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Topic: Lost My Cards In A Fire
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twinkletwinkle New Member
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posted September 23, 2012 03:08 PM
So I lost a huge collection of alphas/betas and some legends in a fire. My arabians were spared due to being in a different location. When I say "lost" I mean completely incinerated.I lost a complete beta set (minus power 9), three partially complete alpha sets (everything alphabetically starting at A-Animate Wall to E-Elvish Archers). My collection was worth a ton of money, but I also got a nice insurance settlement and am trying to get it all back. So here I am and trying to get it all back. 1. Does anyone have any suggestions as to good ways to get bulk alphas and betas at reasonable prices (want rare and uncommons)? 2. I noticed some alphas are crazy expensive on Ebay and with dealers. What's the deal?
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Mr.C Member
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posted September 23, 2012 03:41 PM
Sorry for the loss.That said, you won't be able to get A/B cards in Bulk. Prices for pack fresh Alpha have increased substantially in the past six months or so.
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twinkletwinkle New Member
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posted September 23, 2012 04:05 PM
The last six months? Why?
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coasterdude84 Member
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posted September 23, 2012 04:43 PM
I moved my answer from your other topic here, as it makes more sense to just have one of these going.Alphas (and Betas for that matter to a lesser extent) have steadily risen since being printed. So in that sense, yes, they are a bit higher than they were 6 months ago, but I haven't noticed an unusual spike overall. Alpha prices are collector driven, so increased values means either more collectors in the market or they have more disposable income.
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oneofchaos Member
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posted September 23, 2012 05:03 PM
On a similar note, is there a special insurance you purchase for your cards to prevent theft/fire/etc from taking them from you?
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dhamil3 Member
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posted September 23, 2012 06:07 PM
Ok, I've dealt with insurance companies on matters of reimbursing you.The first thing you do is find the highest price that you can buy them from retail. I suggest going on Troll and Toad and compiling a list of everything that was destroyed. Do not go on ebay. You're just doing their work for them. You pay insurance for a reason. I know you want to look for the cheapest price and just get your stuff back, but the insurance company doesn't give a **** about your stuff. Provide a detailed list from troll and toad and hand it over. They'll cut you a check. Then, go looking for the cheapest stuff you can. Anything you have left over is lagniappe. Maybe put it towards a fire proof safe for your A/B's. If you give them the list of I found it cheapest here they will try and **** you in the ass. That's what they're good at. Also, if they try and give you anything less that what you gave them then you need to tell them they can find you duplicates of all your cards. They'll give you whats on the list if you stick to your guns.
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valorale Member
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posted September 23, 2012 07:43 PM
How do you prove you own this stuff? I assume some sort of documentation is necessary beforehand. What if you continually add new cards to the collection?
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implode Member
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posted September 23, 2012 08:25 PM
quote: Originally posted by twinkletwinkle: So I lost a huge collection of alphas/betas and some legends in a fire. My arabians were spared due to being in a different location. When I say "lost" I mean completely incinerated.I lost a complete beta set (minus power 9), three partially complete alpha sets (everything alphabetically starting at A-Animate Wall to E-Elvish Archers). My collection was worth a ton of money, but I also got a nice insurance settlement and am trying to get it all back. So here I am and trying to get it all back. 1. Does anyone have any suggestions as to good ways to get bulk alphas and betas at reasonable prices (want rare and uncommons)? 2. I noticed some alphas are crazy expensive on Ebay and with dealers. What's the deal?
Define reasonable---very hard to find alpha/beta cards these days. If you own these cards you should know as much. 1) The Cards are scarce due to lack of production and when they were produced. 2) Some cards people greedily collect for number. I know someone who collects Dwarven Demo teams for an example, and they own a % of the production run. In fact I think more then a dozen of these people exist for certain cards, this leads to increased prices on seemingly junky cards.
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twinkletwinkle New Member
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posted September 23, 2012 11:53 PM
I just looked up Alpha Animate Wall. It's a $140+ card in well taken care of condition, which just KILLS me because I definitely had at least 10 of those and they were all destoyed in the fire. I really regret not keeping everything in a safe deposit box. I kept my beta power 9 and duals at a bank because I thought those were the most valuable, but I stopped keeping track of things for the last 6 years or so.I almost don't even want to price out the value of the other cards.
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MagicPatty Member
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posted September 24, 2012 05:55 AM
I don't know much about which cards people collect and horde from the old sets, but I am positive that Animate Wall is one of the them.That said, someone asked earlier and I am curious as well... do you have to provide some form of documentation or proof that you did indeed own these cards. They would have to be covered to get an insurance check for them, so how do they go about recording them for coverage? __________________ Starting the bulk rare collection all over! Send them my way!
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coasterdude84 Member
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posted September 24, 2012 08:24 AM
I know for sure that Animate Wall, Deathlace, Fungusaur, and Zombie Master are collected. Dwarven Demo Team was, not sure if it's still active though. Pirate Ship was at one point as well, but I think the collector liquidated, as they seem to be pretty available. A number of people collect random commons from Alpha (such as Weakness), but I'm not aware of anyone having enough to make an impact on the price of those.
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twinkletwinkle New Member
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posted September 24, 2012 10:57 PM
That makes sense. I remember years ago I was trying to sell a whole bunch of my alphas and betas as a lot and I got an email from a guy who only wanted my Alpha Animate Walls and Alpha Laces.I never ended up selling everything, but it always stuck out in my mind that the guy only wanted those cards. I insisted on selling it all as a lot, but he really only wanted those cards. I can't recall for sure, but I think he offered around $40 per card which was a lot at the time, but I really wanted to sell everything as a package. Now I wish I had! Instead of losing most of my cards in the fire, I'd have gotten some cash for some of them at least. Why in the world would someone collect a ton of just a few cards? That makes no sense. quote: Originally posted by coasterdude84: I know for sure that Animate Wall, Deathlace, Fungusaur, and Zombie Master are collected. Dwarven Demo Team was, not sure if it's still active though. Pirate Ship was at one point as well, but I think the collector liquidated, as they seem to be pretty available. A number of people collect random commons from Alpha (such as Weakness), but I'm not aware of anyone having enough to make an impact on the price of those.
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Timmyhill Member
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posted September 25, 2012 02:27 AM
Who would collect Deathlaces its such a bad card.
__________________ Deathlace count 26 Alpha 015 Beta 10 IE 14 CE 01 Unl 01 Rev 30 4th
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MagixDK Member
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posted September 25, 2012 02:52 AM
quote: Originally posted by Timmyhill: Who would collect Deathlaces its such a bad card.
collecting is more about emotion/compulsion and less about logic
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Bagbokk Member
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posted September 25, 2012 04:45 AM
OP - I've got a stack of probably ~500 alpha/beta stuff left, e-mail me if you're interested. I can probably get you a list, it ranges from mid-range stuff (alpha illusionary mask/vesuvan doppelganger) to maybe 50ish beta rares to a large pile of beta commons (like probably 300+).
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Bagbokk on September 25, 2012]
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coasterdude84 Member
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posted September 25, 2012 06:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by Timmyhill: Who would collect Deathlaces its such a bad card.
Same thing with Zombie Master, must be a couple of real morons. __________________ Zombie Master Count: 56 Alpha 03 Beta 01 Unlimited 04 Revised 01 Summer/Edgar 04 4th 03 6th
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coasterdude84 Member
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posted September 25, 2012 06:41 AM
@twinkle- hopefully you can get some insurance money for your loss. From there then, as others have suggested, you can buy a lot of the stuff back off ebay, though if you were considering selling it anyway at one point, perhaps consider it sold and just sell what survived? It's up to you though, but hopefully you can get something for it, as that really is a devastating loss.
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dragonstout83 Member
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posted September 25, 2012 10:58 AM
quote: Originally posted by MagixDK: collecting is more about emotion/compulsion and less about logic
Hint: *look at the sig* That's one of my big nightmares, losing my Cube and collection of one of every Magic card in a fire. And my comic collection. At least my Cube and beta binder, I could quickly grab and carry out if I were home at the time; no such luck with all that other bulky stuff.
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Myy Member
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posted September 25, 2012 01:30 PM
quote: Originally posted by dragonstout83: Hint: *look at the sig*
lol, I completely missed that.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Myy on September 25, 2012]
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Timmyhill Member
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posted September 25, 2012 03:49 PM
I picked out a fire proof safe back when I first started playing Magic but then my collection couldn't justify me spending 2-3k for it. But now that my collection is just over 15k this thread is a good reminder that I should look at it again. Specially since I'm a hoarder and have a soft spot ofr Alpha cards I'd hate to have to tell other collectors I lost them. So any one have any suggestions on fire proof safes? I know a Saftey Deposit box is prolly best for the really expensive stuff but I've hunting down cards to build a playset of every set for years now and I'd just hate to have to start over.
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twinkletwinkle New Member
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posted September 25, 2012 04:49 PM
OK, so someone is definitely hoarding some Alpha cards. So far in this thread someone has come forward for Zombie Master and Deathlace. :-)The question is.....who is hoarding Alpha Animate Wall and how many do they have?
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MTDetermine Member
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posted September 25, 2012 05:26 PM
On hoarding those unplayable Alpha cards, you need to consider more of the emotional part. The hoarders likely started out hoarding the cards simply because they like the card, the picture, or just think the name is plain funny. At that time, those cards are probably $0.50, or even less. So the hoarders think it is pretty harmless to set aside a few bucks to start a collection. After a few years, Alpha cards started to rise in value. A few more bucks but still affordable so they continue buying. After more years, they reaches the $10-20 range and you guys will start thinking "It is no longer cheap, so the hoarders should stop buying, right?"....... Sadly, you are wrong. When something is steadily increasing in value, the collector/hoarder will have strong interest in continuing buying it, as 1) He simply like the card in the first place 2) The continued increase in value makes him feel good, that he has good foresight...........
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CubFan81 Member
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posted September 25, 2012 08:32 PM
quote: Originally posted by Timmyhill: So any one have any suggestions on fire proof safes?
Find a local locksmith/safe store. They should have what you need, at least to look over. Also, if you're worried about theft make sure you spring for the kind that you can bolt into your floor to keep someone from just coming in with a hand truck and walking out with your stuff.
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MagixDK Member
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posted September 25, 2012 11:03 PM
if your collection is 15.000, buying a 3.000 dollar safe seems like a really expensive insurance?my stuff is worth a couple of times that, and im relying on my insurance that cost me just a couple of hundred a year.
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Timmyhill Member
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posted September 26, 2012 02:33 AM
I don't know if I will spend 3k on one thats just what I remember the one I looked at costing when I looked it up about 10 years ago. I'm assuming a gun safe in the 500 to 1000 range would work just fine. As for the insurance I have the extra protection added but I think the idea of the safe gives better peace of mind. Also it's not just about getting the cards replaced its about persevereing them, it would just stink to lose 3-5% of the print run of an Alpha card.
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