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Originally posted by Devonin:
I You should have the option to propose buying points FROM ANOTHER USER.

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Come up with a way to introduce points that doesn't involve giving him money, and that pretty much stops all of the accusations of scamming.

My suggestion to him was to award new users 1 point per card listed as a have, up to a maximum of 500 or 1000 points. You would also deduct 1 point for any card removed from haves through non-trading. So if I list 1 card I get 1 point, and if I send it out, I keep my point and the value of the card is gained, but if I pull the card out without sending it, I'd lose the 1 point.

That way, filling the site with available cards is encouraged, you can't list cards, get a card with those points, then remove the cards again, and if you require that you must send out at least 1 card before you can get cards, simply filling the list with jank commons nobody would possibly ask for won't let you get a card.

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Originally posted by LaysanRail:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Devonin:
I You should have the option to propose buying points FROM ANOTHER USER.

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Originally posted by bstrom213:
I think you have a bug,

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Thanks for letting us know. Out of respect to MOTL, we've just created a thread for bugs over on our site's forums.

We'd love it if you could give us as much detail as possible on the dedicated forum there.

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Originally posted by LaysanRail:
Thanks for letting us know. Out of respect to MOTL, we've just created a thread for bugs over on our site's forums.

We'd love it if you could give us as much detail as possible on the dedicated forum there.

On that note, we've also started a thread for community discussion about the concept of earning PucaPoints for contributing to the site financially. All perspectives welcome.

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That's very cool. I would also appreciate it if you would stop spamming our members. If you want to advertise through MOTL, you can contact Leshrac for the costs involved in having an Ad.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
If you want to advertise through MOTL, you can contact Leshrac for the costs involved in having an Ad.

Thanks,
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If ya can get a hold of him that is. If mods have a difficult time trying to get a hold of him, good luck cuz it aint gonna be easy, if attainable.

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Originally posted by revenger:
If ya can get a hold of him that is. If mods have a difficult time trying to get a hold of him, good luck cuz it aint gonna be easy, if attainable.

~Revenger

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LoL; leshrac? Caring about something that is happening on this site? Money for advertisements? Excuse me, but I need to make a purchase on eudomania. And leshrac has shown (from a common user's perspective, not a mods as I do not see what goes on in the shadows) little to no interest in maintaining, updating, selling or having anything to do with this site at all.

Honestly, if any mod feels like they could answer, how many posts did Leshrac make on the recent dispute over D/C on the mods board? I would doubt it was more than 3, which I would bet are more posts than he has made in the past 3 years.

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Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:

LoL; leshrac? Caring about something that is happening on this site? Money for advertisements? Excuse me, but I need to make a purchase on eudomania. And leshrac has shown (from a common user's perspective, not a mods as I do not see what goes on in the shadows) little to no interest in maintaining, updating, selling or having anything to do with this site at all.

Honestly, if any mod feels like they could answer, how many posts did Leshrac make on the recent dispute over D/C on the mods board? I would doubt it was more than 3, which I would bet are more posts than he has made in the past 3 years.

I'll probably get my second warning for posting this as a 'spam' post. Whatever, it's my opinion and I am entitled to it.

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That's okay, like all things that are left unattended to they eventually die or be 1up'd and something better will take it's place - that's just life in general and he must have more important things on his plate. It's no offense to him, but the fact that this site is left unattended to in such a big way makes me think he might consider selling it or allowing others to take over to take it to the level it should have been at by now.

As if removing old banners takes more than 5 minutes... or upgrading this forum software to something somewhat contemporary and somewhat appealing to the eyes would be so difficult.... oh well. I suppose being someone from the web industry and a member makes the whole thing is just frustrating to watch.

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Originally posted by LaysanRail:
Thanks for letting us know. Out of respect to MOTL, we've just created a thread for bugs over on our site's forums.

We'd love it if you could give us as much detail as possible on the dedicated forum there.

On that note, we've also started a thread for community discussion about the concept of earning PucaPoints for contributing to the site financially. All perspectives welcome.

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Hey guys, new to the game of Magic and PucaTrade has been a savior to my noobish needs. First of all, unlike those who have a vocabulary as well as a memory for almost every card in the game, I bought a booster box (amongst starter kits) to kickstart my collection. The problem came about when I wanted to know A) what I had, and B) what it was worth! Using some of the great features on PucaTrade, I was quickly able to manage my collection by databasing all of the cards I owned and having a value placed against it. Infact, I organized my collection based off the value given (valuable got hard sleeved).

Although there have been a lot of good points brought up as to how and why PucaPoints matter, none of you with a decent collection need to worry about this. You already have value in all of your cards, and its you who decide whether or not you want to trade them off to others to then procure PucaPoints. Don't trade unless you need something, and with the features on PucaTrade, you can easily get the value of the card you want, trade off a few cards that equal that value, to make sure you have the points to then receive the card you want. Nothing special or difficult about it. And no 2.5% plus 1.50 listing fee to get it done. Great thing, is the website is built for the MTG enthusiast who doesn't always want to go to a card shop to get what he is looking for. Will you have to wait for your card? Well, would you have to wait for it to be shipped via Ebay? Even through a card shop to take the risk of them not having it and still having to look for it elsewhere.

The values set on the cards seem fair when compared to sites solely selling cards, but we all know that some cards are worth more to us than the value on a website shows. What to do then? Don't trade it. Its your choice. This is based around a community, and the idea that we have to fend off cheaters and scammers is somewhat disappointing to what the internet has done to the world of enthusiast. Is there a chance you could lose out here? Yes. Is there a chance you could lose out on Ebay? Yes. Big difference is, this website is only for MTG and Ebay is a monstrosity. Chances are the douchbags are there and not here, but I could be wrong. So what do to incase of a dispute? Well you have the owners ear right now. If I am sending out a couple cards worth 5 or 10 bucks I'll put it in the mail, hard plastic cover around the cards so they don't get banged up and slap a stamp on the envelope. If I was to send 50 or 60 dollars worth of cards in one shot, better believe I will be getting delivery confirmation... just wise insurance. You be the smart consumer and make the wise choices.

Bottom line, is yes, there are ways to cheat the system, and yes you might wind up holding a million pucapoints with no one sending you the cards you want. but always know, it was either through your own greed, or your own negligence that would get you to a situation stated above, and no site out there trading cards is going to protect you from yourself.

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Originally posted by xORIONx:
Hey guys, new to the game of Magic and PucaTrade has been a savior to my noobish needs. First of all, unlike those who have a vocabulary as well as a memory for almost every card in the game, I bought a booster box (amongst starter kits) to kickstart my collection. The problem came about when I wanted to know A) what I had, and B) what it was worth! Using some of the great features on PucaTrade, I was quickly able to manage my collection by databasing all of the cards I owned and having a value placed against it. Infact, I organized my collection based off the value given (valuable got hard sleeved).

Although there have been a lot of good points brought up as to how and why PucaPoints matter, none of you with a decent collection need to worry about this. You already have value in all of your cards, and its you who decide whether or not you want to trade them off to others to then procure PucaPoints. Don't trade unless you need something, and with the features on PucaTrade, you can easily get the value of the card you want, trade off a few cards that equal that value, to make sure you have the points to then receive the card you want. Nothing special or difficult about it. And no 2.5% plus 1.50 listing fee to get it done. Great thing, is the website is built for the MTG enthusiast who doesn't always want to go to a card shop to get what he is looking for. Will you have to wait for your card? Well, would you have to wait for it to be shipped via Ebay? Even through a card shop to take the risk of them not having it and still having to look for it elsewhere.

The values set on the cards seem fair when compared to sites solely selling cards, but we all know that some cards are worth more to us than the value on a website shows. What to do then? Don't trade it. Its your choice. This is based around a community, and the idea that we have to fend off cheaters and scammers is somewhat disappointing to what the internet has done to the world of enthusiast. Is there a chance you could lose out here? Yes. Is there a chance you could lose out on Ebay? Yes. Big difference is, this website is only for MTG and Ebay is a monstrosity. Chances are the douchbags are there and not here, but I could be wrong. So what do to incase of a dispute? Well you have the owners ear right now. If I am sending out a couple cards worth 5 or 10 bucks I'll put it in the mail, hard plastic cover around the cards so they don't get banged up and slap a stamp on the envelope. If I was to send 50 or 60 dollars worth of cards in one shot, better believe I will be getting delivery confirmation... just wise insurance. You be the smart consumer and make the wise choices.

Bottom line, is yes, there are ways to cheat the system, and yes you might wind up holding a million pucapoints with no one sending you the cards you want. but always know, it was either through your own greed, or your own negligence that would get you to a situation stated above, and no site out there trading cards is going to protect you from yourself.

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Originally posted by xORIONx:
Hey guys, new to the game of Magic and PucaTrade has been a savior to my noobish needs. First of all, unlike those who have a vocabulary as well as a memory for almost every card in the game, I bought a booster box (amongst starter kits) to kickstart my collection. The problem came about when I wanted to know A) what I had, and B) what it was worth! Using some of the great features on PucaTrade, I was quickly able to manage my collection by databasing all of the cards I owned and having a value placed against it. Infact, I organized my collection based off the value given (valuable got hard sleeved).

Although there have been a lot of good points brought up as to how and why PucaPoints matter, none of you with a decent collection need to worry about this. You already have value in all of your cards, and its you who decide whether or not you want to trade them off to others to then procure PucaPoints. Don't trade unless you need something, and with the features on PucaTrade, you can easily get the value of the card you want, trade off a few cards that equal that value, to make sure you have the points to then receive the card you want. Nothing special or difficult about it. And no 2.5% plus 1.50 listing fee to get it done. Great thing, is the website is built for the MTG enthusiast who doesn't always want to go to a card shop to get what he is looking for. Will you have to wait for your card? Well, would you have to wait for it to be shipped via Ebay? Even through a card shop to take the risk of them not having it and still having to look for it elsewhere.

The values set on the cards seem fair when compared to sites solely selling cards, but we all know that some cards are worth more to us than the value on a website shows. What to do then? Don't trade it. Its your choice. This is based around a community, and the idea that we have to fend off cheaters and scammers is somewhat disappointing to what the internet has done to the world of enthusiast. Is there a chance you could lose out here? Yes. Is there a chance you could lose out on Ebay? Yes. Big difference is, this website is only for MTG and Ebay is a monstrosity. Chances are the douchbags are there and not here, but I could be wrong. So what do to incase of a dispute? Well you have the owners ear right now. If I am sending out a couple cards worth 5 or 10 bucks I'll put it in the mail, hard plastic cover around the cards so they don't get banged up and slap a stamp on the envelope. If I was to send 50 or 60 dollars worth of cards in one shot, better believe I will be getting delivery confirmation... just wise insurance. You be the smart consumer and make the wise choices.

Bottom line, is yes, there are ways to cheat the system, and yes you might wind up holding a million pucapoints with no one sending you the cards you want. but always know, it was either through your own greed, or your own negligence that would get you to a situation stated above, and no site out there trading cards is going to protect you from yourself.

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First post on MOTL? You guys know each other or something?

Like, I get the idea, it seems cool and all, but if I was starting to trade, I wouldn't trade away my cards in exchange for points.

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Originally posted by Mr.C:
First post on MOTL? You guys know each other or something?

Like, I get the idea, it seems cool and all, but if I was starting to trade, I wouldn't trade away my cards in exchange for points.

It's one of those things that only work if a ton of people are on board. Kinda rubs me the wrong way, for some reason. No offense.

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Heh, yeah, having someone come on and shill for you DEFINITELY makes you look bad. After that post, I wouldn't join your site if you paid me.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
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I like the interface so far, although when I bulk added cards I hit the submit button and nothing seemed to happen. I clicked it again, then checked my haves. Everything doubled! This was definitely user error, but it seems like something people will do. I didn't see any indication of yes your stuff has been added, or anything like that. Some people are clickers.

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Originally posted by hilikuS:
I like the interface so far, although when I bulk added cards I hit the submit button and nothing seemed to happen. I clicked it again, then checked my haves. Everything doubled! This was definitely user error, but it seems like something people will do.

Other than that it has been a good experience thus far.

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Thanks for the info. I've had some other feedback about this same issue and that's definitely something we'll be fixing before we re-open registration.

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Originally posted by OoberLlama:
What measures, if any, are in place to prevent someone from making a bogus account, "sending" this bogus account some cards, then logging into the bogus account and marking the cards as received? I think things like this are the biggest reason why I'm hesitant to use the site at the moment.

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Since all new users start off with 0 points, it wouldn't be possible to create multiple accounts and swap fake cards between them to any net gain or loss of points, since the new account wouldn't have any points to give.

It's true that the initial 200 beta-testers have all been issued 1,000 points so that trading can begin, but in all likelihood, nothing like that will happen again.

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Originally posted by LaysanRail:

This is a great question. Let me see if I can clarify:

Since all new users start off with 0 points, it wouldn't be possible to create multiple accounts and swap fake cards between them to any net gain or loss of points, since the new account wouldn't have any points to give.

It's true that the initial 200 beta-testers have all been issued 1,000 points so that trading can begin, but in all likelihood, nothing like that will happen again.

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So you've issued $2000 worth of vouchers for free, and those vouchers are use to claim goods from future members!?

This is getting worst by the minute.

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Originally posted by Kyosukee:
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1,000 pt = $10.

200 beta user x $10 = $2000.

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What's to stop the "beta testers", that you've just given a free $10 on your site, from doing exactly what OoberLlama said? Where'd ya get the "Beta Testers" from anyway? Or how about them getting $10 in cards for their "PucaPoints" and just leaving?

Thanks,
Jazaray

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There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.

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Originally posted by LaysanRail:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by OoberLlama:
What measures, if any, are in place to prevent someone from making a bogus account, "sending" this bogus account some cards, then logging into the bogus account and marking the cards as received? I think things like this are the biggest reason why I'm hesitant to use the site at the moment.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
What's to stop the "beta testers", that you've just given a free $10 on your site, from doing exactly what OoberLlama said? Where'd ya get the "Beta Testers" from anyway? Or how about them getting $10 in cards for their "PucaPoints" and just leaving?

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I also want to point out that this is overwhelmingly not the case, since there are currently 205 trades in progress after only 3 days. People are not just taking what they can get and leaving--they're actively participating in a new way to trade.

Where did they come from? They came from MOTL.