http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mtg-Foil-P9-Proxies-Proxy-Power-Nine-/320860069579?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab4c01ecb

...is this allowed? What about the auctions where the seller says that you the bidder are bidding on a swamp and they are going to throw in a set of proxy power 9?

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Originally posted by MagicPatty:
Like this...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mtg-Foil-P9-Proxies-Proxy-Power-Ni ne-/320860069579?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ab4c01ecb

...is this allowed? What about the auctions where the seller says that you the bidder are bidding on a swamp and they are going to throw in a set of proxy power 9?

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Although this discussion shouldn't go any further, I'm sure this post will be closed if it does.

P9 isn't foiled and never will be, and if you don't mind P9 proxies there are some really nice ones out there. Although it is inexpensive to make these most people do not possess the know how or even want to invest the time or energy to do so. These proxies are illegal, but even so, I'm sure 98.5% of the M:tG "global community" wouldn't mind owning a set.

I could be wrong though.

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Originally posted by rockondon:

I could be wrong though.

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Yeah

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Originally posted by rockondon:
My understanding was that proxies were legal but you weren't allowed to make a profit on selling them. You can get around this for selling them for free and charging a bundle on shipping.

I could be wrong though.

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By this logic, stealing and even distributing music is legal, as long as you don't turn around and sell it. This is quite obviously very very incorrect.

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My friend used to say the same about prostitutes just selling shoelaces for hundreds of dollars.

How does this apply in a digital medium though? Tons of proxies are made through an image editor and shared. Salvation seems particularly anal about not breaking rules/laws or whatever but they do that. And openly discuss how to ruin cards to print on them, etc etc.

Proxies that don't use any of WOTC trademarks can be sold on ebay (examples would be the gamersetc ones)

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Originally posted by Demilio:
Usually they take these down. I've reported a few that are egregious. I don't know how this guy is still doing these...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MTG-Volcanic-Island-ALTERED-ART-FO IL-/150759102015?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2319f1563f

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I love how he puts all the rules of what is acceptable for legal art alterations, and yet he's using foil basics to make "Dual Lands" and sell them at $125.99 a piece! Oh, but they are altered art.

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Originally posted by farsk8dutch:
I love how he puts all the rules of what is acceptable for legal art alterations, and yet he's using foil basics to make "Dual Lands" and sell them at $125.99 a piece! Oh, but they are altered art.

Maybe he'd be a bit less of a scumbag, or not, if he sold them 1/8 the price like the other guys were.

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Originally posted by farsk8dutch:
I love how he puts all the rules of what is acceptable for legal art alterations, and yet he's using foil basics to make "Dual Lands" and sell them at $125.99 a piece! Oh, but they are altered art.

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Originally posted by farsk8dutch:
I love how he puts all the rules of what is acceptable for legal art alterations, and yet he's using foil basics to make "Dual Lands" and sell them at $125.99 a piece! Oh, but they are altered art.

Maybe he'd be a bit less of a scumbag, or not, if he sold them 1/8 the price like the other guys were.

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Originally posted by farsk8dutch:
I love how he puts all the rules of what is acceptable for legal art alterations, and yet he's using foil basics to make "Dual Lands" and sell them at $125.99 a piece! Oh, but they are altered art.

Maybe he'd be a bit less of a scumbag, or not, if he sold them 1/8 the price like the other guys were.

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Also to point out the Liliana of the Veils in that Video were sold by Steve Argyle at his last GP signing, so they must be legal if they were sold at a WoTC event.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
yah, pretty sure you're mistaken on this. The guy uses real cards. He gets away with it because he is "altering" them for what its worth.

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I believe you're right, I was quick to assume because the closest it comes to stating in the auction that all of the finished alterations are performed on their respective authentic originals is "You are bidding on an authentic Magic the Gathering card". I originally took that as he's only using a real M:tG basic, and seeing the foil basics pictured in the video, to complete the FAT process.

My bad saying these were fakes. I think I was more confused by the wording he used in the auction and when I compared it to those used by the knock-off sellers. The card being altered is the same card after the alteration as before. Maybe that would work. I'm just being redundant now.

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
I will say, all the duals fitting together on a reel is pretty freaking sweet though.

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Originally posted by farsk8dutch:
I believe you're right, I was quick to assume because the closest it comes to stating in the auction that all of the finished alterations are performed on their respective authentic originals is "You are bidding on an authentic Magic the Gathering card". I originally took that as he's only using a real M:tG basic, and seeing the foil basics pictured in the video, to complete the FAT process.

My bad saying these were fakes. I think I was more confused by the wording he used in the auction and when I compared it to those used by the knock-off sellers. The card being altered is the same card after the alteration as before. Maybe that would work. I'm just being redundant now.

I'm glad that they aren't fakes, but I still think they're extremely pricey for a nice looking print.

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Seems they are pricey cause they are being consigned by the artists doing the art for the cards....for instance those Liliana of the Veils...

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:

Seems they are pricey cause they are being consigned by the artists doing the art for the cards....for instance those Liliana of the Veils...

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Originally posted by Zakman86:
I wouldn't allow any of those in any tournament in which I'm judging. It's too easy to hide a fake.

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Kind of, the text/name/cost is all legit....also big problem I'm seeing is WoTC endorsing them...as this guy is actually sending copies to WoTC to make sure he isn't doing anything illegal.