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Topic: Vesuva
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rats60
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posted September 14, 2011 07:57 AM
        
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Originally posted by Ryoka:
Everyone seems like an expert in hind sight. Everyone has 20/20 vision in hind sight. Funny how NO ONE opened a thread in the middle of May or June with the title "I think Jace will get banned.".
There was lot of discussion on here about potential bannings at that time, you just weren't paying attention. http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/024948.html
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gcowhsu
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posted September 14, 2011 10:28 AM
I agree that pyromancer's Ascension is the only card that would potentially get banned. You have the pyromancer shell and can turn it into splinter twin via SB or have it mainboard. However, GY hate is plenty and there is also trinisphere, which helps against zoo as well. As a result it won't get touched.
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oneofchaos
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posted September 14, 2011 04:44 PM
I think the solution should be unbanning as opposed to banning. Too many cards are literal "do nothings" on the banned list currently.
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Volcanon
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posted September 14, 2011 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
I think the solution should be unbanning as opposed to banning. Too many cards are literal "do nothings" on the banned list currently.
Unban Drain and Mox Pearl!
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mm1983
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posted September 14, 2011 05:23 PM
I'd see Splinter Twin getting banned before Vesuva but even then they would ban Deceiver Exarch before banning Splinter Twin as big cards don't work well without the common/uncommon cards that fuel the combos such as Vesuva not being banned but Cloudpost and Glimmerpost would get banned before Vesuva.
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caquaa
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posted September 14, 2011 05:29 PM
that would still leave pestermite and kiki-jiki. That combo is fine to have around and just needs to be made less consistent. They can do that by banning some blue card filtering spells, but there are so many of them I'm not sure if they want to ban them all.The other approach that might be taken is to make a subtle change and then see if the format can correct itself via metagaming. Not sure how likely that is to happen though. Survival got banned because people wouldn't run leyline of the void.
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Ryoka
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posted September 14, 2011 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by rats60:
There was lot of discussion on here about potential bannings at that time, you just weren't paying attention.http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/024948.html
err...i just read the thread. the only discussion that took place was that Jace is a good card. not a single person actually thought it would be banned. IN FACT, the only comments on there was that it WONT be banned. by posting this thread actually helps my arguement....that no one actually thought they would ban jace. you're pretty bad at lawyering. but props to trying. EDIT - i'll give u a second chance to redeem your embarassment. go and find me a single thread where ANYONE actually makes the prediction - "I think Jace will be banned. Mark my words" or to that effect.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Ryoka on September 14, 2011]
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oneofchaos
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posted September 14, 2011 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Unban Drain and Mox Pearl!
Either a bad troll or naturally not very bright. Cards like chrome mox + sword of the meek + JTMS are literally awful in the current metagame. I have no idea why we need ancestral visions on the banned list when the earliest you can cast it is turn 5...yet combo decks are killing EVERYONE turn 3-4. The biggest mistake wizards made was saying they didn't want control to dominate. The old triangle where combo beats aggro, aggro beats control, control beats combo? Remove the control pillar and...you have a bunch of aggro decks playing with decks that don't care what their opponents do and just untapping and killing them. I believe reintroducing control into the format would allow the metagame to develop successfully (at least healthier than now). It will take cards like JTMS, ancestral visions, maybe even misstep, but we need to allow a decent control deck to be built that can combat combo in it's current form.
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revenger
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posted September 14, 2011 07:05 PM
A quicker and easier way is to just ban Islands. Blue is usually the culprit behind these combos.  ~Revenger __________________
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rats60
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posted September 15, 2011 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by Ryoka:
err...i just read the thread. the only discussion that took place was that Jace is a good card. not a single person actually thought it would be banned. IN FACT, the only comments on there was that it WONT be banned.by posting this thread actually helps my arguement....that no one actually thought they would ban jace. you're pretty bad at lawyering. but props to trying. EDIT - i'll give u a second chance to redeem your embarassment. go and find me a single thread where ANYONE actually makes the prediction - "I think Jace will be banned. Mark my words" or to that effect.
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Originally posted by rats60:
Actually, it would be right after. The Grand Prix this past weekend had a top 8 of 6 with Jace TMS and Stoneforge/Hawk, 1 with just Jace TMS and 1 with just Stoneforge/Hawk. Even though they are rotating soon, it would be good for the game to see Jace TMS and Stoneforge leave Type 2 July 1 in my opinion.
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Originally posted by rats60:
I think you are going to see something out of the deck banned July 1. I don't think WOTC wants to see another repeat of the last two Standard GPs for Nationals and another GP.
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Originally posted by Devonin:
You could always go the Affinity route and ban every single card that makes up the entire deck.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by rats60 on September 15, 2011]
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Ryoka
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posted September 15, 2011 06:28 PM
wow, that is your evidence?2 of the quotes are from yourself and the last quote was a sarcastic comment to ban the whole deck. but if u really want to win this arguement, i'll give it to u.
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Tha Gunslinga
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posted September 15, 2011 06:44 PM
This thread appears to be going nowhere.
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