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Originally posted by jaromirjagr:
ya so,atleast he has a list.A big one with lots of variety.Im in the middle of getting some cards for him.Not every card on his list has high value ie dawn charm,mistmeadow witch ect.He has points hes willing to give away to people who need points.He states that points are negotiable.How do you know people shy away from this because they see lists with expensive wants?Maybe because they look at the list of wants and see that theres not much there and so they dont even bother with this thread.I know alot of people who buy little commons and uncommons with no value from strikezoneonline and coolstuffinc etc because they need them for decks and they want them now.Some people dont even bother with h/w list or tradeing.They need the cards for there decks now not in a week or month.I think this is failing because theres not enough wants.Nothing to feed of off.

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And if he lets go of those precious points there will be more wants once others have them. Remember, you can't have wants without having points first.

This could be a really good thing, but as is I don't think it ever will.

It's a weird thing when the resilience to solve a problem is greater than one's ability to resolve it.

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Originally posted by Timmyhill:
There is 243 points in the below zero freezer, I think we should work on trying to get the points out of there before we start attacking people.

I might have a new list to post soon but every time I'm ready I get a trade offer and it seems having 2 list going is too much for my simple brain.

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unfortunately most of those folks have no incentive to ever come back to exchange

Shiny is trying to get stuff he wants, no shame in that. His stuff is negotiable and be basically given out tons of cards to everyone to get those pts.

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Originally posted by Aznopium:
unfortunately most of those folks have no incentive to ever come back to exchange

Shiny is trying to get stuff he wants, no shame in that. His stuff is negotiable and be basically given out tons of cards to everyone to get those pts.

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I agree, no incentive. They got what they wanted so why bother after that.

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Originally posted by Timmyhill:
There is 243 points in the below zero freezer, I think we should work on trying to get the points out of there before we start attacking people.

I might have a new list to post soon but every time I'm ready I get a trade offer and it seems having 2 list going is too much for my simple brain.

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I did attack him, I just pointed out how he personally could remedy the situation previously discussed. He controls the majority of points and with that has the ability to change the current thread state. That is all.

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Originally posted by Shiny_dude:
I had already included a disclaimer which said that "(all points negotiable within reason as I have a ton of points and am looking to spend it to finish playsets/decks)".

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Just a suggestion, not picking at all, promise!

I think that putting approximate values on the stuff that you want would help get you some cards. Some people don't want to take the time to look and see what they have if they aren't sure that a deal can be reached, or that their idea of the point values aren't relatively close to yours, so they don't even try.

Just as an example with completely made-up info, if I value a point at about 10 cents and I see a card of yours worth about $2, then to me, it's about 20 points. If you value a point at about 50 cents, then you put the same card at about 4 points.

If you were to assign values that you think are fair, then people know about what they'd be getting, and whether it's worth it to try and strike a deal. You could even start out a bit low, and raise the points over time until you find someone who agrees with your values.

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Originally posted by Timmyhill:
Welll then why cant we ban them from the site?

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Because in the early days of the exchange things were a bit looser. It wasn't until a few people started abusing the system that we implemented the rules about not going below 0. It also seems that there was something about not having to give cards before you could receive, and starting out at 20 points or something, it's been quite a while. The quick answer is that some of them weren't breaking any rules by going below 0, and even if they were, banning for something like that is a little questionable.

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Originally posted by Thanos:
If I wanted to get back in, can I have my points back?

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Um, how many points you have? and with the current MCE thread admin resigning from here, who is gonna search the backlogs for your total points? I can do this for you of course for like a fetchland or something.

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Please replace my list with the following:
(ALL POINTS ARE NEGOTIABLE WITHIN REASON, I VALUE 1 POINT TO BE APPROXIMATELY $0.10)

Champion's Helm x 1 (commander, artifact, rare) --> 15 points
Karmic Justice x 1 (odyssey, white, rare) --> 20 points

Soul Snare x 2 (commander, white, uncommon) --> 5 pts
Zendikar Full-Art Basic Lands x X (zendikar, land, common) --> 3.5 pts (or whatever you think is fair)
Artifact Lands x X (mirrodin, artifact land, common) --> 3~5 points (depending which ones)
Path to Exile x 6 (Duel Deck only) --> 35 points
Path to Exile x 4 (Commander/Conflux/Archenemy, white, uncommon) --> 35 points
The Rack x 2 (Duels of the Planeswalker, artifact, uncommon) --> 15 points each or 50 points for both
Rancor x 1 (GvL/archenemy, green, common) --> 10 points
Rancor x 1 (Urza's Saga, green, common) --> 10 points
Swords to Plowshares x 6 (coldsnap, white, uncommon) --> 20 points
Swords to Plowshares x 1 (Ice age, white, uncommon) --> 20 points
Magma Jet x 1 (JvC/5th dawn, red, uncommon) --> 20 points
Propaganda x 1 (commander, uncommon, blue) --> 10 points
Ghostly Prison x 3 (commander, uncommon, white) --> 10 points

Shiny Dude's point negotiable stuff that seemed to be a bone of contention add up (assuming 10 zendikar full-art lands, and 10 artifact lands of varying types) to 790 points, which at his valuation of 10 cents per point is 79 dollars.

To buy those same cards on Starcitygames right now (And several are out of stock at this price) would cost 196.49, just under 200 dollars.

That's a 60% discount from the going rate at a large retail chain (though granted one known for overpricing many things)

Revenger is sending 36pts. worth of Torment.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
This post is not intended as a slam at Shiny Dude, or to be critical of his pricing or in any way suggest any wrongdoing on his part. Shiny Dude, please don't be offended, this is just for informational purposes to put into context what people's issues seem to be with the card exchange.

Shiny Dude's point negotiable stuff that seemed to be a bone of contention add up (assuming 10 zendikar full-art lands, and 10 artifact lands of varying types) to 790 points, which at his valuation of 10 cents per point is 79 dollars.

To buy those same cards on Starcitygames right now (And several are out of stock at this price) would cost 196.49, just under 200 dollars.

That's a 60% discount from the going rate at a large retail chain (though granted one known for overpricing many things)

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Aznopium is sending me:
a bunch of stuff for 16 points

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Originally posted by revenger:
Um, how many points you have? and with the current MCE thread admin resigning from here, who is gonna search the backlogs for your total points? I can do this for you of course for like a fetchland or something.

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Originally posted by Timmyhill:
There is 243 points in the below zero freezer, I think we should work on trying to get the points out of there before we start attacking people.

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Originally posted by WCFmo:
WestWycke...I should have like three points right? You should have gotten points from me back on page 2?

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Originally posted by Thanos:
If I wanted to get back in, can I have my points back?

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OK, I've answered all the questions I could answer. The debate over valuable cards continues, and while I'm not fond of it, I understand why it happens. In Shiny_dude's defense, the reason he has so many points because he has generously given out LOTS of cards. And when you think of it, if he has that many cards to give out, it probably means he doesn't need all that many cards in general.

But all of this discussion seems to have diverted the attention from the issue at hand. I still am looking for a volunteer to take over the reins. And other than MeddlingMage and revenger happily volunteering each other, there has been no real indication of anyone volunteering. I don't want the MCE to be disrupted by a change in management, so let's hear from someone.

And... Lists updated!

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Originally posted by Thanos:
Like I mentioned above, I had 19 pts.

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I think WestWycke was trying to convey the message that you have to start completely over again. Which really is not that bad, as you get a bonus point (19 + 1 =20). Just find someone who needs a common or uncommon, send it out, get your basic points from that sending out and your 20 point bonus. In the end, you will have like 25 points, which is better than the 19 points.

As for taking over the reins, I have considered it. But with my computer taking a crap on me months ago (I know I should have upgraded from Windows 95 to at least Windows 2000 Pro) and only have access through my cell phone (which is severly limited) the end result I would only be able to update lists and and all of that essentially just like you Westwycke, 1 time a week, up to ten days. I will continue to consider it and will keep you informed and updated.

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OK, I suppose one point is not really THAT fantastic. But this method is simple and straightforward, and cuts out a lot of extraneous bookkeeping. And I know you want to send out cards to someone.

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