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Topic: Savannah is the "most wanted" dual land?
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Mr. Ruboonia Member
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posted March 25, 2012 12:25 AM
I never thought I'd see the day the green/white (arguably the worst two colors in magic) dual land would be the most sought after on MOTL. What's driving the demand? Is the legacy green/white Stoneforge deck that good? EDH?This is big. Very big. More people want Savannah than Underground Sea. Might as well start selling off our FoWs now.
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Volcanon Member
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posted March 25, 2012 01:05 AM
Before you batten down the hatches, it's probably because underground sea is prohibitively expensive now, so people have stopped bothering to try to trade for it.
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thror Member
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posted March 25, 2012 01:09 AM
The 'most wanted' list is a little skewed. Just because it's there doesnt mean people wouldnt rather have seas or tundras or what have you. Some of that is surely driven by the GW decks being easier to play well and less harsh on the budget.There wont be a panic sell off of blue duals/cards. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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Havoc Demon Member
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posted March 25, 2012 01:29 AM
Most people on this website can't get either dual, but I guess if they had to choose, they would want the cheaper one. I always thought the Top 10 was a farce and didn't actually mean anything. I doubt this is any different. __________________ Most References in Massachusetts 80th All-timeSupport my friend's store: http://www.tabletoparena.com My blog: http://wings0298.blogspot.com
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Bagbokk Member
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posted March 25, 2012 01:48 AM
I don't know about "most wanted," but the price has gone up a little more on it than any other dual recently, so it does seem pretty hot at the moment.
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Speed Demon Banned
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posted March 25, 2012 02:23 AM
Maverick
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lordofthepit23 Member
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posted March 25, 2012 05:00 AM
Not surprised at all, and it's not just a budget thing.The Hatfield's article includes data for SCG Cincinnati, Charlotte, Tampa, and Memphis. If you look at the combined performance through those four Opens, the four archetypes with the highest match win percentages are Enchantress (59.68%), Bant (58.39%), RUG Tempo (57.08%), and Maverick (56.30%, with the generic G/W version posting 61.92%). Granted, the sample size is really small for Enchantress, but G/W is where it's at until combo becomes a significant presence again. (http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/legacy/23733_Legacy_Week_Too_MuchInformation.html) On an unrelated note, black is awful right now. All the black decks (Dredge, Storm, Pox, Reanimator, BUG Control, B/W Stoneblade) posted below 48% match wins.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by lordofthepit23 on March 25, 2012]
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WeedIan Member
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posted March 25, 2012 06:08 AM
Most wanted means the number of want lists with it on it.__________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 11000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario 13th in posts on MOTL 5th in Refs in Ontario Pushing to get to top 100 in MOTL Refs
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lmdemasi Member
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posted March 25, 2012 09:23 AM
The trade matcher is bad. So for example, if you have Savannah Lions on your list, it counts that as Savannah.
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Animosity Member
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posted March 25, 2012 09:33 AM
quote: Originally posted by lmdemasi: The trade matcher is bad. So for example, if you have Savannah Lions on your list, it counts that as Savannah.
But who wants those?
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revenger Member
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posted March 25, 2012 10:53 AM
The artwork is done by Rob Alexander and thus I need it for my fave art artist collection of his. So naturally, price is gonna skyrocket or have high demand for it. / end snipe__________________ Motl member since November 1, 2000Your 2008 and 2010 Motl Siskel & Ebert award winner! 38th in refs on Motl! - 4 behind whocares First in refs in state of Arizona!
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-Lunch_Box- Member
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posted March 26, 2012 05:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by lordofthepit23: Not surprised at all, and it's not just a budget thing.The Hatfield's article includes data for SCG Cincinnati, Charlotte, Tampa, and Memphis. If you look at the combined performance through those four Opens, the four archetypes with the highest match win percentages are Enchantress (59.68%), Bant (58.39%), RUG Tempo (57.08%), and Maverick (56.30%, with the generic G/W version posting 61.92%). Granted, the sample size is really small for Enchantress, but G/W is where it's at until combo becomes a significant presence again. (http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/legacy/23733_Legacy_Week_Too_MuchInformation.html)
To expand on this at the last SCG Legacy event in Baltimore Mavrick took 6 out of the top 8 spots including the top 3
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Tranderas Member
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posted March 27, 2012 07:43 AM
quote: Originally posted by -Lunch_Box-: To expand on this at the last SCG Legacy event in Baltimore Mavrick took 6 out of the top 8 spots including the top 3
It has nothing to do with price. Get off your soap box Volc. It has everything to do with the fact that there's another GWx deck that is dominant in Legacy, which is where most duals are used. Vintage rarely changes. It took Jace TMS and a key unrestriction to make a significant dent in the Vintage meta. So before you jump to some conclusion about "the game is too expensive" you need to look at hard data on Legacy to explain shifts in price or demand of duals, fetches or certain key older cards. Remember how Candelabra spiked when it was unrestricted and mandatory for the deck that was considered Legacy's best for a month? A mandatory 4-of for $150+ a pop tells me that maybe price is only a minor dissuading factor. Since multiple people t8ed events with the deck after the unbanning, obviously price was not a terribly significant factor. It's Maverick. It's a stupid name given to an old deck with a new Mystic-al creature. It's basically GW Stompy with stoneforge mystic. There's very little in terms of new tech here. Play the dudes, crush opponents, win games. Some people are adding blue for the counterspells- also not new (see bant counterbalance from 2008-2009 and other decks from even earlier). You don't really notice a spike in demand for Tundras because everyone who thought UW Stoneforge (the only legacy deck that really uses tundras, besides Bant Control decks like GWx Maverick) was good (basically, everybody) already has them. There might actually be a slight spike in demand for Seas right now because Tom Martell just won a Legacy GP with UWb Stoneforge... Anyway, Maverick reminded people that GW Stompy, a deck I've loved for years, is good and now they're buying up the required duals to play it. It's really that simple.
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MeddlingMage Member
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posted March 27, 2012 11:30 AM
I want Savannahs (an Heaths) for my Knight of the Reliquarys. In fact, I have a Tundra and a Plateau I am willing to move for some of these, and haven't had any serious bites...yet.~MM __________________ I am MeddlingMage...YOUR Motl Survivor 11 Champion, 2007 Captain N award winner, 2010 Marlboro award winner, and 2011 Champion Tournament Pick'em MOTL NCAA Bracket Challenge winner!CM Punk "OMG Kevin Nash WTF, thought he was dead, LOL" New keeper of the Logout button
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Zeckk Member
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posted March 31, 2012 06:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by Tranderas:
It's Maverick. It's a stupid name given to an old deck with a new Mystic-al creature. It's basically GW Stompy with stoneforge mystic. There's very little in terms of new tech here. Play the dudes, crush opponents, win games. Some people are adding blue for the counterspells- also not new (see bant counterbalance from 2008-2009 and other decks from even earlier). You don't really notice a spike in demand for Tundras because everyone who thought UW Stoneforge (the only legacy deck that really uses tundras, besides Bant Control decks like GWx Maverick) was good (basically, everybody) already has them. There might actually be a slight spike in demand for Seas right now because Tom Martell just won a Legacy GP with UWb Stoneforge... Anyway, Maverick reminded people that GW Stompy, a deck I've loved for years, is good and now they're buying up the required duals to play it. It's really that simple.
Old deck? What are you smoking? Maverick wasn't even in the discussion of a competitive legacy gauntlet until stoneforge mystic was printed, and even then it was hardly a top-tier deck until green sun's zenith was printed. One could even make the argument that Thalia is the latest piece that finally put maverick on the plus-side of overall meta performance. Maverick is one of the "newest" legacy decks in terms of the overall age of the crucial deck pieces. Only Mother of Runes, Swords, and the mana base really qualify as "old stuff". Scavenging Ooze has completely replaced goyf, and Aven Mindcensor is only 6 years old. Compare that with storm decks, goblins, Canadian Thresh (RUG Delver), etc.
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mm1983 Member
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posted March 31, 2012 09:33 AM
quote: Originally posted by Tranderas: There might actually be a slight spike in demand for Seas right now because Tom Martell just won a Legacy GP with UWb Stoneforge...
Could this result in Scrubland seeing the same price jump that Savannah did?
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thror Member
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posted March 31, 2012 09:38 AM
quote: Originally posted by mm1983: Could this result in Scrubland seeing the same price jump that Savannah did?
No, that deck played ONE scrubland. vs maveric playing the full 4x. scrubland shouldnt move much, if any. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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