Tinder Farm Ancient Tomb Ajani Vengeant Ratchet Bomb 6. Absurd90 City of Traitors Mountain Cursed Scroll Squee, Goblin Nabob 7. Myy Swamp Peat Bog Phyrexian Crusader Phyrexian Crusader [Edited 5 times, lastly by yakusoku on February 27, 2011]
yakusoku Member	posted February 24, 2011 06:11 AM I forgot to remind everyone yesterday, so I am going to extend the deadline until FRIDAY. Today is the last day to submit a deck. I will post the lists tomorrow, on FRIDAY.
coinmagic45 Member	posted February 24, 2011 12:53 PM Doh! And I spent an hour last night perfecting my deck, too :-( Oh well, I guess I'll be ready to win this week once the decks are posted tomorrow :-) -Mark __________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky Blackborder.com Grading Guide
yakusoku Member	posted February 25, 2011 06:26 AM The decklists have been posted. You may use other formats as well, but this one is a must. Also PLEASE make sure you use the proper deck number for your deck. Replace the '?' on the bottom line with the number next to your name on the decklist. Scoring: Play your deck against each other deck twice, once with you going first, once with them going first. Always remember that each deck is to be played perfectly. For each of the 2 games, score 3 points if your deck wins or 1 point if the game is a draw, with no points for a loss. Some examples: 2 wins (WW) is 6 points. A win and a draw (WD) is 4 points. A win and a loss (WL) is 3 points. 2 draws (DD) is 2 points. A draw and a loss (DL) is 1 point. 2 losses (LL) is 0 points. Plug YOUR deck number into the ? below the ##, and your score against each deck into the other slots. Do not play your deck against itself. Just enter an 'x' in the chart under your deck number. Please copy-and-paste the following code into your Message box in order to assist you with scoring: code: [CODE] ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 TOTAL ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? [/CODE]
coinmagic45 Member	posted February 25, 2011 07:43 AM Sweet, earlier than lunch time today :-) What a good distraction from doing work! code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 TOTAL 05 6 6 6 6 X 6 3 33 1. Magic1264 - On the draw, he plays turn 1 Fountain. I play Farm. He puts 1 counter and plays Fountain #2. I play Ajani and keep the 1 counter land tapped (Ajani = 4). He puts 1 counter on Fountain #2. I play Ratchet Bomb and keep 1 counter land tapped (Ajani = 5). He puts 2 counters on Fountain #2. I keep Fountain #2 tapped (Ajani = 6). He puts 2 counters on Fountain #1. I keep Fountain #2 tapped (Ajani = 7). He puts 3 counters on Fountain #1. I keep Fountain #1 tapped (Ajani = 8). He puts 3 counters on Fountain #2. I used Ajani's ultimate and win. WW 2. yakusoku - On the play, Ajani comes down and kills Miner and I will. On the draw, if he plays turn 1 Miner, I play turn 1 Ratchet Bomb and blow it to kill Mox. Miner can't kill my lands any more, so Ajani wins. So, he has to go for turn 2 Miner. But by turn 2, I can play Ajani and kill it. WW 3. MeddlingMage - I use Ajani to alternately tap his lands so none get many counters until I can Ajani ultimate and win. WW 4. Numotflame96 - See Magic1264. WW 6. Absurd90 - Ratchet Bomb kills Scroll. Ajani wins. WW 7. Myy - On the play, Ajani keeps Bog tapped down for the win. On the draw, he plays Bog. I play Farm. He plays Crusader. I play Ratchet Bomb and go to 1 counter. He attacks me to 2 poison. Ratchet goes to 2 counters. If I play Ajani and blow Ratchet Bomb, he drops the other Crusader and kills Ajani then me. I can't stop that. WL __________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky Blackborder.com Grading Guide [Edited 1 times, lastly by coinmagic45 on February 27, 2011]
Absurd90 Member	posted February 25, 2011 07:49 AM 1. Magic1264 - On the play I can kill him on turn 11, but he can kill me turn 8. LL turn 1, cho #1 turn 2, cho #2, cho #1 haS 1 counter turn 3, cho #1 2 counters, cho #2 1 counter turn 4, cho #1 3 counters, cho #2 2 counters turn 5, cho #1 4 counters, cho #2 3 counters -> plays White Sun's Zenith x = 4 turn 6, 8 damage turn 7, 16 damage turn 8, lethal 2. yakusoku - WW 3. MeddlingMage - WW 4. Numotflame96 - Look #1. LL 5. coinmagic45 LL 6. Absurd90 XX code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 TOTAL 06 0 6 6 0 0 x 12 [Edited 1 times, lastly by Absurd90 on February 25, 2011]
Numotflame96 Member	posted February 25, 2011 08:57 AM quote: Originally posted by coinmagic45: Sweet, earlier than lunch time today :-) What a good distraction from doing work! my thoughts exactly XD any way scoring: 123456 206X06 total=14 1. Magic1264 - DD Fountain of Cho Fountain of Cho White Sun's Zenith Martial Coup T1 - Fountain T1 - Fountain T2 - Fountain T2 - Fountain >>charge until i have 13 counters, end of turn i make 10 tokens he makesa token for 4 mana and blocks, leaving him at 2. he untaps, and casts matial coup, both of us have 0 mana left. i get 2 mana end of that turn. i pass. he gets 2 mana and attacks for 5. i go to 15. i untap with 4 mana, then pass. he goes to 4 mana then attacks me to 10. i cast zenith for 3 tokens when he attacks, block 3 tokens, and go to 8. he has 6 maan at this point ,i have 0.he flashes 3 new tokens EOT, if he atttacks, i can kill his tokens and end up on top. if not we sit there in a stalemate since we both have the same amount of mana, i can't hit damage through, he can only hit 2 damage through and i'm at 8. i think this ends up as a Draw. and on the play, its the same thing just i'm at 3 instead of 8 i think i might nead to find a friedn to help play this one out since halfway throug i totally confused myself 2. yakusoku - LL Mountain City of Traitors Mox Diamond Dwarven Miner 3. MeddlingMage - WW Subterranean Hangar Subterranean Hangar Black Sun's Zenith Reassembling Skeleton 4. Numotflame96 - XX Fountain of Cho Fountain of Cho Planar Cleansing White Sun's Zenith 5. coinmagic45 - LL Tinder Farm Ancient Tomb Ajani Vengeant Ratchet Bomb 6. Absurd90 - WW City of Traitors Mountain Cursed Scroll Squee, Goblin Nabob arg!!! why did i change decks... my deck from last week would have won
WCFmo Member	posted February 25, 2011 02:04 PM Dang, I have been so busy these last two weeks I keep forgetting to post a deck...damn. __________________ <Liq> you just can't expect a sig worthy line to appear out of nowhere on demand <stacker> i dont hang out with the patients afterwards, we got nurses for that Dakrum - I don't know get to how I die? Noooooooooo. <Lucidity> Why would anyone lay Thrun
yakusoku Member	posted February 26, 2011 05:00 AM code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 TOTAL 02 6 X 6 6 0 1 3 22 1. Magic1264 WW. I blow up his lands before he can play anything. 2. yakusoku XX 3. MeddlingMage WW. I blow up his lands before he can play anything. 4. Numotflame96 WW. I blow up his lands before he can play anything. 5. coinmagic45 LL. I lose Mox to Ratchet Bomb or lose Miner to Ajani. Either way, I lose. 6. Absurd90 DL. On the play, he loses City; I lose Miner. On the draw, he can deal 2 damage to the Miner before I can destroy the City. 7. Myy WL. One the play, I can destroy his Peat Bog before he can play anything. On the draw, he beats me to it and a single Phyrexian Crusader sneaks by and wins it. So, it looks like it's that time again. We've managed to go well past a year into the tournament, but the number of people who play has gone down and down with this being the lowest we've ever had. Shall we proceed with a very small number of people? Should we call it a wrap and put the game on hiatus for awhile? Should we do a reboot? [Edited 1 times, lastly by yakusoku on February 27, 2011]
coinmagic45 Member	posted February 26, 2011 10:12 AM quote: Originally posted by yakusoku: So, it looks like it's that time again. We've managed to go well past a year into the tournament, but the number of people who play has gone down and down with this being the lowest we've ever had. Shall we proceed with a very small number of people? Should we call it a wrap and put the game on hiatus for awhile? Should we do a reboot? This is the first _CB tournament I have done. How did it work in the past? Did you call it quits after the numbers dwindled, or did you go a set number of rounds, or what? I really enjoy this tournament, so I'd hate to see it end! Is there some way we can get more people interested? __________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky Blackborder.com Grading Guide
yakusoku Member	posted February 26, 2011 10:29 AM quote: Originally posted by coinmagic45: This is the first _CB tournament I have done. How did it work in the past? Did you call it quits after the numbers dwindled, or did you go a set number of rounds, or what? I really enjoy this tournament, so I'd hate to see it end! Is there some way we can get more people interested? Previously, when it was V3CB, we "rebooted" the game and started everything from scratch with no wins, no banned cards snd started from there. This time around, someone suggested we play with four cards so people would automatically fall back on the 3 card decks we all know. There isn't a pre-determined number of rounds, but you just can tell when things are dying down, like people leaving a party. Usually the only way to get a bunch of people interested is to start fresh and ask everyone if they want to play. When we get into single digits of people playing, the game is showing signs of growing old and when it's under 8 people, it's pretty much time to end this iteration. For reference, here is the first round of V4CB. This is the last round of V3CB.
Numotflame96 Member	posted February 26, 2011 08:25 PM maybe go a few more rounds and see if we get more attendance? when i started this tournament some rounds ago, i took a while to look back at lots of the old rounds and some of the 3CB rounds. i think part of the problem is that normally, when the card pool starts to dwindle, a new set comes out offering new options, i bringing new decks for people. personally i think that Mirrodin beseiged was a week set in general, and it doesn't help that the nature of 4cb is that the curves are much lower than constructed (if you even call it a curve) and lots of the cards in MBS are geared to lots of mana or lots of cards to work with. basically, compared to when i came in round 49 (i think) the card pool is drastically small and didn't really get replenished. less card=less decks=less interest=less people maybe try Vanishing 5 Card Blind? capaired to 4card blind it seems so broken...
Myy Member	posted February 27, 2011 09:48 AM I thought I subimitted a deck too. I could be worng. but I'm all in for next week.
yakusoku Member	posted February 27, 2011 10:16 AM quote: Originally posted by Myy: I thought I subimitted a deck too. I could be worng. but I'm all in for next week. You did. My apologies. I noted your deck and forgot to copy its contents for some reason. I'll fix the scores later.
Myy Member	posted February 28, 2011 07:28 AM 1. Magic1264 WW Fountain of Cho Fountain of Cho White Sun's Zenith Martial Coup 2. yakusoku LW Mountain City of Traitors Mox Diamond Dwarven Miner 3. MeddlingMage WW Subterranean Hangar Subterranean Hangar Black Sun's Zenith Reassembling Skeleton 4. Numotflame96 WW Fountain of Cho Fountain of Cho Planar Cleansing White Sun's Zenith 5. coinmagic45 WL Tinder Farm Ancient Tomb Ajani Vengeant Ratchet Bomb 6. Absurd90 LL City of Traitors Mountain Cursed Scroll Squee, Goblin Nabob code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 TOTAL 07 6 3 6 6 3 0 X 24
yakusoku Member	posted March 02, 2011 11:18 AM Final Scores: code: 01 X 0 0 2 0 6 0 08 02 6 X 6 6 0 1 3 22 03 6 0 X 0 0 0 0 06 04 2 0 6 X 0 6 0 14 05 6 6 6 6 X 6 3 33 <= winner! 06 0 6 6 0 0 x 6 18 07 6 3 6 6 3 0 X 24 The tournament is officially on hiatus until I determine the best course of action to take. Right now, I am leaning towards a complete reboot of 4CB.
Myy Member	posted March 02, 2011 11:38 AM I vote we keep on it. let's see what next week brings.
MAB_Rapper Member	posted March 02, 2011 12:02 PM I'll admit, I stopped playing because I simply got extremly busy with everything. The fact that this listed as long as it did is a good sign, but I do agree it might be time to freshen it up. __________________ MOTL's Most Likely to Play in the Pro Tour - 2007, 2008, and 2009 (My Nationals) Cracking the Top 100 Ref Count - 4/1/10 (Currently #72 - #5 in new York)
WCFmo Member	posted March 02, 2011 12:13 PM quote: Originally posted by MAB_Rapper: I'll admit, I stopped playing because I simply got extremly busy with everything. The fact that this listed as long as it did is a good sign, but I do agree it might be time to freshen it up. 5 cards would be awesome...I cannot count the number of times I had created a great combo but couldn't get it done w/ just 4 cards. __________________ <Liq> you just can't expect a sig worthy line to appear out of nowhere on demand <stacker> i dont hang out with the patients afterwards, we got nurses for that Dakrum - I don't know get to how I die? Noooooooooo. <Lucidity> Why would anyone lay Thrun
coinmagic45 Member	posted March 02, 2011 12:22 PM quote: Originally posted by WCFmo: 5 cards would be awesome...I cannot count the number of times I had created a great combo but couldn't get it done w/ just 4 cards. Agreed. It will be VERY complicated, I think, to have 5 cards and determine the "right" play. But that's the fun part! And it will give more room for creativity. And land-disruption cards (Lush Growth, etc.) will be less dominating. V4CB is a bit boring when Peat Bog + City of Traitors + Discard + fattie is always competitive because there are unlimited discard spells. Maybe adding a fifth card will give more deck flexibility to play around these strategies.
Myy Member	posted March 02, 2011 12:35 PM I say we do just 1 more to see if Coinmagic is the real winner of this Game, or if Yaku can do it once more. last battle of the Titans
WCFmo Member	posted March 02, 2011 12:37 PM quote: Originally posted by Myy: I say we do just 1 more to see if Coinmagic is the real winner of this Game, or if Yaku can do it once more. last battle of the Titans Correct me if I'm wrong here but coinmagic just won, so he'd be 2 ahead. Though if YAK and Coin want to play amongst themselves I have no objection :P __________________ <Liq> you just can't expect a sig worthy line to appear out of nowhere on demand <stacker> i dont hang out with the patients afterwards, we got nurses for that
Myy Member	posted March 02, 2011 12:41 PM quote: Originally posted by WCFmo: Correct me if I'm wrong here but coinmagic just won, so he'd be 2 ahead. Though if YAK and Coin want to play amongst themselves I have no objection :P I believe you are correct Sir. but this can be like what we call the golden goal, or sudden death. 1 vs 1 winner takes all :P
coinmagic45 Member	posted March 02, 2011 02:14 PM quote: Originally posted by Myy: I believe you are correct Sir. but this can be like what we call the golden goal, or sudden death. 1 vs 1 winner takes all :P Well, since I have no more deck ideas, how about we just call it mine since I went WW against just about everyone this week :-) If we do start a V5CB, can we promote it or something to get more people interested? Rounds with 10-15 decklists are pretty awesome! __________________ 3rd most references in Kentucky; 3rd most posts in Kentucky Blackborder.com Grading Guide
WCFmo Member	posted March 02, 2011 02:21 PM quote: Originally posted by coinmagic45: If we do start a V5CB, can we promote it or something to get more people interested? Rounds with 10-15 decklists are pretty awesome! I just paid for a billboard in downtown Detroit, Michigan. I'm thinking we can get some ads on the March Madness tournament and maybe even a blimp? We are going to have to sell a lot of MOTL cookies in order to do this though... :P __________________ <Liq> you just can't expect a sig worthy line to appear out of nowhere on demand <stacker> i dont hang out with the patients afterwards, we got nurses for that

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