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joz Banned	posted June 07, 2011 09:18 AM quote: Originally posted by stu55: Joz, go look at the T8s of the SCG and GP Prov before you make yourself look any dumber than you already are and I start to really get annoyed with your ignorance Where duz I find thoze? __________________ Joz - can we ban Leshrac for not fixing the Chrome PM issue? Gunslinga - If I thought it would help, and if I could, I would.
mm1983 Member	posted June 07, 2011 10:59 AM Batterskull, like most equipment when played with Stoneforge is usually a 1 of in most decks because Stoneforge acts like a wild card for any equipment you want at the time Stoneforge hits play. As far as legacy play goes, Batterskull probably replaces Baneslayer Angel in some of those decks. Stoneforge Mystic, like Tarmogoyf is a card that decks will splash another color just to play it. [Edited 2 times, lastly by mm1983 on June 07, 2011]
TheWu Member	posted June 07, 2011 11:12 AM For the record, Stoneforge started out like Tarmogyf at $1.50 even on SCG. There's wasn't many equipments out at this time to turn it into a Goblin Matron/Aether Vial of equipments. Now since we got these "Silly" equipments his value has gone sky high; however, I guess we should thank Wizards for reprinting him and keeping his value down. Now to any idiot that thinks Jace is bad. Jace is in EVERY format... What's bad is this stupid "Mythic" rarity.. I like to see Stoneforge in Vintage. Stoneforge also take's up multiple slots in your deck cause you have to have him + equips.
rats60 Member	posted June 07, 2011 11:16 AM quote: Originally posted by Soldier Boi: I am seeing Stoneforge Mystic in more and more legacy decks everyday. Now that they printed Batterskull this card is even more powerful. If it wasnt in the NPH event deck how high do you think this card would of got? It wasn't going any higher. The card was getting ready to drop as people were moving their Zendikar block cards before rotation. The reprint is just going to speed up the process.
WeedIan Member	posted June 07, 2011 01:20 PM Stoneforge is a 2 mana tutor to get any equipment into your hand. They've banned tutors that put things on TOP of your library (ala you have to wait a turn or play at the end of your opponents turn) and that doesn't even mention if he stays in play your equipment can be uncounterable. I was rather annoyed a took a break from magic during the Stoneforge's early days because i would have likely had a stack of 40 before it went up like mad. Stoneforge was always good but people end up being blind to things when a card isn't super strong in standard right away. __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 10000+ posts 3rd in posts in Ontario 15th in posts on MOTL Top 5 in Refs in Ontario (by people who location posted)
dwiz Member	posted June 07, 2011 01:35 PM quote: Originally posted by WeedIan: Stoneforge is a 2 mana tutor to get any equipment into your hand. They've banned tutors that put things on TOP of your library (ala you have to wait a turn or play at the end of your opponents turn) and that doesn't even mention if he stays in play your equipment can be uncounterable. I was rather annoyed a took a break from magic during the Stoneforge's early days because i would have likely had a stack of 40 before it went up like mad. Stoneforge was always good but people end up being blind to things when a card isn't super strong in standard right away. I have to disagree that it was always good. When the best thing it could get was Collar, and that really wasn't played, it was not a good card. It had potential, yes, but it would still be bad if it wasn't for swords and batterskull. It goes from hardly played to ruining standard.
rats60 Member	posted June 07, 2011 02:10 PM quote: Originally posted by dwiz: I have to disagree that it was always good. When the best thing it could get was Collar, and that really wasn't played, it was not a good card. It had potential, yes, but it would still be bad if it wasn't for swords and batterskull. It goes from hardly played to ruining standard. Don't forget about Squadron Hawk. Getting swords into play with Stoneforge wouldn't be that great without a cheap flyer that can give you 3 more cheap flyers. It's just a perfect storm for him with good equipment, Squadron Hawk, Jace TMS, Preordain and good countermagic.
oneofchaos Member	posted June 07, 2011 03:14 PM quote: Originally posted by Skwirlnutz: Stoneforge and Jace. Two reasons why EDH is currently way more fun than Standard. Leave it to wizards to screw up standard to a level of epic proportions.
joz Banned	posted June 07, 2011 03:18 PM quote: Originally posted by oneofchaos: Leave it to wizards to screw up standard to a level of epic proportions. Did we already forget about Jund, and before that, Faries? __________________ Joz - can we ban Leshrac for not fixing the Chrome PM issue? Gunslinga - If I thought it would help, and if I could, I would.
Devonin Member	posted June 07, 2011 03:19 PM Everything will always ruin Standard all the time. I hate rock, it's so unbalanced, Wizards should ban rock, and never let anybody play rock, sincerely scissors.
rats60 Member	posted June 07, 2011 03:34 PM quote: Originally posted by joz: Did we already forget about Jund, and before that, Faries? I don't recall those decks placing 15 out of the top 16 at a major event.
ninjazwig Member	posted June 07, 2011 03:36 PM quote: Originally posted by rats60: I don't recall those decks placing 15 out of the top 16 at every event. Fixed
revenger Member	posted June 07, 2011 03:41 PM ok- What are the answers to Stoneforge? __________________ Your 2008 and 2010 Motl Siskel & Ebert award winner! Motl Facebook Contact Group
dwiz Member	posted June 07, 2011 03:43 PM quote: Originally posted by revenger: ok- What are the answers to Stoneforge? Banning
rats60 Member	posted June 07, 2011 03:48 PM quote: Originally posted by ninjazwig: Fixed It's not quite that bad, but if you take all the SCG Opens since, they are the majority of Top 16 decks. The bad thing is that it has been worse not better post New Phyrexia.
junichi Moderator	posted June 07, 2011 03:49 PM quote: Originally posted by dwiz: Banning Banning stongeforge right before the event deck comes out is probably the best marketing idea WoTC can come up with. __________________ MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 Champion Get a brain, Morans!
rats60 Member	posted June 07, 2011 04:01 PM quote: Originally posted by junichi: Banning stongeforge right before the event deck comes out is probably the best marketing idea WoTC can come up with. Actually, it would be right after. The Grand Prix this past weekend had a top 8 of 6 with Jace TMS and Stoneforge/Hawk, 1 with just Jace TMS and 1 with just Stoneforge/Hawk. Even though they are rotating soon, it would be good for the game to see Jace TMS and Stoneforge leave Type 2 July 1 in my opinion.
junichi Moderator	posted June 07, 2011 04:09 PM quote: Originally posted by rats60: Actually, it would be right after. The Grand Prix this past weekend had a top 8 of 6 with Jace TMS and Stoneforge/Hawk, 1 with just Jace TMS and 1 with just Stoneforge/Hawk. Even though they are rotating soon, it would be good for the game to see Jace TMS and Stoneforge leave Type 2 July 1 in my opinion. I think you missed my sarcasm. Anyway, I doubt they will ban stoneforge at all. There are only a few more months to go before the next cycle of one sided deck to beat shows up. I think we can endure. __________________ MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 Champion Get a brain, Morans!
revenger Member	posted June 07, 2011 04:14 PM quote: Originally posted by dwiz: Banning lol. well, I was referring to a MTG card perspective. There is no swords, bolt? __________________ Your 2008 and 2010 Motl Siskel & Ebert award winner! Motl Facebook Contact Group
dwiz Member	posted June 07, 2011 04:19 PM quote: Originally posted by revenger: lol. well, I was referring to a MTG card perspective. There is no swords, bolt? There is, but mental misstep takes care of those.
rats60 Member	posted June 07, 2011 04:20 PM quote: Originally posted by junichi: I think you missed my sarcasm. Anyway, I doubt they will ban stoneforge at all. There are only a few more months to go before the next cycle of one sided deck to beat shows up. I think we can endure. I think you are going to see something out of the deck banned July 1. I don't think WOTC wants to see another repeat of the last two Standard GPs for Nationals and another GP.
junichi Moderator	posted June 07, 2011 04:23 PM quote: Originally posted by rats60: I think you are going to see something out of the deck banned July 1. I don't think WOTC wants to see another repeat of the last two Standard GPs for Nationals and another GP. Ban the hawks. __________________ MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 Champion Get a brain, Morans!
Devonin Member	posted June 07, 2011 04:26 PM You could always go the Affinity route and ban every single card that makes up the entire deck.
dwiz Member	posted June 07, 2011 04:32 PM I refuse to play Caw Blade in nationals. I'll probably get smashed. It blows to be rating top 200 in the world and have to play this crap every week. It's not fun.
Zakman86 Member	posted June 07, 2011 04:52 PM If they ban anything it'll be the engine; namely, Stoneforge. Sadly, I highly doubt they end up banning anything.

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