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Topic: Good god what was I thinking?
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Devonin
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posted April 02, 2012 04:34 PM
        
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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
I guess you hate a lot of people. Maybe it's not the vast majority or even majority, but a lot of people do trade looking to increase the value of their collection (i.e., to profit from the trade), especially when they aren't trading for stuff they need. Again, if everyone limited trading to only the stuff they needed for their decks/sets/collection, it would probably be quite difficult to get much trading done at all. People being willing to trade for filler/trade stock helps trading as a whole, regardless of how much or little they value it at.
But if you're going to offer 1.50 for a 2.00 card so you can trade it since you don't need it now...and are going to insist on getting the full 2.00 value from it when you in turn trade it to someone else...you see how this goes?
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djcards
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posted April 02, 2012 04:44 PM
Thats it, Dev. At some point SOMEONE will have to take a loss if everyone tries to profit from a trade. If I ever chose to create a points list it would be based on relative cost +/- the requirement that I have for the card to play with. I personally try ONLY to break even when trading. This I find helps me in the long run because as long as I don't loose when I trade, the money that I buy cards with will continue to increase the value of my collection as a whole. Of course the trade that I made in the opening post was grossly NOT in my favor, and I believe I was putting a deck together and "needed" the bloodghasts which resulted in me deciding that it was a trade that I would do. Looking back, as I stated, it was absolutely nuts.
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Bagbokk
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posted April 02, 2012 04:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Devonin:
But if you're going to offer 1.50 for a 2.00 card so you can trade it since you don't need it now...and are going to insist on getting the full 2.00 value from it when you in turn trade it to someone else...you see how this goes?
There's a lot of people trading out there. A trades the card for 1.50 value to B. B finds someone that needs this card (C) and trades it for 2.00 value to him. A "loses" 0.50 in value but gets whatever he wanted. C gets the card he wanted at its normal value. B ends up with 0.50 in profit. It's up to A to determine whether getting whatever he wants is worth losing the value on that $2 card; if he feels that it's worth it, everyone wins. If he doesn't, then the trade doesn't go through and everyone is in the same place they were before and no one loses anything. But you'll naturally ask, C could have just directly gotten it from A, right? Not necessarily, because maybe he didn't have access to A (different markets), maybe he didn't have anything that A wanted in trade, or maybe A didn't want to trade with him because he had a point-based list with prices that A felt insulted about.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Bagbokk on April 02, 2012]
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djcards
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posted May 30, 2012 04:56 PM
Yeah, the whole Value vs "Value" issue:
Just because a card is worth something doesn't mean everyone values it at that. And just because something has a certain value, doesn't mean that everyone will "value" it at that price - for whatever reason: Standard Vs Eternal, "trading down" etc...
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daner
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posted May 31, 2012 12:14 AM
Most people, not just vendors/dealers, are going to try and nickle and dime the hell outta you reguardless. It's not often, if ever anymore, that I come across a trade thats like...."well we both got $40 in value staring us in the face...let's trade!" it's always like, "Well.....I want a bit more bc X is this and Y is that". I constantly feel like I'm trading $1.05 for a $1. I honestly don't care either. If you're doing this thinknig you're a big shot....you're not. No dealer is. You can make a living off of Magic, yes, but you can't make a GOOD LIVING. I don't know a lot of multi-millionaires who strickly sell MTG cards as a full-time job. The math is there if you want to grind, but my time is worth more than griding. When I trade...I trade bc I need the cards for a deck, not to turn a slight profit and put those pennies in my pocket. More often than not people ARE doing this...and it is annoying. Also, if some self-proclaimed "dealer" wants to prove me wrong about how well they live life thanks to Magic I'd love for you to prove me wrong....bc I know someone is going to jump on me for those comments. Just keep in mind living in a loft apt, driving a civic, making $40k a year is NOT what I would consider a "good living". Given the fact any idiot can go throw bricks together and make twice that most of you people who think you are dealers are not impressive financially. Like I said, you can grind out a living....but not a very good one. EDIT: Even the "big shots" like guys who own big online websites for cards....I bet they don't even have a high net worth. Even if they do most of their spare time is wasted on weekend trips to musty convention center basements.... TLDR ~ trading sucks anymore.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by daner on May 31, 2012]
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