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Topic: Rules question: Timing, passing of priority.
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danieljloeb
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posted July 06, 2011 12:29 PM
      
Here is the situation:I have Acidic Slime and Birthing Pod in play.
I cast Phantasmal Image making it a copy of Acidic Slime and have it destroy a land. Next I want to sacrifice it to Birthing Pod to tutor a Frost Titan into play. Can my opponent target the Phantasmal Image in response to its come into play effect? If so I will not be able to sac it to Birthing Pod in response as that ability can only be played as a sorcery. I am certain my opponent cannot target PI in response to activating Birthing Pod's ability since sacrificing the creature is part of the cost. I feel pretty sure that this is a risk-free play once Phantasmal Image resolves (i.e. my opponent will never have priority at any time Phantasmal Image is on the battlefield), but I would still like a judge to tell me I'm right. By the way, the UG lockdown/ramp deck based on this idea is posted in the Deck Help & Construction forum. I would love any more detailed input y'all would have to offer on that thread. Thanks in advance. --Dan
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Meddling Pimp
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posted July 06, 2011 12:36 PM
quote:
Originally posted by danieljloeb:
Can my opponent target the Phantasmal Image in response to its come into play effect?
Yes. Your opponent gets priority (after you) in order to clear the trigger from the stack, at which point they can target it with something. quote:
If so I will not be able to sac it to Birthing Pod in response as that ability can only be played as a sorcery.
Correct
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Meddling Pimp on July 06, 2011]
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danieljloeb
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posted July 06, 2011 12:42 PM
Hold on though... I know my opponent has priority and can respond to a come into play effect -- absolutely. My question really is: at that point, when the come-into-play ability triggers, is the creature on the battlefield yet? Can IT be targeted at that moment?
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Meddling Pimp
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posted July 06, 2011 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by danieljloeb:
Hold on though... I know my opponent has priority and can respond to a come into play effect -- absolutely. My question really is: at that point, when the come-into-play ability triggers, is the creature on the battlefield yet? Can IT be targeted at that moment?
Let's be clear about which ability we are talking about. The replacement effect to copy a creature, no it is not on the battlefield. The trigger to destroy the land, yes it is.
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danieljloeb
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posted July 06, 2011 12:46 PM
Yeah that's what I meant. I wasn't sure if a come into play effect (such as acidic slime's) happened just before or just after the creature was actually present on the battlefield.
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Meddling Pimp
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posted July 06, 2011 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by danieljloeb:
Yeah that's what I meant. I wasn't sure if a come into play effect (such as acidic slime's) happened just before or just after the creature was actually present on the battlefield.
ETB triggers happen after the creature hits the field.
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danieljloeb
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posted July 06, 2011 12:51 PM
Cool. Bad news for me, but thanks for the info. 
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eXtremeEagle
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posted July 06, 2011 12:57 PM
 
There is a type of ETB effect that works the other way, it depends on how the card is worded. "When ~ enters the battlefield" means the card comes into play and the ability is put on the stack. "As ~ enters the battlefield" means that the the choice/ability is performed before the permanent ever enters play. For example, if you play Meddling Mage naming Lightning Bolt, there is no point in time which your opponent could respond to the naming with a Bolt to MM. The choice is made while MM is still on the stack, then the effect is in place immediately once it resolves and enters the battlefield. __________________
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danieljloeb
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posted July 06, 2011 05:04 PM
The "When" vs. "as" clears it all up for me. A bit embarrassed I didn't notice the discrepancy myself. Thank you for the very clear and precise explanation.
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nderdog
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posted July 06, 2011 05:44 PM
For future reference, things like this belong in the aptly-titled Rulings Thread.__________________
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