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Originally posted by SageShadows:
I haven't graded yet, but I can just not play a land and wait until you flash it in before I start playing lands. It's a draw.

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Originally posted by stab107:

In the match against numot, I am pretty sure he can flash in Primus in game 2 and take out my Orb while Dreadnought is on the stack, but I could be wrong. In any case, in the first game I don't think he can do anything about T1 Dreadnought so right now I have it as WL but it could go to WW.

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## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL
13 2 3 6 3 6 0 3 0 6 1  6  6  42

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2. Magic1264 DL ***
On the play, I drop a land. He plays a dreadnaught. I play a Kavu and a skyshroud cutter (Predator at 7/7). He swings in for 12 and plays a second dreadnaught. I cast Nature’s Claim with the Grove (Predator at 12/12). We then stare.
On the draw, he is way too fast.

3. Numotflame96 LL
I lose to the dismember.

4. LemonMeringue WW
He can’t handle both Kavu Predator and Skyshroud Cutter.

5. dfitz88 WW
Should be too slow to handle a Kavu Predator.

6. junichi LL
Trip Noose + Noxious Revival beats me up.

7. mattw WW
He duresses my Nature’s Claim, but I can play a big trampler that can outrace his Jinxed Idol.

8. ryan2754 WW
He can’t Commandeer or Misdirect anything.

9. stab107 WW
I handle Phyrexian Dreadnaught handily with Nature’s Claim and kill him at my leisure.

10. Myy WL
The bottom post explains it pretty well.

11. SageShadows XX

12. edsillars WL
His explanation seems right.

13. Bugger LL
On the play, I drop a land. He drops Anurid Scavenger. I play Kavu Predator. He returns the Lotus Petal and casts Oblivion Ring, swinging for 3. On my turn, Nature’s Claim takes care of the Oblivion Ring, and I play Skyshroud Cutter and tap grove so Kavu is at 12. I can’t throw up a win fast enough, and oblivion ring again puts away the game.

## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 TOTAL
11 2 1 0 6 6 0 6 6 6 03 XX 03 00 39

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Originally posted by SageShadows:

10. Myy WL
On the draw I lose. On the play, I can get a Skyshroud Cutter out. A 24/24 trampler does not beat 23 life and a 2/2.

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It's more complicated than that, since I played the exact same deck last round. You get out the Cutter first turn, he drops a Forest and swings. If you don't block you lose, so you have to. He can then play just the Invigorate so that the token lives through combat. Your conclusion is still correct though, if he swings you can kill him with the ever-growing Predator before you get into Shoal+Beserk range. If he doesn't swing, you just sit back until the Predator is 17/17 then start swinging.

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Originally posted by eXtremeEagle:
It's more complicated than that, since I played the exact same deck last round. You get out the Cutter first turn, he drops a Forest and swings. If you don't block you lose, so you have to. He can then play just the Invigorate so that the token lives through combat. Your conclusion is still correct though, if he swings you can kill him with the ever-growing Predator before you get into Shoal+Beserk range. If he doesn't swing, you just sit back until the Predator is 17/17 then start swinging.

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Swamp
Sheltered Valley
Bitterblossom
Noxious Revival
Innocent Blood

2. Magic1264 WL

City of Traitors
Torpor Orb
Lotus Petal
Phyrexian Dreadnought
Phyrexian Dreadnought

3. Numotflame96 LD

Flash
Woodfall primus
Elvish spirit guide
Island
Dismember

4. LemonMeringue LL

Sickening Shoal
Bayou
Slippery Bogle
Dismember
Duress

5. dfitz88 LL

Spell Pierce
Gemstone Caverns
Steam Vents
Dwarven Hold
Red Sun's Zenith

6. junichi WW

City of Traitors
Phyrexian Revoker
Noxious Revival
Steel Overseer
Trip Noose

7. mattw WL

City of Traitors
Bayou
Awakening Zone
Jinxed Idol
Duress

8. ryan2754 WW

Commandeer
Moonlace
Misdirection
Saprazzan Cove
Isleback Spawn

9. stab107 LL

Elvish Spirit Guide
Fog
City of Traitors
Torpor Orb
Phyrexian Dreadnought

10. Myy Xx

Chancellor of the Forge
Blazing Shoal
Invigorate
Berserk
Forest

11. SageShadows WL

Kavu Predator
Skyshroud Cutter
Forest
Grove of the Burnwillows
Nature's Claim

12. edsillars WW

Saprazzan Skerry
Saprazzan Skerry
Energy Field
Spiketail Hatchling
Imaginary Pet

13. Bugger DW

City of Traitors
Lotus Petal
Anurid Scavenger
Mind Rot
Oblivion Ring

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06 0 0 6 2 0 x 6 6 4 00 06 02 06 38

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MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 Champion

1. yakusoku

Swamp
Sheltered Valley
Bitterblossom
Noxious Revival
Innocent Blood

WW: Spell pierce bitterblossom. let it hit after revival, kill faeries until I can Zenith for 20. On the draw, it's the same; no need to use gemstone's luck counter because he has no turn 1 play.

2. Magic1264

City of Traitors
Torpor Orb
Lotus Petal
Phyrexian Dreadnought
Phyrexian Dreadnought

WW: Spell pierce the Torpor Orb, charge zenith for game. On the draw, I put out Gemstone, removing Steam vents from the game. If he goes for Torpor Orb ever, I spell pierce it. Otherwise, I just let dwarven hold charge up until I can zenith for 20.

3. Numotflame96

Flash
Woodfall primus
Elvish spirit guide
Island
Dismember

WW: On the play, steam vents, spell pierce the Flash, charge dwarven hold until I can use Zenith for 20. On the draw, I use Gemstone, removing steam vents, and leave gemstone open for spell pierce while I charge dwarven hold to 20 for game.

4. LemonMeringue
**DIFFERENT RESULTS**

Sickening Shoal
Bayou
Slippery Bogle
Dismember
Duress

WW: On the play, I steam vents and spell pierce duress. Then I charge up Dwarven Ruins, Zenithing for 1 each turn. His Bogle is too slow for that (10 turns instead of 20 from bogle). On the draw, I gemstone to spell pierce his duress, removing dwarven hold. He plays bogle, and I zenith him over 20 turns, killing him 1 turn before bogle kills me.

5. dfitz88

Spell Pierce
Gemstone Caverns
Steam Vents
Dwarven Hold
Red Sun's Zenith

XX

6. junichi

City of Traitors
Phyrexian Revoker
Noxious Revival
Steel Overseer
Trip Noose

WW: On the play, I drop steam vents, he can drop revoker or overseer. When i get turn back, I can kill it, and then kill the other, and then whatever he revivals. Charge dwarven hold to zenith for 20. On the draw, I get out Gemstone so I can do it at the same speed, just removing dwarven hold from my hand, and pinging him for 1 each turn after I kill his creatures.

7. mattw

City of Traitors
Bayou
Awakening Zone
Jinxed Idol
Duress

LL: i'm too slow.

8. ryan2754

Commandeer
Moonlace
Misdirection
Saprazzan Cove
Isleback Spawn

WW: I just Zenith for 1 until he plays Spawn, and then if he ever taps out for it, I use Zenith with steam vents open so I can spell pierce either Commandeer or Misdirection (he won't be able to have mana open on the turn after he plays Spawn). If he doesn't fall for the bait ever, he eventually loses to Zenith for 1 over and over.

9. stab107

Elvish Spirit Guide
Fog
City of Traitors
Torpor Orb
Phyrexian Dreadnought

WW: The most mana he can get open is 3, which means I can spell pierce torpor orb. Zenith for game after 20 turns. On the draw, I remove Steam Vents to get out Gemstone on turn 0, incase I need to spell pierce. Then I charge up dwarven hold with 1 mana open to spell pierce if needed.

10. Myy

Chancellor of the Forge
Blazing Shoal
Invigorate
Berserk
Forest

WW: On the play, I put out Steam Vents, and if he goes for his kill, I spell pierce Shoal. On my turn, I zenith for 1 to kill it. I charge up and eventually Zenith for game over. On the draw, I get gemstone (removing dwarven hold) so I can spell pierce Shoal still. Zenith for the kill. If he tries to save his goblin by pumping it, I get extra turns to survive and kill it after 1-2 turns (my life wouldn't dip to 0).

11. SageShadows

Kavu Predator
Skyshroud Cutter
Forest
Grove of the Burnwillows
Nature's Claim

LL: Kavu Predator gets too big too fast

12. edsillars
**DIFFERENT RESULTS**

Saprazzan Skerry
Saprazzan Skerry
Energy Field
Spiketail Hatchling
Imaginary Pet

LL: If he puts out Hatchling, then energy field (into spell pierce, but he just pays 2 with his other skerry), he can force me to try to kill hatchling with Zenith or just die to 1 damage per turn. I target it, he sacrificies it to counter my spell (no target on resolution). This makes him sac his energy field, but because Zenith is countered, I can't get it back. The He then plays Imaginary Pet and kills me.

13. Bugger
**DIFFERENT RESULTS**

City of Traitors
Lotus Petal
Anurid Scavenger
Mind Rot
Oblivion Ring

WW: On the play, I put out steam vents. He plays city, lotus petal, I spell pierce, forcing him to tap out. I play dwarven hold. He plays Anurid Scavenger. I charge Hold to 1, play gemstone caverns, and Zenith him for 1, putting Zenith in my Library. he has nothing to Oblivion ring and I have no cards in my hand. I draw Zenith, charge hold, play zenith for 1, and he goes. I eventually just zenith his scavenger and kill him 1 point at a time. On the draw, I do the same thing but using Gemstone Caverns (removing steam vents), and zenithing for 0 until I can hit his Anurid for 3.

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