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MagicPatty
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posted September 26, 2012 07:01 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for MagicPatty Click Here to Email MagicPatty Send a private message to MagicPatty Click to send MagicPatty an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View MagicPatty's Have/Want ListView MagicPatty's Have/Want List
Also, with the Alpha hoarders, how many of those rares were printed vs. how many even exist today? I don't know the numbers, perhaps someone could weigh in on how many of each alpha rare was printed. Twenty years later I think it is safe to assume at least a third of those are gone. Consider how many of those that may have had Alpha cards threw them out when they had lost interest and cleaned up their dorm, moved out of mom's house, had a house fire, car wreck with cards in the trunk that were destroyed, flood damage, etc...

My head is telling me that something like 10 thousand of each alpha rare was printed (though it might be just 8000). Let's assume that only 5000 still exist and the Animate Wall guy has 1200... that's a legitimate chunk!

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mrieff
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quote:
Originally posted by MagicPatty:
Also, with the Alpha hoarders, how many of those rares were printed vs. how many even exist today? I don't know the numbers, perhaps someone could weigh in on how many of each alpha rare was printed. Twenty years later I think it is safe to assume at least a third of those are gone. Consider how many of those that may have had Alpha cards threw them out when they had lost interest and cleaned up their dorm, moved out of mom's house, had a house fire, car wreck with cards in the trunk that were destroyed, flood damage, etc...

My head is telling me that something like 10 thousand of each alpha rare was printed (though it might be just 8000). Let's assume that only 5000 still exist and the Animate Wall guy has 1200... that's a legitimate chunk!




10 thousand? How about a tenth of that and you're close to the real number.

http://www.crystalkeep.com/magic/misc/rarity-info.php

 
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posted September 26, 2012 09:02 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for I3Iood Click Here to Email I3Iood Send a private message to I3Iood Click to send I3Iood an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
There was 1100 of each alpha rare printed.

Alot of the collectors of single alpha rares started with a competition on magiclibrarities. They were going for 5% of the print run (55) of the rare.

 
Mr.C
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quote:
Originally posted by I3Iood:
There was 1100 of each alpha rare printed.

Alot of the collectors of single alpha rares started with a competition on magiclibrarities. They were going for 5% of the print run (55) of the rare.


iirc it started with 1% of Uncommons.

 
MagicPatty
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Wow, I was waaaay off, so then a safe assumption would be that there are no more than what... 700 of each left? if that?

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coasterdude84
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posted September 26, 2012 10:43 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for coasterdude84 Click Here to Email coasterdude84 Send a private message to coasterdude84 Click to send coasterdude84 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View coasterdude84's Trade Auction or SaleView coasterdude84's Trade Auction or Sale
It's impossible to say. You have to consider that a card exists in one of the following possible states:

1) Unopened. Probably very few Alphas like this, but there are certainly a handful that are still in their starter decks/packs.

2) Destroyed. Fire, garbage, whatever.

3) Stashed and forgotten in a closet. Effectively the same as destroyed, only someone will probably find them in 60 years like they do with old baseball cards.

4) In collections. This is different from number 3 in that the owners are aware of them, and while they may not know the precise value, know they want to hang onto them. Known, but off market.

5) Available on the market. Ebay, Troll and Toad, local shops, etc.

The problem is, you could only ever know some of #5 and a small portion of #4. The rest are all random; you couldn't even make an educated guess on them. For example, I take note of all the Alpha Zombie Masters that sell on ebay, I check the population reports for things like PSA and BGS, I'm aware of what vendors have for sale, and I pay attention to who around here has them in their collections. If I believe what everyone actually has what they've claimed, I can account for a little more than 8% of them. That's it. The remaining 92% is completely unknowable. I assume most of it is in collections, but I really have nothing on which to base that.

 
implode
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This thread is making me feel concerned...as I have an expensive collection. Maybe a fire safe would be a good idea...

Oh and the magic librarities link for those who care:
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5371

The real question, is what % of dragon population do I own :P
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v244/implode311/Dragon%20Album/?start=all

[Edited 4 times, lastly by implode on September 26, 2012]

 
Drexus
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posted September 26, 2012 02:23 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for Drexus Click Here to Email Drexus Send a private message to Drexus Click to send Drexus an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Does it really have to be a safe though?

It's not like anyone is going to steal it. Surely there are fire-proof boxes (say made out of asbestos) available somewhere? I'm sure it would work out cheaper than a safe. Then just pop your cards in there and voila!

 
implode
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quote:
Originally posted by Drexus:
Does it really have to be a safe though?

It's not like anyone is going to steal it. Surely there are fire-proof boxes (say made out of asbestos) available somewhere? I'm sure it would work out cheaper than a safe. Then just pop your cards in there and voila!



Cards being targeted is not as uncommon as you might think. I've heard accounts of burglaries where cards were stolen on this website. NOT just from store fronts, but actual houses. Also from cars.

 
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posted September 27, 2012 04:43 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for MagixDK Click Here to Email MagixDK Send a private message to MagixDK Click to send MagixDK an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
i have 2 alpha zombie master, and just sold one locally in denmark.

thats 3 more you can account for

 
coasterdude84
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quote:
Originally posted by MagixDK:
i have 2 alpha zombie master, and just sold one locally in denmark.

thats 3 more you can account for


Cool! Any chance you'll part with the other 2?

I keep higher end stuff in one of these. Also is nice because if someone breaks in, it's a little more of a pain to make off with a locked box than just a handful of cards. I also keep the box and key hidden in different parts of the house.

 
isetfire
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posted September 27, 2012 02:17 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for isetfire Click Here to Email isetfire Send a private message to isetfire Click to send isetfire an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by coasterdude84:

I keep higher end stuff in one of these. Also is nice because if someone breaks in, it's a little more of a pain to make off with a locked box than just a handful of cards. I also keep the box and key hidden in different parts of the house.


I use the same safe for stuff I access often but is valuable and hard to find (t1 decks, beta, Russian foils, etc) and a safe deposit box for collectables (summer, graded stuff). My downstairs neighbors like the pot so I always fear a fire. I like knowing my cards will be safe when I'm not home. If I am home, the safe has a handle so it goes in one hand and my dtr goes in the other as we run out

 
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posted September 27, 2012 11:16 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for twinkletwinkle Send a private message to twinkletwinkle Click to send twinkletwinkle an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
1100 of each alpha rare?

That's it?

 

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