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MTDetermine
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posted March 15, 2011 07:01 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for MTDetermine Click Here to Email MTDetermine Send a private message to MTDetermine Click to send MTDetermine an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Someone bought some stuff from me. The value was pretty high, so I split the shipment into 2 packages, each package was registered mail.

The customer told me that he only received 1 package, not 2. We checked his country's post-office website's tracking and both packages were shown as delivered.

According to MOTL rules, am I liable for the "2nd lost package" even though the post-office website showed that both packages were delivered?

 
bertie312
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posted March 15, 2011 08:26 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for bertie312 Click Here to Email bertie312 Send a private message to bertie312 Click to send bertie312 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Sorry For You

I've got a Similar Case In my beginning in Here... I Just Send Registred but Do not ask For delivery Confirmation...

I was Done...

BTW Where did you send tHe Package ? USA, Europ ??

EDiT : In France for Delivery you can require a signature from the buyer to get the package, that what i mean when i ask if he send and for the DC

[Edited 1 times, lastly by bertie312 on March 15, 2011]

 
dwiz
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posted March 15, 2011 08:27 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for dwiz Click Here to Email dwiz Send a private message to dwiz Click to send dwiz an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View dwiz's Trade Auction or SaleView dwiz's Trade Auction or Sale
I don't see how you could be liable seeing as it was delivered. If Delivery Confirmation shows as delivered and you aren't protected, there is no protection for sellers.
 
MTDetermine
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posted March 15, 2011 08:54 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for MTDetermine Click Here to Email MTDetermine Send a private message to MTDetermine Click to send MTDetermine an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
It was an Asian country. In my country, for registered mail, you need to show your identity card and sign on a document when you collect the registered mail.

I am not sure what is delivery confirmation --> thought it is same as registered mail?

In the past, I paid $1 for a AR service, where if the mail was sent, the postman on the other side will mail me a document showing it was signed. But stopped using AR after I realized that only 20% of the AR registered article's document are sent back to me.

 
wayne
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posted March 15, 2011 09:22 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for wayne Click Here to Email wayne Send a private message to wayne Click to send wayne an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View wayne's Have/Want ListView wayne's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by MTDetermine:
It was an Asian country. In my country, for registered mail, you need to show your identity card and sign on a document when you collect the registered mail.

I am not sure what is delivery confirmation --> thought it is same as registered mail?

In the past, I paid $1 for a AR service, where if the mail was sent, the postman on the other side will mail me a document showing it was signed. But stopped using AR after I realized that only 20% of the AR registered article's document are sent back to me.



I guess you could try contacting the country's Post Office and check their verification process. Then check who collected the registered articles.

 
PortlisX
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posted March 15, 2011 12:56 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for PortlisX Click Here to Email PortlisX Send a private message to PortlisX Click to send PortlisX an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dwiz:
I don't see how you could be liable seeing as it was delivered. If Delivery Confirmation shows as delivered and you aren't protected, there is no protection for sellers.

I agree completely with this.

 
airwalk
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posted March 15, 2011 03:02 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for airwalk Send a private message to airwalk Click to send airwalk an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by MTDetermine:
I am not sure what is delivery confirmation --> thought it is same as registered mail?

They are quite different really.

Registered Mail is recorded in a register and tracked, with optional insurance. There is a chain of custody when dealing with Registered Mail which adds a lot of accountability to each package (the government ships things classified up to as far as Secret with Registered Mail). Registered Mail gets handled differently than normal mail, it's under much tighter security measures. It also comes with Delivery Confirmation built in for all intents and purposes.

Delivery Confirmation is as simple as it sounds, the mail recieves no preferential treatment, you pay to see the date, ZIP Code and time your parcel was delivered.

Now, this is how things work for Canada/USA, for Asian countries... I have no idea if they follow the same model for serviced and terminology. For all I know 'Delivery Confirmation' in China could provide all the services Registered Mail does in Canada/USA. You will have to inquire with the post offices in your country and do some talking on the phone with people to figure out how the system is supposed to work. In your country, a verified DC could mean it was delivered to their door, or to a postal depot somewhere... who knows?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by airwalk on March 15, 2011]

 
MTDetermine
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posted March 16, 2011 07:44 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for MTDetermine Click Here to Email MTDetermine Send a private message to MTDetermine Click to send MTDetermine an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bertie312:
Sorry For You

I've got a Similar Case In my beginning in Here... I Just Send Registred but Do not ask For delivery Confirmation...

I was Done...


Bertie312, so you meant that when you sent by registered mail then, because there was no delivery confirmation, so you still lost the case?

If that is the case, I will have to put something like

"You have to agree that as long as the post office website shows the registered mail article has been successfully delivered, I will not be liable for any loss."

 
98ViperGTS
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posted March 16, 2011 11:19 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for 98ViperGTS Click Here to Email 98ViperGTS Send a private message to 98ViperGTS Click to send 98ViperGTS an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by MTDetermine:
Bertie312, so you meant that when you sent by registered mail then, because there was no delivery confirmation, so you still lost the case?

If that is the case, I will have to put something like

"You have to agree that as long as the post office website shows the registered mail article has been successfully delivered, I will not be liable for any loss."


I don't see you being liable for this, unless of course both packages have the same registered tracking number. If the second package shows as being delivered, then it's not your fault.

 
Myy
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posted March 16, 2011 11:35 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Myy Click Here to Email Myy Send a private message to Myy Click to send Myy an Instant MessageVisit Myy's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Myy's Have/Want ListView Myy's Have/Want List
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Originally posted by 98ViperGTS:
I don't see you being liable for this,

This, but you're better off asking a real moderator on this one. Nder or Jaz should help out.

 
NoblePurpose
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posted March 16, 2011 08:20 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for NoblePurpose Click Here to Email NoblePurpose Send a private message to NoblePurpose Click to send NoblePurpose an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Well if registered said it was delivered it was delivered. That is about as good of a service as you can get for international shipping.

Technically, MOTL rules is if the buyer says they didn't receive, then you are in trouble. Legally, it was delivered and you are fine. Assuming you got paid by Paypal, all they would want in evidence is the tracking number showing it was delivered. This is a case though that the guy is clearly lying about the second package. So there might be an exception on the MOTL rules. I would talk to Nderdog or Gunslinga and see what they say.

 
MTDetermine
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posted March 17, 2011 08:36 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for MTDetermine Click Here to Email MTDetermine Send a private message to MTDetermine Click to send MTDetermine an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
To Update:

I told him that since the post office website at his country said it had been delivered, there is nothing much I could do. Between him, me, and his country's post office, the post office is an independent neutral party and people will be more inclined to believe it.

Added that if he did not receive the 2nd package, he should go to the post office and demand to see the 2 signed "Signatory slips" for the 2 registered mail. If the post office could only produce 1 signed "Signatory slip", it means that the post office did not deliver the 2nd package and he should take it up against the post office.

if the post office could produce 2 signed "Signatory slip", it means someone else at his house must have signed for the 2 registered mail and did not give him the 2nd package --> his problem.

He kinda accepted this reply so guess I am relieved.

 

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