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twinkletwinkle
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posted September 23, 2012 03:08 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for twinkletwinkle Send a private message to twinkletwinkle Click to send twinkletwinkle an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
So I lost a huge collection of alphas/betas and some legends in a fire. My arabians were spared due to being in a different location. When I say "lost" I mean completely incinerated.

I lost a complete beta set (minus power 9), three partially complete alpha sets (everything alphabetically starting at A-Animate Wall to E-Elvish Archers).

My collection was worth a ton of money, but I also got a nice insurance settlement and am trying to get it all back.

So here I am and trying to get it all back.

1. Does anyone have any suggestions as to good ways to get bulk alphas and betas at reasonable prices (want rare and uncommons)?
2. I noticed some alphas are crazy expensive on Ebay and with dealers. What's the deal?

 
Mr.C
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Sorry for the loss.

That said, you won't be able to get A/B cards in Bulk. Prices for pack fresh Alpha have increased substantially in the past six months or so.

 
twinkletwinkle
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posted September 23, 2012 04:05 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for twinkletwinkle Send a private message to twinkletwinkle Click to send twinkletwinkle an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
The last six months? Why?
 
coasterdude84
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posted September 23, 2012 04:43 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for coasterdude84 Click Here to Email coasterdude84 Send a private message to coasterdude84 Click to send coasterdude84 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View coasterdude84's Trade Auction or SaleView coasterdude84's Trade Auction or Sale
I moved my answer from your other topic here, as it makes more sense to just have one of these going.

Alphas (and Betas for that matter to a lesser extent) have steadily risen since being printed. So in that sense, yes, they are a bit higher than they were 6 months ago, but I haven't noticed an unusual spike overall. Alpha prices are collector driven, so increased values means either more collectors in the market or they have more disposable income.

 
oneofchaos
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posted September 23, 2012 05:03 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for oneofchaos Click Here to Email oneofchaos Send a private message to oneofchaos Click to send oneofchaos an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
On a similar note, is there a special insurance you purchase for your cards to prevent theft/fire/etc from taking them from you?
 
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posted September 23, 2012 06:07 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for dhamil3 Click Here to Email dhamil3 Send a private message to dhamil3 Click to send dhamil3 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Ok, I've dealt with insurance companies on matters of reimbursing you.

The first thing you do is find the highest price that you can buy them from retail. I suggest going on Troll and Toad and compiling a list of everything that was destroyed. Do not go on ebay. You're just doing their work for them. You pay insurance for a reason. I know you want to look for the cheapest price and just get your stuff back, but the insurance company doesn't give a **** about your stuff. Provide a detailed list from troll and toad and hand it over. They'll cut you a check. Then, go looking for the cheapest stuff you can. Anything you have left over is lagniappe. Maybe put it towards a fire proof safe for your A/B's.

If you give them the list of I found it cheapest here they will try and **** you in the ass. That's what they're good at. Also, if they try and give you anything less that what you gave them then you need to tell them they can find you duplicates of all your cards. They'll give you whats on the list if you stick to your guns.

 
valorale
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posted September 23, 2012 07:43 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for valorale Click Here to Email valorale Send a private message to valorale Click to send valorale an Instant MessageVisit valorale's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
How do you prove you own this stuff? I assume some sort of documentation is necessary beforehand. What if you continually add new cards to the collection?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by twinkletwinkle:
So I lost a huge collection of alphas/betas and some legends in a fire. My arabians were spared due to being in a different location. When I say "lost" I mean completely incinerated.

I lost a complete beta set (minus power 9), three partially complete alpha sets (everything alphabetically starting at A-Animate Wall to E-Elvish Archers).

My collection was worth a ton of money, but I also got a nice insurance settlement and am trying to get it all back.

So here I am and trying to get it all back.

1. Does anyone have any suggestions as to good ways to get bulk alphas and betas at reasonable prices (want rare and uncommons)?
2. I noticed some alphas are crazy expensive on Ebay and with dealers. What's the deal?


Define reasonable---very hard to find alpha/beta cards these days. If you own these cards you should know as much.

1) The Cards are scarce due to lack of production and when they were produced.

2) Some cards people greedily collect for number. I know someone who collects Dwarven Demo teams for an example, and they own a % of the production run. In fact I think more then a dozen of these people exist for certain cards, this leads to increased prices on seemingly junky cards.

 
twinkletwinkle
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posted September 23, 2012 11:53 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for twinkletwinkle Send a private message to twinkletwinkle Click to send twinkletwinkle an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I just looked up Alpha Animate Wall. It's a $140+ card in well taken care of condition, which just KILLS me because I definitely had at least 10 of those and they were all destoyed in the fire. I really regret not keeping everything in a safe deposit box. I kept my beta power 9 and duals at a bank because I thought those were the most valuable, but I stopped keeping track of things for the last 6 years or so.

I almost don't even want to price out the value of the other cards.

 
MagicPatty
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I don't know much about which cards people collect and horde from the old sets, but I am positive that Animate Wall is one of the them.

That said, someone asked earlier and I am curious as well... do you have to provide some form of documentation or proof that you did indeed own these cards. They would have to be covered to get an insurance check for them, so how do they go about recording them for coverage?

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coasterdude84
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posted September 24, 2012 08:24 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for coasterdude84 Click Here to Email coasterdude84 Send a private message to coasterdude84 Click to send coasterdude84 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View coasterdude84's Trade Auction or SaleView coasterdude84's Trade Auction or Sale
I know for sure that Animate Wall, Deathlace, Fungusaur, and Zombie Master are collected. Dwarven Demo Team was, not sure if it's still active though. Pirate Ship was at one point as well, but I think the collector liquidated, as they seem to be pretty available. A number of people collect random commons from Alpha (such as Weakness), but I'm not aware of anyone having enough to make an impact on the price of those.
 
twinkletwinkle
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posted September 24, 2012 10:57 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for twinkletwinkle Send a private message to twinkletwinkle Click to send twinkletwinkle an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
That makes sense. I remember years ago I was trying to sell a whole bunch of my alphas and betas as a lot and I got an email from a guy who only wanted my Alpha Animate Walls and Alpha Laces.

I never ended up selling everything, but it always stuck out in my mind that the guy only wanted those cards. I insisted on selling it all as a lot, but he really only wanted those cards. I can't recall for sure, but I think he offered around $40 per card which was a lot at the time, but I really wanted to sell everything as a package.

Now I wish I had! Instead of losing most of my cards in the fire, I'd have gotten some cash for some of them at least.

Why in the world would someone collect a ton of just a few cards? That makes no sense.

quote:
Originally posted by coasterdude84:
I know for sure that Animate Wall, Deathlace, Fungusaur, and Zombie Master are collected. Dwarven Demo Team was, not sure if it's still active though. Pirate Ship was at one point as well, but I think the collector liquidated, as they seem to be pretty available. A number of people collect random commons from Alpha (such as Weakness), but I'm not aware of anyone having enough to make an impact on the price of those.

 
Timmyhill
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posted September 25, 2012 02:27 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Timmyhill Click Here to Email Timmyhill Send a private message to Timmyhill Click to send Timmyhill an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View Timmyhill's Have/Want ListView Timmyhill's Have/Want List
Who would collect Deathlaces its such a bad card.

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10 IE
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MagixDK
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posted September 25, 2012 02:52 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for MagixDK Click Here to Email MagixDK Send a private message to MagixDK Click to send MagixDK an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Timmyhill:
Who would collect Deathlaces its such a bad card.



collecting is more about emotion/compulsion and less about logic

 
Bagbokk
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OP - I've got a stack of probably ~500 alpha/beta stuff left, e-mail me if you're interested. I can probably get you a list, it ranges from mid-range stuff (alpha illusionary mask/vesuvan doppelganger) to maybe 50ish beta rares to a large pile of beta commons (like probably 300+).



[Edited 1 times, lastly by Bagbokk on September 25, 2012]

 
coasterdude84
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quote:
Originally posted by Timmyhill:
Who would collect Deathlaces its such a bad card.

Same thing with Zombie Master, must be a couple of real morons.

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01 Unlimited
04 Revised
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coasterdude84
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@twinkle- hopefully you can get some insurance money for your loss. From there then, as others have suggested, you can buy a lot of the stuff back off ebay, though if you were considering selling it anyway at one point, perhaps consider it sold and just sell what survived? It's up to you though, but hopefully you can get something for it, as that really is a devastating loss.
 
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posted September 25, 2012 10:58 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for dragonstout83 Click Here to Email dragonstout83 Send a private message to dragonstout83 Click to send dragonstout83 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by MagixDK:
collecting is more about emotion/compulsion and less about logic

Hint: *look at the sig*

That's one of my big nightmares, losing my Cube and collection of one of every Magic card in a fire. And my comic collection. At least my Cube and beta binder, I could quickly grab and carry out if I were home at the time; no such luck with all that other bulky stuff.

 
Myy
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quote:
Originally posted by dragonstout83:
Hint: *look at the sig*


lol, I completely missed that.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by Myy on September 25, 2012]

 
Timmyhill
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I picked out a fire proof safe back when I first started playing Magic but then my collection couldn't justify me spending 2-3k for it. But now that my collection is just over 15k this thread is a good reminder that I should look at it again. Specially since I'm a hoarder and have a soft spot ofr Alpha cards I'd hate to have to tell other collectors I lost them.

So any one have any suggestions on fire proof safes? I know a Saftey Deposit box is prolly best for the really expensive stuff but I've hunting down cards to build a playset of every set for years now and I'd just hate to have to start over.

 
twinkletwinkle
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posted September 25, 2012 04:49 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for twinkletwinkle Send a private message to twinkletwinkle Click to send twinkletwinkle an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
OK, so someone is definitely hoarding some Alpha cards. So far in this thread someone has come forward for Zombie Master and Deathlace. :-)

The question is.....who is hoarding Alpha Animate Wall and how many do they have?

 
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posted September 25, 2012 05:26 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for MTDetermine Click Here to Email MTDetermine Send a private message to MTDetermine Click to send MTDetermine an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
On hoarding those unplayable Alpha cards, you need to consider more of the emotional part.

The hoarders likely started out hoarding the cards simply because they like the card, the picture, or just think the name is plain funny. At that time, those cards are probably $0.50, or even less. So the hoarders think it is pretty harmless to set aside a few bucks to start a collection.

After a few years, Alpha cards started to rise in value. A few more bucks but still affordable so they continue buying. After more years, they reaches the $10-20 range and you guys will start thinking "It is no longer cheap, so the hoarders should stop buying, right?".......

Sadly, you are wrong. When something is steadily increasing in value, the collector/hoarder will have strong interest in continuing buying it, as

1) He simply like the card in the first place
2) The continued increase in value makes him feel good, that he has good foresight...........

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Timmyhill:
So any one have any suggestions on fire proof safes?

Find a local locksmith/safe store. They should have what you need, at least to look over.

Also, if you're worried about theft make sure you spring for the kind that you can bolt into your floor to keep someone from just coming in with a hand truck and walking out with your stuff.

 
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if your collection is 15.000, buying a 3.000 dollar safe seems like a really expensive insurance?

my stuff is worth a couple of times that, and im relying on my insurance that cost me just a couple of hundred a year.

 
Timmyhill
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I don't know if I will spend 3k on one thats just what I remember the one I looked at costing when I looked it up about 10 years ago. I'm assuming a gun safe in the 500 to 1000 range would work just fine.

As for the insurance I have the extra protection added but I think the idea of the safe gives better peace of mind. Also it's not just about getting the cards replaced its about persevereing them, it would just stink to lose 3-5% of the print run of an Alpha card.

 

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