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dwiz
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quote:
Originally posted by Zakman86:
If they ban anything it'll be the engine; namely, Stoneforge. Sadly, I highly doubt they end up banning anything.

I doubt they will too, but I agree.

 
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I highly doubt they will ban Stoneforge since he was just put in the NPH event deck. They would loose a ton of money doing that.
 
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No chance of banning hawk?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by potaguitar:
No chance of banning hawk?

I don't think banning Hawk fixes anything. Some builds are starting to cut them anyway (right or wrong).

 
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quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
ok- What are the answers to Stoneforge?

Losing to their jace? The problem is standard is just an endless mess of mirrors. Valakut kept a ton of aggro decks out of the format while Caw-go evolved into caw-blade. Valakut will never beat Caw-blade and it doesn't seem like a good choice to play it now. However, all the aggro decks are still off the radar. Further some aggro decks even play stoneforge which just shows how dominating that strategy is. I don't think it's a lack of innovation, the standard format doesn't contain nearly as many cards as time spiral standard. I think it's just a lack of good cards.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by oneofchaos:
The problem is standard is just an endless mess of mirrors.

This pretty much describes the last 4-5 years of Standard in a nutshell.

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oneofchaos
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quote:
Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
This pretty much describes the last 4-5 years of Standard in a nutshell.

Maybe 2-3 years but yea. Wizards apparently sells the most product when people aren't challenged in any ways at all. Oh well.

 
mm1983
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So based on everyones posts it looks like Squadron Hawk ruined standard this time. At least it's not Faeries or Jund doing it this time.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Soldier Boi:
I highly doubt they will ban Stoneforge since he was just put in the NPH event deck. They would loose a ton of money doing that.

Why? People will still want them for Legacy and Extended.

 
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Originally posted by rats60:
Why? People will still want them for Legacy and Extended.

The event decks are supposed to be "ready to play" for FNM. Banning Stoneforge would make the product irrelevant for its purpose.

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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
The event decks are supposed to be "ready to play" for FNM. Banning Stoneforge would make the product irrelevant for its purpose.

Most people don't buy them to play at FNM. The decks would still sell. It would be better than having 3 more months of a stagnant Type 2 full of Caw Blade mirrors or losing to Caw Blade.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by rats60:
Most people don't buy them to play at FNM. The decks would still sell. It would be better than having 3 more months of a stagnant Type 2 full of Caw Blade mirrors or losing to Caw Blade.

Well, the description of the event decks will not match it's intended purpose, and I am not sure if WoTC wants to go down the "false advertisement" route.

edit:
Anyway, this is all moot. They won't ban stoneforge.
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oneofchaos
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quote:
Originally posted by rats60:
Most people don't buy them to play at FNM. The decks would still sell. It would be better than having 3 more months of a stagnant Type 2 full of Caw Blade mirrors or losing to Caw Blade.

At least in this stagnant meta you know what will beat you.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by dwiz:
I have to disagree that it was always good. When the best thing it could get was Collar, and that really wasn't played, it was not a good card. It had potential, yes, but it would still be bad if it wasn't for swords and batterskull. It goes from hardly played to ruining standard.

So it was a bad card when it could still go get Jitte and Sword of Fire and Ice?

This was a stupid comment when i said "People are blind to cards when they aren't good in standard".

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SFM was never a bad card. It was just bad in standard. The swords and batterskull have raised it's price by a lot there is no denying that.
 
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The world wins. Goodbye Stoneforge Mystic.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by junichi:
Anyway, this is all moot. They won't ban stoneforge.

 
junichi
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Originally posted by pugowar:

Hey, I am only half wrong/right. You can still play SFM as long as you are running the event deck.

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jaromirjagr
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Everybodys happy that Jace and stoneforge are banned but they were only going to be in for 3 more months anyway.I think its foolish that people panic and start getting rid of theres for cheap.Has anyone heard of extended?Not everyone plays this format but lots do.Im sorry to say but I think that Jace tms and stoneforge will own ext.What are the people going to complain about next?Valakut ramp or splinter exarch?You need to get competitive cards if you wish to compete in touraments or game nights pure and simple.If your deck loses all the time,get better cards.I run a non net deck mono black and I still can compete with the best of decks.If you show up at an fnm at most places youre going to play good decks and you have to know your stuff.T2 is a money grab,yes it is,but if you want to play you have to have good cards period so please dont cry if you dont know how to play.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by jaromirjagr:
Has anyone heard of extended?

You mean that format that people only care about for like 3 months of the year and only a fraction of them actually play it? Those people will buy them when the season starts.

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