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Originally posted by Volcanon:
The fact that the pix had the guy's MSN open probably helped them in their quest.

In conclusion: Don't share things you shouldn't be sharing, and don't share things with randoms on IRC.

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And edit out incriminating details of print screens.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
The fact that the pix had the guy's MSN open probably helped them in their quest.

In conclusion: Don't share things you shouldn't be sharing, and don't share things with randoms on IRC.

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Sorry it's From French forum so in French...

Bon, je fais ce post pour donner un peu ma version des faits vis-à-vis de tout le bordel que j'ai causé.
Vous pouvez en retenir ou en croire ce que vous voulez, au point où j'en suis, je suis plus à 100 000 sauces près, mais je tiens quand même à donner mon point de vue histoire de partir la conscience tranquille. (façon de parler)

Lundi 18 dans la soirée, on discute avec Martial sur MSN de NPH, et de fil en aiguille, il me dit "je te donne une liste si tu fermes ta bouche" et m'envoie le Godbook par la fenêtre de discussion. Martial me connait assez bien, je pense qu'il sait à quel point il peut m'arriver d'être con sur les forums, (Mr Science Infuse, parfois mythomane/exagérateur et totalement imbus de sa personne comme tout le monde l'a remarqué: j'en ai bien conscience et j'essaie vraiment de changer cette image depuis quelques temps, mais en vain; je dois être trop demeuré...) mais il me connaît aussi vraiment bien en dehors: on se parle des heures et des heures de tout et de rien dés qu'on se capte sur msn depuis 3/4 ans, on a modéré ensemble sur MT, on s'est croisé quelques fois irl et je lui ai prouvé (je pense) qu'il pouvait me faire confiance, à plusieurs reprises. Il avait vraiment aucune raison de penser que j'allais merder sur ce coup là, étant la personne qui me connaît surement le mieux de tout le milieu MTG.

Le 19 (dans la nuit ou le lendemain je sais plus trop), étant connecté sur les channels de #mtgfrance et de #metalcraft (le chat de mon ex team magic-league où j'étais encore halfop ou modérateur avant que wotc en demande mon ban), channels que je fréquente depuis 1 ou 2 ans tous les jours dés que je suis éveillé, où se trouvent des gens en qui j'ai confiance (je suis absolument sûr que personne va pas aller balancer quoi que ce soit en dehors de ces channels si je le demande); je me met à parler de NPH et je donne 3 screens sur les 2 channels comme dans le log de Pamy. Et ces screens sont arrivés sur le net par "sebas" (posté sur MTGsalvation), un mec qui était connecté sur le channel de #metalcraft. Wizards l'a contacté, il a tout raconté et il a rien eu pour sa coopération: http://www.gatheringmagic.com/prank-blog-post-reports-arrest-for-nph-spoiling/

Je sais que j'ai été extrêmement maladroit, que j'ai fait n'importe quoi de bout en bout et que toute cette histoire est entièrement de ma faute. Mais j'ignorais vraiment que ça pouvait avoir des conséquences aussi désastreuses, ça me paraît juste iréel ce qu'il vient de se passer. Je suis anéanti et extrêmement désolé pour Martial et les Guillaumes.

Pour ce qui est de l'article de Caleb et de ses quotes à moitiés falsifiés, ou avec des phrases reconstituées de ce que j'ai pu dire dans les 3 derniers mois :

- dans le premier paragraphe, comme sur le channel de #mtgfrance, j'ai dit que j'avais la spoiler list sur #metalcraft.

- le 2ème paragraphe, je suis absolument sûr et certain que le mec a falsifié 9 mots sur 10 du log et a inventé une histoire de toute pièce: Je n'ai jamais dit être écrivain, je n'ai jamais dit travailler pour Watchdamatch ou vivre à Nantes, je n'ai jamais dit que je connaissais personnellement n'importe lequel des deux guillaumes. Quand Caleb m'a demandé une fois comment j'avais eu la liste en tout premier lieu, j'avais dit qu'un mec me l'avait donné, et que je supposais que sa source l'avait eu pour écrire des articles sans jamais lui mentionner le moindre nom. (j'avais posté le log sur le topic Watchdamatch pour m'expliquer quand julien h avait dit que j'avais osé prétendre que je travaillais pour lui; et dés que j'ai appris ça, j'ai été parler sur irc au mec pour clarifier et lui dire que c'était pas le cas... j'avais C/C la conversation dans un post sur Watchdamatch encore)

- après, la conversation avec jfc, c'était un truc en privé 1vs1, je savais même pas que c'était possible de récupérer un tel truc autrement que par l'un des deux interlocuteurs.. et par ailleurs, je suis sûr et certain de ne jamais avoir dit que wafo en personne m'avait envoyé le moindre fichier. J'ai dit dans une conversation privée que ça devait venir de lui, mais jamais j'ai dit l'avoir reçu directement de lui. Je sais pas si quelqu'un peut me dire où je peux trouver les logs de mon irc (ceux que j'avais posté sur watchdamatch étaient par chance encore sur mon irc que j'avais pas fermé), mais je suis là pour faire des screens, donner des preuves irréfûtables que ce gros connard invente des histoires de toute pièce pour me nuire.

Et je n'ai répondu à l'interview du mec ou au mail de wizards uniquement après avoir consulté Martial pour savoir si je pouvais y répondre, y dire ce qu'il s'était produit et les nommer etc...

Sinon, le caleb machin a ajouté une dizaine de personnes sur Facebook et 1 personne de mon MSN (Impulsaxl, la conversation que j'avais sur le screen) qui me connaissent de près ou de loin (dont ma mère)

Autre rumeur de merde par notre cher caleb, depuis 2 jours, on vient me voir en me parlant comme si j'étais Guillaume Matignon sur MTGO. Et non, je n'ai dit nulle part que j'étais Guillaume Matignon.

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Originally posted by bertie312:
David Explain how it's Happen ...
Sorry it's so From French forum in French ...

Well, I decided to give this post a bit for my version of events vis-à-vis all the mess I've caused.
You can also retain or believe what you want, to the point where I am, I am more than 100 000 by gravy, but I still want to give my point of view of history from a clear conscience. (So ​​to speak)

Monday 18 in the evening, we talk on MSN with Martial NPH, and yarn needle, he said, "I give you a list if you shut your mouth" and send me the Godbook the chat window. Martial knows me well enough, I think he knows how it can happen to be con on the forums, (Mr Science Infuse, sometimes pathological liar / exaggerator and fully imbued with his person as everyone has note: I am aware and am really trying to change that image for some time, but in vain, I remained too ...) but he also knows me really well outside: we speak of the hours and hours of anything and everything as soon as you pick up on msn since 3 / 4 years was moderate on MT assembly, we had crossed several times irl and I have proved (I think) that I could rely on several occasions. There was really no reason to think that I **** on this one, being the person who knows me probably the best of all the mid MTG.

19 (at night or the next day I know too much), being connected to the channels and mtgfrance # # MetalCraft (the cat from my ex-team league where magic was still halfop or moderator before WOTC demand my ban), channel that I frequent for 1 or 2 years every day I'm awake, where people who I trust (I am absolutely sure that person will not go throw anything out of these as I ask) I begin talking about I give NPH and 3 screens on 2 channels as in the log Pamy. And these screens came on the net "sebas" (posted on MTGsalvation), a guy who was connected to the channel of # MetalCraft. Wizards contacted him, he told everything and it was nothing for his cooperation: http://www.gatheringmagic.com/prank-blog-post-reports-arrest-for-nph-spoiling/

I know I was extremely awkward, I've done anything from end to end and that this whole story is entirely my fault. But really I knew it could have consequences as disastrous, it just seems unreal that just happened. I am devastated and very sorry for Martial and Guillaumes.

Regarding the article by Caleb and his falsified quotes in halves, or reconstituted with sentences of what I have said in the last 3 months:

- In the first paragraph, as the channel of # mtgfrance, I said that I had the spoiler list on # MetalCraft.

- 2nd paragraph, I am absolutely sure and certain that the guy has falsified 9 words out of 10 log and invented a story from scratch: I never said being a writer, I never said or work for Watchdamatch live in Nantes, I never said I personally knew any of the two Williams. When Caleb asked me once how I had the list in the first place, I told a guy I had been given, and I assumed that his source had been to write articles without he never mentioned any name. (I posted the log on the topic to explain when Julian Watchdamatch am told that I had dared to say that I worked for him, and as soon as I learned that I was talking to the guy on irc to clarify and say that it was not the case ... I had C / C the conversation in a post on Watchdamatch yet)

- After the conversation with jfc was something in private 1vs1, I knew it was not even possible to get such a thing other than one of the two interlocutors .. and besides, I am certain of never having said that Wafo personally sent me any files. I said in private conversation that it was coming from him, but I said never to have received it directly from him. I do not know if anyone can tell me where I can find my irc logs (the ones I posted on watchdamatch were luckily still on my irc I had not closed), but I'm here to make screens, provide compelling evidence that this big ******* invented stories from scratch to hurt me.

And I have responded to the interview of the guy or the mail wizards only after consulting Martial whether I could respond, he said it had happened and name etc ...

Otherwise, caleb foo added a dozen people on Facebook and 1 person of my MSN (Impulsaxl the conversation I had on the screen) who know me from near and far (including my mother)

Another rumor crap by our dear caleb, for 2 days, we came to see me talking to me as if I Guillaume Matignon on MTGO. And no, I have nowhere said that I was Guillaume Matignon.

Moreover, thanks to tapp Attrigme who "leak Phyrexia david gauthier" on google, after I told him about my ban on MTGO, he accidentally found the draft of the article on pastebin 2 or 3 hours before that it is posted on ChannelFireball, which allowed me to understand that the guy had asked for an interview by mail all nicely that I accepted because I had nothing to hide and would use my identity for publishing this interview and for make the link with fake quotes. So I could warn him that I did not want to be nowhere mentioned in any of these items before his latest article is posted, while asking him how he got the email address Impulsaxl and why. He told me several times between time to end with a "too late, I submit the article.

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Naturally all the people responsible for the spoiling are idiots too, but that goes without saying.

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Originally posted by ImOldGreg:
They should have not been suspended. Wizards should never give them inside information to begin with because they do not work for them; that is unfair for the rest of the regular players. Wizards had this coming because they trust players way too much.

I do not think they should be punished at all

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absolutely they should be suspended, matignon breached a NDA, should be glad and lucky wotc didnt file suit against them for damages (tho estimated losses are hard to evaluate), why would wotc continue to give lvl 8 benefits to someone who obv broke contract?

if anything, i think they got a light sentence on the suspension.

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Originally posted by coolio:
absolutely they should be suspended, matignon breached a NDA, should be glad and lucky wotc didnt file suit against them for damages (tho estimated losses are hard to evaluate), why would wotc continue to give lvl 8 benefits to someone who obv broke contract?

if anything, i think they got a light sentence on the suspension.

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Originally posted by ImOldGreg:
They should have not been suspended. Wizards should never give them inside information to begin with because they do not work for them; that is unfair for the rest of the regular players. Wizards had this coming because they trust players way too much.

I do not think they should be punished at all

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You should really stop posting until you have something intelligent to say.

I really don't understand why there is such an uproar about a pro player receiving spoilers from the new set early. This has been happening for years. LSV, Chapin, Flores - they all get exclusive spoilers for new sets. Why is it all of a sudden a problem now, because the godbook got leaked? That's bogus reasoning. People will always find something to complain about.

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Originally posted by OGB:
I really don't understand why there is such an uproar about a pro player receiving spoilers from the new set early. This has been happening for years. LSV, Chapin, Flores - they all get exclusive spoilers for new sets. Why is it all of a sudden a problem now, because the godbook got leaked? That's bogus reasoning. People will always find something to complain about.

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Originally posted by ImOldGreg:
They should have not been suspended. Wizards should never give them inside information to begin with because they do not work for them; that is unfair for the rest of the regular players. Wizards had this coming because they trust players way too much. I do not think they should be punished at all

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All i got from this was "WOTC is dumb so it's their fault". If someone gives you a really, REALLY nice priviledge and responsiblity, do you **** on it because "oh they shouldn't have anyway that was dumb so let me prove it to them"?
My mistake or not, i would be absolutely so upset with someone who is so big into magic if they betrayed me. This wasn't a lucky raffle winner off the street.

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Originally posted by OGB:
I really don't understand why there is such an uproar about a pro player receiving spoilers from the new set early. This has been happening for years. LSV, Chapin, Flores - they all get exclusive spoilers for new sets. Why is it all of a sudden a problem now, because the godbook got leaked? That's bogus reasoning. People will always find something to complain about.

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Originally posted by ImOldGreg:
They should have not been suspended. Wizards should never give them inside information to begin with because they do not work for them; that is unfair for the rest of the regular players. Wizards had this coming because they trust players way too much.

I do not think they should be punished at all

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Salvation noooooooo

By your logic (if you can call it that), when a 19 year old university student is arrested for underage drinking, it is his parent's fault entirely for his actions and he should suffer no consequences for his choices. Oh, and before sending him off to college his parents made him sign a legal contract stating he cannot drink alcohol until he turns 21.

Complaints about "all the pros are getting the set before we do!!!11!111 ZOMG INJUSTICE" are nonsense, too. Matignon was writing a set review. Not a card spoiler, a set review. This is not as though they sent him the entire godbook with a note saying "here, now preview Mental Misstep" or something. You can't really do a set review without, oh I don't know, seeing the set you're reviewing? Matignon didn't get a godbook because he was a player. He got it because he was a writer. Past tense deliberate on both.

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Originally posted by thror:
Im 100% ok with Matignon getting his 3 year ban, and really surprised they aren't persuing legal action. HOWEVER, the other 3 were involved with NO NDA with wotc, and shouldn't have been punished. Wotc only gave Matignon the book, with the agreement that it was not to be distributed. Wafo and the others didnt steal it, Matignon broke NDA by giving it out. Once it reaches beyond him, wotc shouldn't take further action. Heck, does this mean I get 18 months off, because there certainly IS a copy of this godbook on my desktop.

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Originally posted by thror:
Im 100% ok with Matignon getting his 3 year ban, and really surprised they aren't persuing legal action. HOWEVER, the other 3 were involved with NO NDA with wotc, and shouldn't have been punished. Wotc only gave Matignon the book, with the agreement that it was not to be distributed. Wafo and the others didnt steal it, Matignon broke NDA by giving it out. Once it reaches beyond him, wotc shouldn't take further action. Heck, does this mean I get 18 months off, because there certainly IS a copy of this godbook on my desktop.

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still illegal distribution of copyrighted material as well as dissemination of trade secrets.

if you were in their shoes, would you prefer an 18 month dci suspension? or a civil suit?

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Salvation noooooooo

By your logic (if you can call it that), when a 19 year old university student is arrested for underage drinking, it is his parent's fault entirely for his actions and he should suffer no consequences for his choices. Oh, and before sending him off to college his parents made him sign a legal contract stating he cannot drink alcohol until he turns 21.

Complaints about "all the pros are getting the set before we do!!!11!111 ZOMG INJUSTICE" are nonsense, too. Matignon was writing a set review. Not a card spoiler, a set review. This is not as though they sent him the entire godbook with a note saying "here, now preview Mental Misstep" or something. You can't really do a set review without, oh I don't know, seeing the set you're reviewing? Matignon didn't get a godbook because he was a player. He got it because he was a writer. Past tense deliberate on both.

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Well, that logic would hold if I thought that a nineteen year old should be arrested for underage drinking. I disagree with that and mostly that law is politically motivated.

Wizards is arguing that this has adversely affected their sales. Where is the evidence that this is so???? I work for Metalunderground.com, I have done several papers, research on illegal downloading and leaking on music, and found the evidence that it adversely affects the music industry is inconclusive. IT was leaked only a couple weeks before the whole set would be?? Who cares???

File a lawsuit??? You got to be kidding me. They would have to spend so much money on an international lawsuit that they might not make anything (or break even); it's not even worth it.

I did not read the whole story, but did those players sign a contact explicitly stating that they would not maliciously leak the cards??? If not, nothing should be done. If it was a said deal or just on a trust basis, it is wizards' fault.

I guess wizards can suspend whoever they want though. I just think they should not have done it because what does this prove? The natural consequence to the players who were involved were they no longer have those rights. What does suspending their dci account have anything to do with the case?????

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Originally posted by thror:
Im 100% ok with Matignon getting his 3 year ban, and really surprised they aren't persuing legal action. HOWEVER, the other 3 were involved with NO NDA with wotc, and shouldn't have been punished. Wotc only gave Matignon the book, with the agreement that it was not to be distributed. Wafo and the others didnt steal it, Matignon broke NDA by giving it out. Once it reaches beyond him, wotc shouldn't take further action. Heck, does this mean I get 18 months off, because there certainly IS a copy of this godbook on my desktop.

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Well, Wizards did touch on this subject in the whole Rancored_Elf fiasco..

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Originally posted by Wizards.com:
Here's the important takeaway. We know that opportunities for new leaks will continue to arise. Please understand that Wizards of the Coast does not condone spoilers of any type, except what we specifically authorize. (And I'm not just talking about playtest cards.) If you find yourself in the position of having such information – unreleased information of any kind - please think very hard before sharing it with the world. Wizards of the Coast will take action if it deems it necessary.

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I agree that giving a pro-tour player, regardless of where he is employed, a copy of a set four months before anyone else can see it, is an unfair advantage for that player. There should be some DCI rule stating that IF they were to give such a thing to a player, that player is not allowed to play in any sanctioned event for that set, for at least a month after it's release.

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