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Topic: History lesson you will enjoy
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MTDetermine Member
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posted March 22, 2012 08:41 AM
quote: Originally posted by D'Shay: *edit* oh and the deck i was playing back then? a green/white deck that played cop red and black main, as i did not have a greater realm of preservation or even know about it until after that weekend
When I played in 1998, my friends had numerous nice decks. Mono-Black Royal + Icy, Red Ball Lightning Hammer of Bogardan, Blue White Serra Angel, Blue Black control....etc Hence it only took me a while to figure out that COP is not very useful as there is only 20% probability (Mono colors were the rage in 1998) that your opponent will be using your COP color. But looking from the point of a new player who did not have a lot of exposure to many cards, I can imagine getting excited over a card that gives protection against black and red. Actually, WOTC should consider running a special MTGO "Alpha/Beta Draft" where no boosters are provided and only Event Tixs are needed. This way, all cards will be "deleted" after the draft as no "MTGO booster pack" is purchased. It will be a nice memory of MTG roots and give present players an idea of how MTG is like in its most original flavor. I believe a lot of veterans who only now play Legacy will want to try that too.
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Dancam1 Member
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posted March 22, 2012 09:00 AM
quote: Originally posted by MTDetermine: When I played in 1998, my friends had numerous nice decks. Mono-Black Royal + Icy, Red Ball Lightning Hammer of Bogardan, Blue White Serra Angel, Blue Black control....etc Hence it only took me a while to figure out that COP is not very useful as there is only 20% probability (Mono colors were the rage in 1998) that your opponent will be using your COP color. But looking from the point of a new player who did not have a lot of exposure to many cards, I can imagine getting excited over a card that gives protection against black and red. Actually, WOTC should consider running a special MTGO "Alpha/Beta Draft" where no boosters are provided and only Event Tixs are needed. This way, all cards will be "deleted" after the draft as no "MTGO booster pack" is purchased. It will be a nice memory of MTG roots and give present players an idea of how MTG is like in its most original flavor. I believe a lot of veterans who only now play Legacy will want to try that too.
Funny thing about the beta drafting. Once, my friend won a beta Starter, and this was about 10 years ago. So, it was worth a good amount of money. And he couldn't decide what to do with hit. Should he sell it, save it, open it, trade it? Well, we decided to open it and we all tossed in some cash that we thought we'd get some of the basic lands etc. YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS Why you ask? Because it was a GOD BOX. Yes, you read that right. This mythical thing only a few of us have ever seen (like summer magic) really happened in front of our eyes and we were dying at the awesomeness of it. For those who don't know, God packs/box (for starters) were mistakes that happened. Instead of getting the uncommons, they were replaced with rares. Yes, that is right, this starter had 18 rares in it instead. 15 uncommons were out. Included in those 18 rares were a brand new beautiful CHAOS ORB. 2 DUAL LANDS which were Scrubland and Tropical Island. AND, ARE U SITTING DOWN FOR THIS 2 MOXES YES, 2 MOXES. 1 BLUE AND ONE WHITE. NEEDLESS TO SAY, HE WAS UPSET WE AGREED TO SPLIT THE PACK, BUT, THEN WAS HAPPY WITH IT. He ended up with a ton of great cards including a lightning bolt and a sinkhole. So, yes, Virginia, there really are God PACKS/BOXES out there still...
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Thanos Member
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posted March 22, 2012 09:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by evilempire22: http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/025370.html
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junichi Moderator
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posted March 22, 2012 09:55 AM
quote: Originally posted by Thanos: http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/025370.html
http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/024785.html __________________ MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 ChampionYou know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help.
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Thanos Member
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posted March 22, 2012 10:16 AM
quote: Originally posted by junichi: http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/024785.html
Nice necro, but seriously: quote: Originally posted by evilempire22: http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/025370.html
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Dancam1 Member
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posted March 22, 2012 10:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by Thanos: Nice necro, but seriously:
Why do u keep putting that link there? Can u explain the point? This post is not about Saga or stuff. I'd appreciate a comment, not a link. I think quite a few people are having a great time recalling their "glory" days and for those who haven't been playing that long, they can get something too. The rules of magic have changed so much. So, what is the point of that 11 page link?
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junichi Moderator
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posted March 22, 2012 10:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by Dancam1: Why do u keep putting that link there? Can u explain the point? This post is not about Saga or stuff. I'd appreciate a comment, not a link. I think quite a few people are having a great time recalling their "glory" days and for those who haven't been playing that long, they can get something too. The rules of magic have changed so much. So, what is the point of that 11 page link?
He is saying this doesn't deserve its own thread, and you should close this and post it in the PFMS. __________________ MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 ChampionYou know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help.
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Dancam1 Member
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posted March 22, 2012 10:44 AM
quote: Originally posted by junichi: He is saying this doesn't deserve its own thread, and you should close this and post it in the PFMS.
That isn't his call tho, it is the moderators and history should not be forgotten. If they keep it here and people want to post what they were playing during ice age, or exodus, even Saga, i don't see the harm. I think this post does deserve to live, people seem interested in it. What does everyone else say? I was gonna do an entire "legend" of what we used to play during the "dark ages" of magic, before internet, ebay, deck lists, even card sleeves. I think people would be shocked at some of the stories from years ago. So, what say you MOTL, u up for a fun history lesson, and feel free to list your own part of history too!!
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junichi Moderator
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posted March 22, 2012 10:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by Dancam1: That isn't his call tho, it is the moderators and history should not be forgotten. If they keep it here and people want to post what they were playing during ice age, or exodus, even Saga, i don't see the harm. I think this post does deserve to live, people seem interested in it. What does everyone else say?I was gonna do an entire "legend" of what we used to play during the "dark ages" of magic, before internet, ebay, deck lists, even card sleeves. I think people would be shocked at some of the stories from years ago. So, what say you MOTL, u up for a fun history lesson, and feel free to list your own part of history too!!
TBH, this is definitely borderline PFMS, but there isn't enough action in the MD forum anyway, and I personally don't think we need to consolidate everything into a PFMS.
__________________ MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 ChampionYou know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help.
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Dancam1 Member
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posted March 22, 2012 11:03 AM
quote: Originally posted by junichi: TBH, this is definitely borderline PFMS, but there isn't enough action in the MD forum anyway, and I personally don't think we need to consolidate everything into a PFMS.
what does PFMS stand for? What does TBH mean? Oh, To be honest?? I just learned something new. If I accidentally broke a rule, sorry. I guess I don't understand what the threads stand for. If someone can give me a break down, that'd be great. thanx Dan
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junichi Moderator
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posted March 22, 2012 11:09 AM
quote: Originally posted by Dancam1: what does PFMS stand for? What does TBH mean? Oh, To be honest?? I just learned something new. If I accidentally broke a rule, sorry. I guess I don't understand what the threads stand for. If someone can give me a break down, that'd be great. thanx Dan
PFMS = Post for magic stuff. It is a thread meant for general magic stuff that you just want to share with others. Usually, there isn't a specific topic in there, and people often discuss various things all at once. __________________ MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 ChampionYou know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help.
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Myy Member
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posted March 22, 2012 12:21 PM
TBH nobody posts there anyway.. at least here people are participating.I remember my first tournament. I put together a RG deck. no name, no style, no theme, nothing. it was Green and red cards and had mostly 1 of's I started playing in 97, so the tourney was probably a little bit after that. I played against my first sliver deck back then, and fell in love with them. I'd never seen them before. they were just so cool. sharing abilities, come on! I algo got beaten by a red deck, playing burn spells and hasty creatures. I just remember having that cockatrice, and playing 2 giant growths on it just to have the opp. fireblast it in response to the growths. I thought to myself what trickery is this?! in response>? I already cast my spells. but alas, I was wrong as I didn't really know the rules. short story, I lost pretty much all my matches, but I had a blast playing, and had lots of stories to tell me friends. =) fakeEdit. I even put my deck on the deck forums, but I tried searching for it, I guess the thread if just too old. does MOTL keep super old threads somewhere, or are they deleted after say 10 yrs, and then vanich>? anyone know real Edit, so many typos... =/
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airwalk Member
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posted March 22, 2012 01:55 PM
In case you didn't know, nothing about Magic is worthy of it's own thread in Magic Discussion. Anything Magic related should be in the PFMS. In fact MOTL should just be trimmed down to two threads, the PFS and PFMS, all others are just taking up valuable space on this super active site.
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WCFmo Member
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posted March 22, 2012 02:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by airwalk: In case you didn't know, nothing about Magic is worthy of it's own thread in Magic Discussion. Anything Magic related should be in the PFMS. In fact MOTL should just be trimmed down to two threads, the PFS and PFMS, all others are just taking up valuable space on this super active site.
So I should post my H/W list in the PFMS right? Also, my first deck I bought was a Portal Starter...that was a lot of fun back in the day. I still have a few of the cards (they are mostly worthless though). __________________ <Liq> you just can't expect a sig worthy line to appear out of nowhere on demand <stacker> i dont hang out with the patients afterwards, we got nurses for that "Basically, if you ever find yourself daisy-chaining multiple dongles together, you must be doing pretty well in life."
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Bagbokk Member
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posted March 22, 2012 02:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by WCFmo: So I should post my H/W list in the PFMS right?
Nah, airwalk was just wrong. There'd be a Post for H/W Lists and Post for Sale/Buy Lists as well in those respective forums.
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Volcanon Member
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posted March 22, 2012 03:06 PM
Maybe we need a "post for people who won't stop posting links to the PFMS even though very little posted there ever gets even one response."In other news, I started around Scourge. I remember my first draft was absolutely awful, but I won because my opponent had two wretched anurid and so I shocked him to the face every time I played a creature. But pretty soon after I learned how to build a deck (everybody netdecked by then, so it was either that or always lose) and then learned draft was a lot more fun and have mostly played limited ever since.
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caquaa Member
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posted March 22, 2012 03:49 PM
quote: Originally posted by MTDetermine: Actually, WOTC should consider running a special MTGO "Alpha/Beta Draft" where no boosters are provided and only Event Tixs are needed. This way, all cards will be "deleted" after the draft as no "MTGO booster pack" is purchased. It will be a nice memory of MTG roots and give present players an idea of how MTG is like in its most original flavor. I believe a lot of veterans who only now play Legacy will want to try that too.
to make it more realistic it would have to be sealed deck. Give you one starter and 1 pack or something. 6 packs? nice try. When we started as kids we didn't have such a luxury. We still built 60 card decks with that too. I got 1 starter deck and worked from there, but my starter deck was 4th. Locally you could still buy dark packs, it legends, and I believe they had a little revised left. If only I had started a little sooner, I would have sold off anything valuable and could reminisce about it.
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Jtrade77 Member
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posted March 22, 2012 06:10 PM
This makes me remember something that happened at one of those big conventions I went to a long while back. It was right after tempest was released, and I had signed up for this huge free-for-all tournament, where everyone's stuff affected everyone else.The prize was one pack for each person who you knocked out, and it had 23 people. We expected it to last forever and I want to say there was a turn time limit. I don't remember what I was playing, but I *do* remember killing a three or four people with lightning bolts and burn in a similar event before, so likely it was mono-red. Anyway, we all sit down, get the event going, etc... turns out some people are playing pros-bloom and want to deck the table. The people playing blue used their early force of will and counters to stop these people. I'm thinking about what I'll be discarding come my first turn (I had twentysomething cards in hand thanks to various Prosperities) when turn passes over to the guy beside me. His turn one play: draw a card, Mountain, Firestorm the entire table for 22 each. None of the blue players had counter spells left. He walked away with all the packs and I remember thinking 'that was cool, but now I've got a few hours deadtime at this convention'. Probably one of my strongest magic memories, and why I never traded a single Firestorm away after that day. I think have like 12 of them now.
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mattw Member
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posted March 23, 2012 06:45 AM
The first time I started magic was back in 4th edition days, just missed the boat on all the really awesome stuff.Although I probably would have traded it to the older kids for garbage anyway. Like seriously, a 5 mana cost counter spell that I could pay life for instead? No thank you, I'll trade like 4 of those for a Lake of the Dead. Balduvian Horde? pfft, I don't wanna discard a card. Give me a Knight of Dawn anyday. Basically everything good I didn't play. I had no concept of card advantage or 2 for 1's. Fairly sad looking back, and kinda funny I suppose.
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MTDetermine Member
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posted March 23, 2012 08:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by Jtrade77: Anyway, we all sit down, get the event going, etc... turns out some people are playing pros-bloom and want to deck the table. The people playing blue used their early force of will and counters to stop these people. I'm thinking about what I'll be discarding come my first turn (I had twentysomething cards in hand thanks to various Prosperities) when turn passes over to the guy beside me.His turn one play: draw a card, Mountain, Firestorm the entire table for 22 each. None of the blue players had counter spells left. He walked away with all the packs
LOL, I bet it is his BEST MTG game ever in his life.
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Crash21 Member
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posted March 23, 2012 08:45 AM
Back in the beginning, there were no "4-of" rules. You put whatever and however many of any card in your deck, it just had to be at least 40 cards. So my friend built a 42 card deck - 14 swamps, 14 dark rituals, 14 plague rats. I was able to counter that with my 14 Island, 14 Flying Men, 14 Unstable Mutation deck.Then they started having sanctioned tournaments, so a friend of mine thought he'd be extremely clever and build a 60 card well-tuned deck with no win conditions except milling, focusing on 4 millstones and lots of counter magic and threat removal. So we get to the single elimination tournament,and he sits down for his first match - directly across from a 13 year old kid with a 250 card deck. Needless to say, his mill strategy failed.
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rockondon Member
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posted March 23, 2012 10:47 AM
a friend of mine used to play a red deck with no mountains. He used 20 or so mox ruby instead. __________________ |My Angels~My P9 l""|"\__, |~~My #1 Angel~~l'_|'_|_|) |(@)(@)""***|(@)(@)**|(@)
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djcards Member
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posted March 23, 2012 07:44 PM
I didn't get an early start on magic. The first pack I ever bought had a Masticore in it. I was convinced to trade it for a colossus of sardia and a Dwarven Lieutenant.At a later date, when MM released, I traded a Squee, Goblin Nabob for an "old" dancing scimitar to the same "friend". Looking back I am pretty sure they got away with a lot more that I just can't remember.
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iccarus Member
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posted March 23, 2012 08:26 PM
quote: Originally posted by MTDetermine: LOL, I bet it is his BEST MTG game ever in his life.
If that had been me, I guarantee I would still be telling that story to anyone who would listen. __________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air!I collect Granite Gargoyles. Send them my way.
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evilempire22 Member
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posted March 24, 2012 06:24 PM
I remember my first few games of Magic included such powerhouses as Manabarbs (which we thought only affected opponents) and Time Bomb.--Evil __________________ I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds. Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.
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