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yakusoku Member	posted August 22, 2011 08:37 PM 5-Card Blind (5CB) is a very unique game. The rules are as follows: * Your deck is composed of 5 cards, all of which start in your hand. * You have no library (technically, the library exists, but starts at 0 cards) and no sideboard (Wishes fetch nothing). * Random effects always go against the owner of the card. * You can see your opponent's hand, so you can always make the best possible play. * You don't lose as a result of not being able to draw a card. * You will play each opponent twice, once going first, once going second. * For each win, you score 3. * For each draw, you score 1. * For each loss, you get nothing. * A subgame played with the card Shahrazad where neither player has any means to win the subgame will result in an incomplete game and both players will receive ZERO points for that game, since the main game cannot be resumed. Neither player loses or draws, so neither player earns any points. * Other than the aforementioned, EVERYTHING IS HANDLED EXACTLY LIKE A REAL GAME OF MAGIC! Remember, it is important for your deck to include a way to cast your cards! (Lands, artifact mana, pitch cards, etc.) If you want to play PM me or send me an e-mail in this format: Subject should include "Vanishing 5-Card Blind" (Just click on the little PM icon above my post and it should work out that way.) Card #1 Card #2 Card #3 Card #4 Card #5 Be sure you really are happy with your deck before you submit. Once you send in a deck, there is no changing it except in the case of an illegal entry. Please make every effort to spell your card names correctly. It makes it easier for everyone. Thanks. The "Vanishing" part is the twist. To start off with, only Unglued, Unhinged and Ante cards are banned. After each round, the 5 cards in the winning deck plus any cards in more than 1/3 of the decks played will be banned for all future rounds. Any lands that only provide mana are exempted from the banning rules. Exceptions may be made for lands which are deemed too powerful for the environment such as Mishra's Workshop and Tolarian Academy. NO MISE DECKS! Any deck submitted MUST have some win condition. Any deck that can do no better than a draw against any possible deck will be rejected. A deck that can't win any game is mathematically eliminated from winning the round, and thus would just be taking a chance to win away from someone who could actually have a shot. ALL players will assist in judging. The way this will work is that after the submission period is over, After all decks are revealed, judge your own deck against every other deck (going first and going second). Post your findings here in this thread. They will be reviewed by everyone for accuracy. Once a winner is determined the winners deck will be added to the banned list and the next round will begin. Repeated failure to do your own scoring will result in suspensions! --------------Current banned list-------------- All Unglued cards All Unhinged cards All Ante cards All cards not appearing in Gatherer (World Champion, Shichifukujin Dragon, cards from a new set not yet released, etc.) Multicolored: Lightning Helix Meddling Mage Progenitus Colorless non-artifacts: Emrakul, the Aeons Torn Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre Lands: Dark Depths Gemstone Caverns Ghost Quarter Inkmoth Nexus Karakas Maze of Ith Mishra's Factory Mishra's Workshop Mutavault Shelldock Isle Strip Mine Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale Tolarian Academy Undiscovered Paradise Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth Wasteland Artifacts: Black Lotus Blightsteel Colossus Chalice of the Void Elixir of Immortality Ensnaring Bridge Isochron Scepter Lion's Eye Diamond Lodestone Golem Mana Crypt Mana Vault Mox Emerald Mox Jet Mox Pearl Mox Ruby Mox Sapphire Phyrexian Processor Pithing Needle The Rack Scalding Tongs Sol Ring Sphere of Resistance Trinisphere Black: Bloodghast Cabal Therapy Contagion Dark Ritual Funeral Charm Inquisition of Kozilek Nether Spirit Oona's Prowler Reanimate Smallpox Thoughtseize Unmask Vampire Hexmage Blue: Chain of Vapor Daze Disrupting Shoal Echoing Truth Foil Force of Will Force Spike Hive Mind Leyline of Anticipation Leyline of Singularity Mental Misstep Show and Tell Spell Snare Sphinx of Jwar Isle Tidal Warrior Web of Inertia Green: Chancellor of the Tangle Channel Eureka Red: Burning Inquiry Pact of the Titan Red Sun's Zenith Seething Song Simian Spirit Guide Sneak Attack White: Balance Chancellor of the Annex Decree of Justice Leonin Relic-Warder Leyline of Sanctity Path to Exile Serra Ascendant Swords to Plowshares Winning decks that caused cards to be banned (History): Round 1, eschewing Black Lotus and Force of Will - yakusoku: Mishra's Workshop Ensnaring Bridge Trinisphere Scalding Tongs Scalding Tongs Round 1, played by over 1/3 of players: Black Lotus Force of Will Round 2, from s14sh3r: Mox Pearl City of Traitors Balance The Rack The Rack Round 2, played by over 1/3 of all players: Leyline of Anticipation Round 3, uncounterable - yakusoku: Leyline of Singularity Karakas Karakas Mishra's Factory Mishra's Factory Round 3, played by over 1/3rd of all players: Foil Round 4, almost perfect - yakusoku: Mox Emerald Mox Emerald Channel Emrakul, the Aeons Torn Pithing Needle Round 4, played by over 1/3rd of the field (3/7): Strip Mine Inkmoth Nexus Maze of Ith Round 5, he's in your mind, making you cast spells - LegendaryFerret: Tolarian Academy Mana Crypt Mana Vault Hive Mind Pact of the Titan Round 6, winning with A Rib of Cysts, A Parch of Vino, A Bleach Party, and some other stuff that's all mixed up - coinmagic45: City of Brass Chain of Vapor Cabal Therapy Burning Inquiry Nether Spirit Round 6, played by over 1/3rd of all players: Mox Sapphire Round 7, winning with lands and only lands - Magic1264: Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale Wasteland Ghost Quarter Mutavault Mutavault Round 7, played by over 1/3rd of all players: Mesmeric Fiend Round 8, out of the Depths, I cry to you, oh Marit Lage - SageShadows: Dark Depths Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth Thoughtseize Vampire Hexmage Vampire Hexmage Round 9, look at what he brought to Show and Tell - joz: Island Simian Spirit Guide Simian Spirit Guide Show and Tell Progenitus Round 9, played by over 1/3 of all players: Mox Jet Round 10, from a sneaky, sneaky guy - Myy: Blightsteel Colossus Sneak Attack Mox Ruby City of Traitors Seething Song Round 11, doing bad, evil things with black mana (like winning) - yakusoku Chancellor of the Annex Swamp Dark Ritual Oona's Prowler Reanimate Round 12, making Lightning strike the same place every turn - Myy: Isochron Scepter Lightning Helix City of Traitors Unmask Contagion Round 13, Dazing and Confusing - yakusoku: Island Tidal Warrior Tidal Warrior Mental Misstep Daze Round 14 - Blue spells for the win, Magic1264: Disrupting Shoal Force Spike Saprazzan Cove Web of Inertia Sphinx of Jwar Isle Round 15 - he may be immortal, but he can be killed, just not by more than one person, Numotflame96: Path to Exile Serra Ascendant Plains Elixir of Imortality City of Traitors Round 16, winning with Ulamog, but not THAT Ulamog deck - Numotflame96 and junichi: Swords to Plowshares Leonin Relic Warder Plains Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre Fountain of Cho Lion's Eye Diamond Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre Shelldock Isle Underground Sea Funeral Charm Round 16, played by over 1/3rd of all players: Channel Chancellor of the Tangle Eureka Round 17, 2 artifacts that tap 2 add 2 mana allowing 1st turn 4 cost spells are 2 good 4 this round - Magic1264: City of Traitors Sol Ring Sol Ring Lodestone Golem Phyrexian Processor Round 18, Resistance is futile - yakusoku: Ancient Tomb Chalice of the Void Decree of Justice Fountain of Cho Sphere of Resistance Round 19, NO, you can't cast that, so says - yakusoku: Leyline of Sanctity Meddling Mage Echoing Truth Plains Island Round 20, better than 39 other decks - LemonMeringue: Swamp Inquisition of Kozilek Bloodghast Undiscovered Paradise Smallpox Round 21, Izzet for real? Turn one counter every game - dfitzg88 Winners List: 7 yakusoku 3 Magic1264 2 Myy Numotflame96 1 coinmagic45 dfitzg88 joz junichi LegendaryFerret LemonMeringue SageShadows s14sh3r Decklists: 1. yakusoku Swamp Sheltered Valley Duress Bitterblossom Innocent Blood 2. LemonMeringue Fastbond Elven Spirit Guide Amulet of Vigor Golgari Rot Farm Exsanguinate 3. mattw Bayou City of Traitors Words of Wilding Duress Noxious Revival 4. Bugger Anurid Scavenger City of traitors Lotus petal Lotus petal Vindicate 5. Freakonaleash2009 urzas tower urzas mine urzas power plant steel hellkite wurmcoil engine 6. WeedIan Grove of the Burwillows Plateau Kavu Predator Punising Fire Wild Nacatl 7. Numotflame96 City of Traitors Remote Farm Candelabra of Tawnos Elspeth, Knight errant Ratchet bomb 8. dfitzg88 Tinder Farm Tinder Farm Durkwood Baloth Balancing Act Gut Shot 9. Magic1264 Chrome Mox City of Traitors Magus of the Moon Manic Vandal Phyrexian Revoker 10. edsillars Helix Pinnacle Forest City of Traitors Time Vault Voltaic Key 11. SageShadows Bayou Nature's Claim Innocent Blood Noxious Revival Helix Pinnacle 12. stab107 Swamp Bottomless Vault Duress Innocent Blood Phage the Untouchable [Edited 3 times, lastly by yakusoku on August 25, 2011]
WeedIan Member	posted August 23, 2011 03:04 PM I am in for this one. __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 10000+ posts 3rd in posts in Ontario 15th in posts on MOTL Top 5 in Refs in Ontario (by people who location posted)
Bugger Member	posted August 23, 2011 05:14 PM 3rd place, what what Aiming to do better my second time. __________________ It is a known fact that more Americans watch the television than any other appliance.
yakusoku Member	posted August 24, 2011 06:21 PM Last chance to submit. Deck lists go up tomorrow morning. I mailed out all the prizes from round 20.
yakusoku Member	posted August 25, 2011 08:10 AM The decklists have been posted. You may use other formats as well, but this one is a must. Also PLEASE make sure you use the proper deck number for your deck. Replace the '?' on the bottom line with the number next to your name on the decklist. Scoring: Play your deck against each other deck twice, once with you going first, once with them going first. Always remember that each deck is to be played perfectly. For each of the 2 games, score 3 points if your deck wins or 1 point if the game is a draw, with no points for a loss. Some examples: 2 wins (WW) is 6 points. A win and a draw (WD) is 4 points. A win and a loss (WL) is 3 points. 2 draws (DD) is 2 points. A draw and a loss (DL) is 1 point. 2 losses (LL) is 0 points. Plug YOUR deck number into the ? below the ##, and your score against each deck into the other slots. Do not play your deck against itself. Just enter an 'x' in the chart under your deck number. Please copy-and-paste the following code into your Message box in order to assist you with scoring: code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ?? ?? ??
Bugger Member	posted August 25, 2011 08:39 AM code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL 04 1 0 6 X 6 6 6 6 1 04 00 00 36 EDIT: **** vindicate is a sorcery __________________ It is a known fact that more Americans watch the television than any other appliance. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Bugger on August 25, 2011]
LemonMeringue Member	posted August 25, 2011 08:44 AM 1. yakusoku - WL Swamp Sheltered Valley Duress Bitterblossom Innocent Blood 2. LemonMeringue Fastbond Elven Spirit Guide Amulet of Vigor Golgari Rot Farm Exsanguinate 3. mattw - WL Bayou City of Traitors Words of Wilding Duress Noxious Revival 4. Bugger - WW Anurid Scavenger City of traitors Lotus petal Lotus petal Vindicate 5. Freakonaleash2009 - WW urzas tower urzas mine urzas power plant steel hellkite wurmcoil engine 6. WeedIan - WW Grove of the Burwillows Plateau Kavu Predator Punising Fire Wild Nacatl 7. Numotflame96 - WW City of Traitors Remote Farm Candelabra of Tawnos Elspeth, Knight errant Ratchet bomb 8. dfitzg88 - WW Tinder Farm Tinder Farm Durkwood Baloth Balancing Act Gut Shot 9. Magic1264 - WL Chrome Mox City of Traitors Magus of the Moon Manic Vandal Phyrexian Revoker 10. edsillars - WW Helix Pinnacle Forest City of Traitors Time Vault Voltaic Key 11. SageShadows - WL Bayou Nature's Claim Innocent Blood Noxious Revival Helix Pinnacle 12. stab107 - WL Swamp Bottomless Vault Duress Innocent Blood Phage the Untouchable code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL 02 3 X 3 6 6 6 6 6 3 06 03 03 51
SageShadows Member	posted August 25, 2011 09:47 AM 1. yakusoku WW I can grab whatever he duresses back and Nature’s Claim off the Bitterblossom, then take my sweet time winning. 2. LemonMeringue WL On the draw, he’s way too fast. On the play, I have Nature’s Claim mana up to stop any shenanigans. 3. mattw WW On the play, I play my Helix Pinnacle. He duresses away my Nature’s Claim. If he taps out to play Words of Wilding, I just Noxious Revival my Nature’s Claim and DE it on my turn. The trick is to do it EOT, so he can’t duress. On the draw, the same thing happens. 4. Bugger WW He can Scavenger, but I can Innocent Blood. He can Vindicate, but I can Noxious Revival back my Bayou. 5. Freakonaleash2009 LL I can’t stop the CA Machine that is Wurmcoil Engine. 6. WeedIan LL Punishing Fire (which has a cmc of 2, and not 3...) wins. 7. Numotflame96 LL I can’t stop the Elsepth. 8. dfitzg88 LL Balancing Act blows me out. 9. Magic1264 LL I can’t stop Magus of the Moon because it turns off my Bayou. 10. edsillars LL I can DE his Time Vault, but his Helix Pinnacle grows faster than mine. 11. SageShadows XX 12. stab107 WW Phage gets hit by Innocent Blood. I win at my leisure. ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL 11 6 3 6 6 0 0 0 0 0 00 XX 06 27 And I was doing so well at first too… [Edited 1 times, lastly by SageShadows on August 28, 2011]
Bugger Member	posted August 25, 2011 11:06 AM quote: Originally posted by SageShadows: And I was doing so well at first too… Ugh, tell me about it. And here I thought I was actually improving on my list from last round... __________________ It is a known fact that more Americans watch the television than any other appliance.
Numotflame96 Member	posted August 25, 2011 11:26 AM 1. yakusoku DL Swamp Sheltered Valley Duress Bitterblossom Innocent Blood turn 1 i cast canellabra and racthet bomb. he curesses away elspeth and i put a counter on the bomb. i have nothing more to do besides pass. he casts bitterblossom and a put a 2nd counter on the bomb. i untap and blow up the bomb taking out bitter blossom. naither of us can win. on the play he can get a single token from the blossom and beat me to death with it. 2. LemonMeringue LL Fastbond Elven Spirit Guide Amulet of Vigor Golgari Rot Farm Exsanguinate i have nothing to beat the turn 1 win.... 3. mattw LL Bayou City of Traitors Words of Wilding Duress Noxious Revival i cast turn 1 candelabra and bomb. he duresses elspeth. i charge bomb and blow up the words but he returns it with revival and wins. 4. Bugger Anurid Scavenger City of traitors Lotus petal Lotus petal Vindicate he plays scavenger and i play the bomb and candelabra. he gets a petal back and vindicates something. he kills the bomb and i cast elspeth and get a token. he gets petal back. i get a token. he gets petal. i get token and go to 6 loyalty. he gets vindicate, kills elspeth and wins. 5. Freakonaleash2009 L urzas tower urzas mine urzas power plant steel hellkite wurmcoil engine i cast bomb and set to 1 counter. he gets land. i get elsepth and get a token. he plays a land. i get a token and put a counter on bomb (2). he plays a land casts hellkite. next turn he attacks and blows up elspeth. i have nothing left besides 2 tokens and the bomb with can't take out the engine and hellkite. 6. WeedIan LL Grove of the Burwillows Plateau Kavu Predator Punising Fire Wild Nacatl tunr 1 bomb and candle. he casts nacatl and i put my bomb to 1. i cast elspeth and make a token(5 loyal). he attacks with nacatl. i block. he casts predator i gain a life and add a counter to the bomb. i untap tap make a token and blow up predator with bomb then make a token(6 loyalty) he casts punishing fire on my token then attacks elspeth (3 loyal) i get a token (4loyal). he attacks i block then he uses grove to brign back fires. i get token (5 loyal). he punishing fires the token then attacks. this lasts for a few turns till elspeth dies and then i lose 7. Numotflame96 XX City of Traitors Remote Farm Candelabra of Tawnos Elspeth, Knight errant Ratchet bomb 8. dfitzg88 LL Tinder Farm Tinder Farm Durkwood Baloth Balancing Act Gut Shot Can't Race blanceing act and i lose all my stuff to it. 9. Magic1264 Chrome Mox City of Traitors Magus of the Moon Manic Vandal Phyrexian Revoker he Rfgs vandal of magus and casts the other to either make my lands mountains or blow up candelabra. i cancharge up the bomb a bit but revoker shuts the bomb off and i lose. 10. edsillars Helix Pinnacle Forest City of Traitors Time Vault Voltaic Key he casts the key turn 1. i cast the bomb. he casts time vautl and takes infinite turns. on the play i get the bomb turn 1 and get to have it on 1 counter to kill the key. 11. SageShadows Bayou Nature's Claim Innocent Blood Noxious Revival Helix Pinnacle elspeth races the helix. 12. stab107 Swamp Bottomless Vault Duress Innocent Blood Phage the Untouchable on the play i get turn 1 bomb. he casts duress on elspeth. i have 1 counter on the bomb. he plays bottomless vault. at this point my bomb is 1 counter ahead of his vault and untaped so when he has the mana to cast phage i can blow it up. on the draw i'm pretty sure its the same since phage doesn't have haste so i still have an extra turn to kill it. i'll put it into the code this later... sufficient fail week... i need to get my game back and rack up some wins... i always meta game wrongly. i guess i should just go back to creating random combo crap and hoping it works
SageShadows Member	posted August 25, 2011 12:22 PM quote: Originally posted by Bugger: Ugh, tell me about it. And here I thought I was actually improving on my list from last round... Yeah. Here I thought I was breaking Noxious Revival.dec with my pro tech.
dfitzg88 Member	posted August 25, 2011 12:46 PM Decklists: 1. yakusoku Swamp Sheltered Valley Duress Bitterblossom Innocent Blood LL Duress and innocent blood stop me pretty dead. 2. LemonMeringue Fastbond Elven Spirit Guide Amulet of Vigor Golgari Rot Farm Exsanguinate LL No chance 3. mattw Bayou City of Traitors Words of Wilding Duress Noxious Revival LL Duress, you say? 4. Bugger Anurid Scavenger City of traitors Lotus petal Lotus petal Vindicate LL Vindicate kind of hurts. 5. Freakonaleash2009 urzas tower urzas mine urzas power plant steel hellkite wurmcoil engine WL On the play, balancing act hits before he can play any creatures. On the draw, he gets out wurmcoil engine and it ruins my life. 6. WeedIan Grove of the Burwillows Plateau Kavu Predator Punising Fire Wild Nacatl WW He can't kill me before I demolish everything. 7. Numotflame96 City of Traitors Remote Farm Candelabra of Tawnos Elspeth, Knight errant Ratchet bomb WW Balancing Act hits quick enough. 8. dfitzg88 Tinder Farm Tinder Farm Durkwood Baloth Balancing Act Gut Shot XX 9. Magic1264 Chrome Mox City of Traitors Magus of the Moon Manic Vandal Phyrexian Revoker LL He gets out Magus before I can cast balancing act or even suspend baloth. gut shot doesn't deal nearly enough damage. 10. edsillars Helix Pinnacle Forest City of Traitors Time Vault Voltaic Key LL I didn't realize Time Vault wasn't banned lol. Good deck. 11. SageShadows Bayou Nature's Claim Innocent Blood Noxious Revival Helix Pinnacle WW No way of stopping me from dropping balancing act. after that, he can only revival a land really. 12. stab107 Swamp Bottomless Vault Duress Innocent Blood Phage the Untouchable LL Duress gets me. Gut shot was a terrible pick since I was expecting more Chancellor of the Forge nonsense (it would have been perfect against that stupid deck lol). Oh well, I'll get it right next time. Also, TiME VAULT WAS LEGAL THIS WHOLE TIME?! How did no one abuse that card in 22 rounds?! code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL 08 0 0 0 0 3 6 6 X 0 00 06 00 21
edsillars Member	posted August 25, 2011 08:05 PM code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL 10 0 0 0 3 6 6 3 6 0 xx 06 00 30 1. yakusoku Swamp Sheltered Valley Duress Bitterblossom Innocent Blood LL. Duress takes out a combo piece and my clock is way slower. 2. LemonMeringue Fastbond Elven Spirit Guide Amulet of Vigor Golgari Rot Farm Exsanguinate LL. Fast combo, I have no disruption. 3. mattw Bayou City of Traitors Words of Wilding Duress Noxious Revival LL. Again, Duress takes a combo piece and my clock is way slower. 4. Bugger Anurid Scavenger City of traitors Lotus Petal Lotus Petal Vindicate WL On the play either I combo off, or he burns both Petals to Vindicate a combo piece and Pinnacle wins 34 turns later. On the draw his combo gets going first and can turn 1 Scavenger, turn 2 Vindicate. 5. Freakonaleash2009 urzas tower urzas mine urzas power plant steel hellkite wurmcoil engine WW No disruption to stop me from taking all the turns. 6. WeedIan Grove of the Burwillows Plateau Kavu Predator Punising Fire Wild Nacatl WW No disruption to stop me from taking all the turns. 7. Numotflame96 City of Traitors Remote Farm Candelabra of Tawnos Elspeth, Knight errant Ratchet bomb WL. On the play I'm too fast, on the draw Ratchet Bomb can click up to 1 to break my Key and 34 turns is too long after that. 8. dfitzg88 Tinder Farm Tinder Farm Durkwood Baloth Balancing Act Gut Shot WW. No disruption. 9. Magic1264 Chrome Mox City of Traitors Magus of the Moon Manic Vandal Phyrexian Revoker LL Pretty sure I lose to Manic Vandal turn 1 both games. 10. edsillars Helix Pinnacle Forest City of Traitors Time Vault Voltaic Key 11. SageShadows Bayou Nature's Claim Innocent Blood Noxious Revival Helix Pinnacle. WW. Even if he Claims a combo piece, my Pinnacle is faster. 12. stab107 Swamp Bottomless Vault Duress Innocent Blood Phage the Untouchable LL Duress > my deck. quote: Originally posted by dfitzg88: Also, TiME VAULT WAS LEGAL THIS WHOLE TIME?! How did no one abuse that card in 22 rounds?! I know! I made myself check like 4 times to make sure it wasn't a mistake. I mean, I didn't do amazing this round, but I'm amazed it lasted so long, and I'll be amazed if it lasts much longer... guess I just wait for a Duress deck to win first.
yakusoku Member	posted August 26, 2011 01:27 AM 1. yakusoku XX Swamp Sheltered Valley Duress Bitterblossom Innocent Blood 2. LemonMeringue WL. On the play, I duress one of his combo pieces. On the draw, he's too fast. 3. mattw LL. He can get whatever I take with Duress back with Noxious Revival and Duress my Bitterblossom and play Words. 4. Bugger WW. Duress takes Vindicate. Innocent Blood makes him lose his creature. 5. Freakonaleash2009 LL. Duress does nothing, Innocent Blood makes him sacrifice Wurmcoil Engine, and he's still got enough guys that I can't stop. 6. WeedIan LL. Duress makes him lose Punishing Fire, Innocent Blood makes him lose Wild Nacatl and I still lose to Kavu Predator. 7. Numotflame96 WD. Duress takes Elspeth, Ratchet Bomb destroys Bitterblossom, leaving me with 1 or 0 tokens depending on who went first. 8. dfitzg88 WW. Duress takes Balancing Act, Innocent Blood makes him lose Baloth. 9. Magic1264 WW. On the play, I Duress away Mox and his Revoker is no match for Bitterblossom. On the draw, I can still Innocent Blood away his first creature and make two creatures to block and fly over for the win. 10. edsillars WW. I Duress away either Time Vault or Key and race Helix Pinnacle. 11. SageShadows LL. Nature's Claim takes out my Bitterblossom and he has Noxious Revival to return anything I discard. 12. stab107 WD. On the play, Duress takes Duress and Innocent Blood takes out Phage while I win with Bitterblossom. On the draw, Duress takes my Bitterblossom, my Duress takes his Innocent Blood and my Innocent Blood makes him lose Phage. code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL 01 X 3 0 6 0 0 4 6 6 06 00 04 35
stab107 Member	posted August 26, 2011 06:47 AM 1. Yakusoku LD. On the draw his Duress takes my Duress and Innocent Blood takes Phage. On the play Duress takes Bitterblossom and his Innocent Blood takes out Phage so we stare. 2. LemonMeringue WL. On the play Duress one of his combo pieces. On the draw, lose at great haste. 3. mattw LL. Can't beat the Noxious Revival/other spell combo. 4. Bugger WW. On the play, Duress takes Vindicate. On the draw, Duress takes Vindicate because it's not an Instant . 5. Freakonaleash2009 LL. The machinations of the Urza lands is too much for this guy. Nice, unexpected submission! 6. WeedIan LL. Phage is too slow. 7. Numotflame96 LL. Ratchet Bomb makes me sad inside. 8. dfitzg88 WW. Duress takes Balancing Act, Innocent Blood handles Baloth. 9. Magic1264 WL. On the play, Duress away his Mox. On the draw, Magus hits the table before I can Phage and Innocent Blood can only force him to sac. the Revoker. 10. edsillars WW. Duress away a combo piece and Phage him! 11. SageShadows LL. Even if I duress away Innocent Blood, Noxious Revival gets it back. 12. stab107 XX code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL 12 1 3 0 6 0 0 0 6 3 06 00 XX 25
mattw Member	posted August 26, 2011 11:43 AM ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL 03 6 3 x 0 0 ? 6 6 3 06 00 06 36 for now. laziness stops me from scoring the last one.
Magic1264 Member	posted August 27, 2011 02:15 PM code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL 09 0 3 3 4 6 0 6 6 X 06 06 03 43
WeedIan Member	posted August 28, 2011 06:19 AM A Much better showing for me this time ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 TOTAL 6 0 6 0 0 x 6 0 6 0 6 6 36 1. yakusoku Swamp Sheltered Valley Duress Bitterblossom Innocent Blood WW - I can punishing fire his tokens over and over 2. LemonMeringue Fastbond Elven Spirit Guide Amulet of Vigor Golgari Rot Farm Exsanguinate LL - COMBO 3. mattw Bayou City of Traitors Words of Wilding Duress Noxious Revival WW - He can duress my Punishing fire but i get it back and deal with his bears 4. Bugger Anurid Scavenger City of traitors Lotus petal Lotus petal Vindicate LL - He vindicates my Grove and then can just wait to get vindicate back. 5. Freakonaleash2009 urzas tower urzas mine urzas power plant steel hellkite wurmcoil engine LL - Lifelink or Hellkite lose me the game 7. Numotflame96 City of Traitors Remote Farm Candelabra of Tawnos Elspeth, Knight errant Ratchet bomb WW - He can only ratchet bomb 1 of my 2 creatures and i can Punishing fire the tokens all day to get rid of Elspeth 8. dfitzg88 Tinder Farm Tinder Farm Durkwood Baloth Balancing Act Gut Shot LL - Balancing act takes me out, Gut shot keeps me from doing enough damage on the play due to killing a first turn nactl 9. Magic1264 Chrome Mox City of Traitors Magus of the Moon Manic Vandal Phyrexian Revoker WW - On the play i get my nactl in if he plays MoM i burn it out and then any of the other creatures. On the Draw if he play MoM i burn it out then play my other stuff. 10. edsillars Helix Pinnacle Forest City of Traitors Time Vault Voltaic Key LL - Infinite turns FTL 11. SageShadows Bayou Nature's Claim Innocent Blood Noxious Revival Helix Pinnacle WW - I can ping him out for 1 damage a turn with punishing fire before he can put 100 counters on Helix Pinncale. 12. stab107 Swamp Bottomless Vault Duress Innocent Blood Phage the Untouchable WW - I will always get in there for enough damage before Phage can hit the board (turn 7) Innocent blood will always hit Nacatl and not Kavu who could be as big as Phage when she gets out anyways
WeedIan Member	posted August 28, 2011 06:23 AM quote: Originally posted by SageShadows: 6. WeedIan WW Double Innocent Blood takes it down for me. Wrong, Punishing fires kills you all day, 1 damage over 20 turns is faster then 100 counters over 100 turns.
LemonMeringue Member	posted August 28, 2011 07:19 AM Don't think this makes a difference in any matchups, but you can only punishing fire every other turn since you have to pay R to bring it back Edit: maybe makes difference against token generating decks? [Edited 1 times, lastly by LemonMeringue on August 28, 2011]
WeedIan Member	posted August 28, 2011 07:53 AM quote: Originally posted by LemonMeringue: Don't think this makes a difference in any matchups, but you can only punishing fire every other turn since you have to pay R to bring it back Edit: maybe makes difference against token generating decks? You are correct. I have reviewed it and it does not change any matchups that i can see. 1. I sac Nactl and my guy gets too big vs his tokens (plus trample) 7. Ratchet bomb has to hit the guy with Trample at 2 which takes 3 turns and alot of damage either at him or his plainswalker. 9. Only need 3 Punishing fire swings to kill his 3 creatures 11. 40 turn kill is still faster then 100 2 damage, 1 life. Repeat. __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 10000+ posts 3rd in posts in Ontario 15th in posts on MOTL Top 5 in Refs in Ontario (by people who location posted)
SageShadows Member	posted August 28, 2011 09:10 AM quote: Originally posted by WeedIan: Wrong, Punishing fires kills you all day, 1 damage over 20 turns is faster then 100 counters over 100 turns. Sorry, I somehow got it in my mind that it had a cmc of 2. >_>
edsillars Member	posted August 28, 2011 05:28 PM 6. WeedIan Grove of the Burwillows Plateau Kavu Predator Punising Fire Wild Nacatl Unless I'm missing something, you can't just Punishing Fire someone out. Step 1: Cast Punishing Fire with Plateau and Grove, they gain 1 life, then take 2 damage. Step 2: Make a red with Grove, make them gain 1 life, pay R to return Punishing Fire to your hand. Opponent is at the same life total as before step 1 if I'm not missing anything. So it seems if a deck can take out both your critters you can't win.
Bugger Member	posted August 28, 2011 05:31 PM quote: Originally posted by edsillars: 6. WeedIan Grove of the Burwillows Plateau Kavu Predator Punising Fire Wild Nacatl Unless I'm missing something, you can't just Punishing Fire someone out. Step 1: Cast Punishing Fire with Plateau and Grove, they gain 1 life, then take 2 damage. Step 2: Make a red with Grove, make them gain 1 life, pay R to return Punishing Fire to your hand. Opponent is at the same life total as before step 1 if I'm not missing anything. So it seems if a deck can take out both your critters you can't win. Grove taps for colorless also. Use plateau for red instead. __________________ It is a known fact that more Americans watch the television than any other appliance. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Bugger on August 28, 2011]
edsillars Member	posted August 28, 2011 07:56 PM You are correct, I was thinking Grove didn't have a colorless mana producing ability for some reason. Thanks.

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