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Originally posted by ImOldGreg:

Well, that logic would hold if I thought that a nineteen year old she be arrested for underage drinking. I disagree with that, and mostly that law is politically motivated.

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Wonderful! Except your opinion of a given law is irrelevant to this debate.

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Wizards is arguing that this has adversely affected their sales.

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Source or STFU. The only time I remember anyone mentioning spoilers would adversley affect sales is when Matignon himself said so in his apology.

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Edit: At least we can all agree that in the future, Wizards is probably going to rethink this whole who gets to peak at the "godbook," and it is possible that they just will not let any players get access to it. If they're that concerned with keeping the cards from being leaked early, they should not make such poor decisions. Wizards was begging for something like this to happen.

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Alright, then let me rephrase your fallacy in a simpler form:
"The girl who got raped was asking for it".

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Originally posted by ImOldGreg:
Well, that logic would hold if I thought that a nineteen year old she be arrested for underage drinking. I disagree with that, and mostly that law is politically motivated.

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So because you think a law is politically motivated (aren't they all?) people who break that law shouldn't be punished?

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Wizards is arguing that this has adversely affected their sales. Where is the evidence that this is so???? I work for Metalunderground.com, I have done several papers, research on illegal downloading and leaking on music, and found the evidence that it adversely affects the music industry, inconclusive. IT was leaked only a couple weeks before the whole set would be?? Who cares???

File a lawsuit??? You got to be kidding me. They would have to spend so much money on an international lawsuit that they might not make anything (or break even); it's not even worth it.

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I did not read the whole story, but did those players sign a contact explicitly stating that they would not maliciously leak the cards??? If not, nothing should be done. If it was a said deal or just on a trust basis, it is wizards' fault.

Why keep commenting then without having actually read what the discussion is about? And yes, Matignon did sign or agree to a non-disclosure agreement. That is why he received the harshest penalty. The others were punished because they continued to pass on information they shouldn't have had to other people who shouldn't have it.

[QUOTE]I guess wizards can suspend whoever they want though. I just they should not have done it because what does this prove? The natural consequence to the players who were involved were they no longer have those rights. What does suspending their dci account have anything to do with the case?????

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They pretty much can since they are the ones organizing the whole system. Sort of like how the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc can suspend players for failing drug tests, tweeting when they aren't supposed to, on field transgressions, and off field trouble as well. Suspending their DCI account takes away almost everything for them. The two Guillames were Level 8 pros and stand to lose out on 20,000-30,000 in cash and benefits just from playing the game next year. That doesn't even factor in any winnings they could have likely garnered from their play. Oh, and it further delays or hinders any Hall of Fame considerations which also come with more financial benefits as well. Suspending them so quickly and so harshly does send a message for future leakers. If WoTC wants to continue handing out godbooks, they have every right to. If they want to make sure people don't do what they aren't supposed to with that information then they can just point to Matignon and say...here's what happens if you break the rules.

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Edit: At least we can all agree that in the future, Wizards is probably going to rethink this whole who gets to peak at the "godbook," and it is possible that they just will not let any players get access to it. If they're that concerned with keeping the cards from being leaked early, they should not make such poor decisions. Wizards was begging for something like this to happen.

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Originally posted by mtglover:
I'm curious as to how the premature spoilers would cause wizards to lose any money. Anybody care to explain?

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Thought it was in this thread, but guess not.

The arguments I've been seeing on other sites are essentially saying that having the whole set out there 3 weeks before release basically kills any hype Wizards would be able to build up by having Preview weeks on the mothership site. People have more time to evaluate the set and determine if it's worth buying boxes/cases right away, or if they can wait a bit to get the cards.

I don't fully agree with that logic. It just seems to be the common argument I'm seeing repeated in different places. I never pre-order sealed product anyway. I'll still do a sealed for the pre.

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Originally posted by mtglover:
I'm curious as to how the premature spoilers would cause wizards to lose any money. Anybody care to explain?

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Wizards loses money due to the lack of traffic on their website thanks to nobody going to their site to see the spoilers, thus making their advertising on the site less effective, thus potentially reducing the exposure to said advertising, thus making people, however marginally, buy less of their product. Like it says, damages would be extremely hard to measure.

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Originally posted by Peter Griffin
Pow, right in the kisser!

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