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fluffycow Member	posted April 12, 2011 10:37 AM I would like a common/uncommon cube that uses all new face cards (post 8th edition?) and for all the cards to be worth less than a dollar (so no top, vial, path or witness). So when I go to tournaments or something, I can play with people that I don't know and not have to worry about my cards getting stolen. Does someone else have a similar idea that may have started a list? I want the games to be fun, so how should I constructed it? aggro, mid range or all over the place? 360 cards would be ideal. thanks guys
yakusoku Member	posted April 12, 2011 10:59 AM quote: Originally posted by fluffycow: I would like a common/uncommon cube that uses all new face cards (post 8th edition?) and for all the cards to be worth less than a dollar (so no top, vial, path or witness). So when I go to tournaments or something, I can play with people that I don't know and not have to worry about my cards getting stolen. Does someone else have a similar idea that may have started a list? I want the games to be fun, so how should I constructed it? aggro, mid range or all over the place? 360 cards would be ideal. thanks guys I have a main cube with rares and mythics and expensive uncommons which is 400 cards, but I have a smaller cube fitting this exact same description for all the reasons you mention. Ideally, you should try to support aggro, mid range, and control, but that's much more difficult with a no-rare cube, since you lose a lot of big bombs and sweepers. So, it's naturally going to gravitate towards aggro much more. I think the main concern with the cube you're designing is to make sure all the colors are balanced, power-wise and that certain colors like blue, which are not normally geared towards aggro, can still support it in some fashion. I tend to include more creatures costing 3 or less in blue to shift its emphasis some, while still playing with cards like Volition Reins and Mind Control to support some control. I'll see if I can get you a list later.
Lord Crovax Member	posted April 12, 2011 06:47 PM Building what you want, might be a little easier if you go back to say Mercadian, then you could easily build a pauper cube and still support aggro, mid-range, and control in each color. __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
caquaa Member	posted April 13, 2011 12:18 AM if you really want to keep cost down you could also exclude all standard legal cards. It would make it a tad more interesting then a standard draft as you wouldn't see cards you've played with too recently. Cards should be all dirt cheap, just might be a pain to track down.
ravidell Member	posted April 13, 2011 08:54 PM I don't follow the non rare part, many good rares are less than $1.00. You can also proxy cards. I know by me saying this there will be a bunch of people who will post to prove me wrong, but I don't think you are going to have much of an issue with people stealing your junk rares and proxies. The other think you can do is get played cards. Creased and Damaged cards are cheap, even gold bordered. Just something to think about.
Volcanon Member	posted April 14, 2011 11:19 AM Why not make a low-power cube? Then everything is dirt cheap. There's a lot of cool old cards that nobody ever plays anymore that would be playable; you'd generally have a "perfect" limited format instead of a "turbocharged" cube format. There's piles of good enchantments from Saga and Legends (Black pacifism!) and nearly every other set, slivers in three different blocks (if you throw them ALL in in a 360 draft somebody will be able to have a sliver deck). Rebels in two blocks, piles and piles of soldiers, zombies and elves, artifacts from two blocks and Antiquities and so on. Blessed Halo or whatever the "never dies" Holy Strength in Saga is a huge beating, for example. So is cessation. Everything mentioned above can be found for basically nothing except maybe demonic torment, which might be a dollar in nice condition (though, I doubt it).
Lord Crovax Member	posted April 14, 2011 11:21 AM I'm working on a simple common/uncommon cube, not sure how good it will be, or even fun for that matter, but should be interesting non the less. Basically going for simple effects, little keywords, and french vanilla creatures. __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
RitNecroWin Member	posted April 14, 2011 11:35 AM At one point in time, I kept a very low value cube. I settled on a tribal cube and it was a blast! For Blue I had Merfolk, White was Soldiers, Green was Elves, Red was Goblins and Black was Zombies... Suprisingly, it was very balanced... Also, I played several gold creatures that made it difficult for everyone to stay in one color. I had to cut Extinction and Tsabo's Decree because they were INSANE.
Lord Crovax Member	posted April 14, 2011 12:13 PM quote: Originally posted by RitNecroWin: At one point in time, I kept a very low value cube. I settled on a tribal cube and it was a blast! For Blue I had Merfolk, White was Soldiers, Green was Elves, Red was Goblins and Black was Zombies... Suprisingly, it was very balanced... Also, I played several gold creatures that made it difficult for everyone to stay in one color. I had to cut Extinction and Tsabo's Decree because they were INSANE. Yea I imagine so, then again any decent mass removal spell would be, as decks likely tend to be more aggro then anything else. __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
fluffycow Member	posted April 14, 2011 12:23 PM quote: Originally posted by caquaa: if you really want to keep cost down you could also exclude all standard legal cards. It would make it a tad more interesting then a standard draft as you wouldn't see cards you've played with too recently. Cards should be all dirt cheap, just might be a pain to track down. Agree and noted quote: Originally posted by ravidell: I don't follow the non rare part, many good rares are less than $1.00. You can also proxy cards. I know by me saying this there will be a bunch of people who will post to prove me wrong, but I don't think you are going to have much of an issue with people stealing your junk rares and proxies. The other think you can do is get played cards. Creased and Damaged cards are cheap, even gold bordered. Just something to think about. The non rare part is mainly to make things easier. For example austere command is very good and cheap, but so is hallow burial and if I keep going down this path, I will end up with a list that's basically a half-as sed cube and I don't want that. I was to play with cards that I have played with in drafts and you really don't come across the same rare too often quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: Why not make a low-power cube? Then everything is dirt cheap. There's a lot of cool old cards that nobody ever plays anymore that would be playable; you'd generally have a "perfect" limited format instead of a "turbocharged" cube format. There's piles of good enchantments from Saga and Legends (Black pacifism!) and nearly every other set, slivers in three different blocks (if you throw them ALL in in a 360 draft somebody will be able to have a sliver deck). Rebels in two blocks, piles and piles of soldiers, zombies and elves, artifacts from two blocks and Antiquities and so on. Blessed Halo or whatever the "never dies" Holy Strength in Saga is a huge beating, for example. So is cessation. Everything mentioned above can be found for basically nothing except maybe demonic torment, which might be a dollar in nice condition (though, I doubt it). I wanted to keep it new boarded because some old cards are annoying to read and I don't want to have to explain to anyone what an interrupt is. The more I think about it the more aggro I want to make the cube, since I will only be playing with people at events, I would rather have faster games and not have a stupid blue/white control deck that's sitting behind a wall of denial and a handful of counterspells.
yakusoku Member	posted April 14, 2011 07:47 PM Here's my old 270 no-rare cube (although some of the red and black creatures are pretty awful, I'll admit): White (36) Goldmeadow Harrier Elite Vanguard Steppe Lynx Accorder Paladin Kami of Ancient Law Wall of Omens Mistral Charger Blade of the Sixth Pride Stormfront Pegasus Kor Aeronaut Leonin Skyhunter Knight of Meadowgrain Knight of the Holy Nimbus Kor Skyfisher Hand of Honor White Knight Flickerwisp Descendant of Kiyomaro Aven Mindcensor Kor Sanctifiers Celestial Crusader Calciderm Cloudgoat Ranger Serra Angel Faith's Fetters Oust Condemn Pacifism Journey to Nowhere Temporal Isolation Oblivion Ring Spectral Procession Arrest Harm's Way Prison Term Griffin Guide Blue (36) Enclave Cryptologist Il-kor Looter Welkin Tern Sea Gate Oracle Calcite Snapper Wall of Frost Aether Adept Guard Gomazoa Drift of Phantasms Pestermite Neurok Invisimancer Horizon Drake Living Tsunami Thieving Magpie Riftwing Cloudskate Air Elemental Mulldrifter Jetting Glasskite Compulsive Research Broken Ambitions Cancel Into the Roil Mana Leak Forsee Mind Control Vapor Snare Volition Reins Domestication Ponder Preordain Remand Thirst for Knowledge Jace's Ingenuity Sleep Repeal Careful Consideration Black (36) Vampire Lacerator Gatekeeper of Malakir Nezumi Graverobber Child of Night Reassembling Skeleton Black Knight Hand of Cruelty Vampire Nighthawk Faerie Macabre Arrogant Bloodlord Vampire Hexmage Gatekeeper of Malakir Liliana's Specter Phyrexian Rager Necrogen Scudder Nekrataal Marsh Flitter Skinrender Howling Banshee Shriekmaw Infest Nameless Inversion Night's Whisper Barter in Blood Makeshift Mannequin Doom Blade Go for the Throat Terror Grasp of Darkness Smother Incremental Blight Seal of Doom Sudden Death Eyeblight's Ending Inquisition of Kozilek Rend Flesh Red (36) Ember Hauler Plated Geopede Hellspark Elemental Hearth Kami Blood Knight Goblin Wardriver Mogg War Marshal Keldon Marauders Cunning Sparkmage Skirk Shaman Manic Vandal Gathan Raiders Mudbutton Torchrunner Inner-Flame Acolyte Sulfur Elemental Goblin Ruinblaster War-Spike Changeling Reckless Wurm Spitebellows Dragon Fodder Magma Jet Molten Rain Rift Bolt Lash Out Pyroclasm Arc Trail Forked Bolt Burst Lightning Lightning Bolt Flame Javelin Fireball Staggershock Volcanic Fallout Puncture Blast Smash to Smithereens Sulfurous Blast Green (36) Arbor Elf Elves of Deep Shadow Wild Nacatl Llanowar Elves Joraga Treespeaker Thornweald Archer River Boa Mire Boa Beastbreaker of Bala Ged Overgrown Battlement Sakura-Tribe Elder Imperious Perfect Carven Caryatid Gloomwidow Civic Wayfinder Farhaven Elf Mold Shambler Briarhorn Imperiosaur Cudgel Troll Wickerbought Elder Wild Leotau Acidic Slime Indrik Stomphowler Sprout Swarm Kodama's Reach Cultivate Harrow Farseek Krosan Grip Naturalize Bestial Menace Rampant Growth Harmonize Vines of Vastwood Overrun Multicolor (40) Boggart-Ram Gang Branching Bolt Vithian Renegades Firespout Kitchen Finks Watchwolf Qasali Pridemage Behemoth Sledge Trygon Predator Coiling Oracle Snakeform Jhessian Infiltrator Wall of Denial Azorioius Guildmage Court Hussar Momentary Blink Murderous Redcap Bituminous Blast Blightning Terminate Mortify Tidehollow Sculler Unmake Shrieking Grotesque Lightning Helix Skyknight Legionnaire Duergar Hedge-Mage Intimidation Bolt Electrolyze Izzet Chronarch Gelectrode Nucklavee Tidehollow Strix Agony Warp Soul Manipulation Moroii Putrid Leech Putrefy Shambling Shell Necrogenesis Artifacts (25) Azorius Signet Boros Signet Dimir Signet Golgari Signet Gruul Signet Izzet Signet Orzhov Signet Rakdos Signet Selesnya Signet Simic Signet Mistvein Borderpost Veinfire Borderpost Firewild Borderpost Wildfield Borderpost Fieldmist Borderpost Prismatic Lens Everflowing Chalice Mindstone Loxodon Warhammer Bonesplitter Juggernaut Grafted Wargear Crystal Ball Moonglove Extract Land (25) Simic Growth Chamber Izzet Boilerworks Selesnya Sanctuary Boros Garrison Dimir Aqueduct Golgari Rot Farm Gruul Turf Orzhov Basilica Rakdos Carnarium Azorius Chancery Akoum Refuge Graypelt Refuge Jwar Isle Refuge Kazandu Refuge Sejiri Refuge Vivid Crag Vivid Creek Vivid Grove Vivid Marsh Vivid Meadow Arcane Sanctum Crumbling Necropolis Jungle Shrine Savage Land Seaside Citadel
Volcanon Member	posted April 14, 2011 08:37 PM That's an awful lot of fixing. Doesn't that kill off aggro since people can just play "good stuff" decks? Anyway, if you want new-face only I'd still go for cards that have synergy like tribes, slivers, and whatever. Since you have two artifact blocks available, you could stick in support cards or whatever like the 1U double birds guy from darksteel. Get enough artifacts and the affinity/metalcraft stuff gets playable.
fluffycow Member	posted April 15, 2011 11:05 AM quote: Originally posted by yakusoku: Here's my old 270 no-rare cube (although some of the red and black creatures are pretty awful, I'll admit): White (36) Goldmeadow Harrier Elite Vanguard Steppe Lynx Accorder Paladin Kami of Ancient Law Wall of Omens Mistral Charger Blade of the Sixth Pride Stormfront Pegasus Kor Aeronaut Leonin Skyhunter Knight of Meadowgrain Knight of the Holy Nimbus Kor Skyfisher Hand of Honor White Knight Flickerwisp Descendant of Kiyomaro Aven Mindcensor Kor Sanctifiers Celestial Crusader Calciderm Cloudgoat Ranger Serra Angel Faith's Fetters Oust Condemn Pacifism Journey to Nowhere Temporal Isolation Oblivion Ring Spectral Procession Arrest Harm's Way Prison Term Griffin Guide Blue (36) Enclave Cryptologist Il-kor Looter Welkin Tern Sea Gate Oracle Calcite Snapper Wall of Frost Aether Adept Guard Gomazoa Drift of Phantasms Pestermite Neurok Invisimancer Horizon Drake Living Tsunami Thieving Magpie Riftwing Cloudskate Air Elemental Mulldrifter Jetting Glasskite Compulsive Research Broken Ambitions Cancel Into the Roil Mana Leak Forsee Mind Control Vapor Snare Volition Reins Domestication Ponder Preordain Remand Thirst for Knowledge Jace's Ingenuity Sleep Repeal Careful Consideration Black (36) Vampire Lacerator Gatekeeper of Malakir Nezumi Graverobber Child of Night Reassembling Skeleton Black Knight Hand of Cruelty Vampire Nighthawk Faerie Macabre Arrogant Bloodlord Vampire Hexmage Gatekeeper of Malakir Liliana's Specter Phyrexian Rager Necrogen Scudder Nekrataal Marsh Flitter Skinrender Howling Banshee Shriekmaw Infest Nameless Inversion Night's Whisper Barter in Blood Makeshift Mannequin Doom Blade Go for the Throat Terror Grasp of Darkness Smother Incremental Blight Seal of Doom Sudden Death Eyeblight's Ending Inquisition of Kozilek Rend Flesh Red (36) Ember Hauler Plated Geopede Hellspark Elemental Hearth Kami Blood Knight Goblin Wardriver Mogg War Marshal Keldon Marauders Cunning Sparkmage Skirk Shaman Manic Vandal Gathan Raiders Mudbutton Torchrunner Inner-Flame Acolyte Sulfur Elemental Goblin Ruinblaster War-Spike Changeling Reckless Wurm Spitebellows Dragon Fodder Magma Jet Molten Rain Rift Bolt Lash Out Pyroclasm Arc Trail Forked Bolt Burst Lightning Lightning Bolt Flame Javelin Fireball Staggershock Volcanic Fallout Puncture Blast Smash to Smithereens Sulfurous Blast Green (36) Arbor Elf Elves of Deep Shadow Wild Nacatl Llanowar Elves Joraga Treespeaker Thornweald Archer River Boa Mire Boa Beastbreaker of Bala Ged Overgrown Battlement Sakura-Tribe Elder Imperious Perfect Carven Caryatid Gloomwidow Civic Wayfinder Farhaven Elf Mold Shambler Briarhorn Imperiosaur Cudgel Troll Wickerbought Elder Wild Leotau Acidic Slime Indrik Stomphowler Sprout Swarm Kodama's Reach Cultivate Harrow Farseek Krosan Grip Naturalize Bestial Menace Rampant Growth Harmonize Vines of Vastwood Overrun Multicolor (40) Boggart-Ram Gang Branching Bolt Vithian Renegades Firespout Kitchen Finks Watchwolf Qasali Pridemage Behemoth Sledge Trygon Predator Coiling Oracle Snakeform Jhessian Infiltrator Wall of Denial Azorioius Guildmage Court Hussar Momentary Blink Murderous Redcap Bituminous Blast Blightning Terminate Mortify Tidehollow Sculler Unmake Shrieking Grotesque Lightning Helix Skyknight Legionnaire Duergar Hedge-Mage Intimidation Bolt Electrolyze Izzet Chronarch Gelectrode Nucklavee Tidehollow Strix Agony Warp Soul Manipulation Moroii Putrid Leech Putrefy Shambling Shell Necrogenesis Artifacts (25) Azorius Signet Boros Signet Dimir Signet Golgari Signet Gruul Signet Izzet Signet Orzhov Signet Rakdos Signet Selesnya Signet Simic Signet Mistvein Borderpost Veinfire Borderpost Firewild Borderpost Wildfield Borderpost Fieldmist Borderpost Prismatic Lens Everflowing Chalice Mindstone Loxodon Warhammer Bonesplitter Juggernaut Grafted Wargear Crystal Ball Moonglove Extract Land (25) Simic Growth Chamber Izzet Boilerworks Selesnya Sanctuary Boros Garrison Dimir Aqueduct Golgari Rot Farm Gruul Turf Orzhov Basilica Rakdos Carnarium Azorius Chancery Akoum Refuge Graypelt Refuge Jwar Isle Refuge Kazandu Refuge Sejiri Refuge Vivid Crag Vivid Creek Vivid Grove Vivid Marsh Vivid Meadow Arcane Sanctum Crumbling Necropolis Jungle Shrine Savage Land Seaside Citadel That is definitely too much mana fixing. I am probably just gonna stick to just the ravnica lands and vivids, then have stuff like terramorphic expense and a few random manlands. I haven't played with loxodon warhammer but I remember behemoth sludge was nuts in shards draft. I do think the rest of your stuff is pretty good, thanks for posting

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