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Zeckk Member	posted October 25, 2012 06:27 PM quote: Originally posted by Myy: This kinda bothers me, because I wish they'd just plain say how flawed that reserved list really is. karn and Sliver Queen is fine because nobody really cares... but snow covered duals. Nop, out of the question. I believe we'll eventually see these or a similar item, but that's for a whole other topic. neways, just kinda shows how they don't really take the reserved list too seriously. Read forsythe's article on modern masters - he all but takes a steaming dump on the reserve list, and in previous interviews he's shown plenty of antipathy towards the reserve list. Unfortunately, the argument for doing away with the reserve list gets weaker and weaker, as long as new sets continue to sell in massive numbers, and their efforts towards making modern a popular format continue to have success.
Volcanon Member	posted October 25, 2012 06:38 PM I'm miffed that this is going to be so absurdly rare, as it's likely the one way I will ever be able to get a hold of certain cards in new face, and they will all be hideously overpriced. Why would wizards shortprint this so hard? It's silly. Instead of them getting my money, if I buy any of these cards at all it will be some random private seller.
Zakman86 Member	posted October 25, 2012 08:41 PM quote: Originally posted by Myy: This kinda bothers me, because I wish they'd just plain say how flawed that reserved list really is. karn and Sliver Queen is fine because nobody really cares... but snow covered duals. Nop, out of the question. I believe we'll eventually see these or a similar item, but that's for a whole other topic. neways, just kinda shows how they don't really take the reserved list too seriously. Considering the Karn and Sliver Queen are oversized and not tournament legal, there's no break of the Reserved list.
Thanos Member	posted October 25, 2012 08:42 PM quote: Official Reprint Policy Special-Purpose Reprints Wizards of the Coast may print special versions of cards not meant for regular game play, such as oversized cards. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Thanos on October 25, 2012]
MagixDK Member	posted October 26, 2012 12:00 AM I have never ever seen anyone play with oversized cards. (even for commander). adding basic lands to these sets would make it better even. sight. i shall be buying it regardless
Zeckk Member	posted October 26, 2012 02:47 AM quote: Originally posted by MagixDK: I have never ever seen anyone play with oversized cards. (even for commander). adding basic lands to these sets would make it better even. sight. i shall be buying it regardless I'm actually happy that the spoiled cards are disappointing, because it's solidified my desire to simply go on ebay for the foil command tower and sylvan library.
Bugger Member	posted October 26, 2012 06:41 AM quote: Originally posted by AGO: Wow some people are just so passionate about debating menial things. This will be a great product if you can get your hands on it. That was actually a really polite way of putting it, because yes I am I enjoy debating subjects both great and small (if there was a word for the concept that is less pretentious than "debate" and less pejorative than "argument", I'd use it, but oh well). I just hope they put some of the non-card parts of this in future commander products. Like, put copies of this new life counter into the yearly summer decks when they start printing them next year. I'd honestly like to use it over a die every time, because dies aren't as friendly to life gain. __________________ It is a known fact that more Americans watch the television than any other appliance.
toorima99 Member	posted October 26, 2012 08:20 AM The local store I called said this when I asked about it. "We are getting them, just not sure what we are doing yet. Figuring out if we should sell retail, or ebay prices. Or have tournaments for them." sigh I asked if I could reserve one and was told to call back when its closer to release. I get it the store wants to make money, just sucks for the guy who is a casual player that doesn't have a lot to spend. O well I should be used to it, some stores charge 100 for ftv so Meh.
JoshSherman Member	posted October 26, 2012 08:26 PM I tried the oversized cards at the release party for Commander and did not like them at all. My LGS is slowly gaining Commander popularity, however, and I bet those people who actually care about the format don't hate them. From the Vault: Oversized, featuring every multicolored (and colorless), somewhat relevant commander. In stores this August. Oh, and follow that up with From the Vault: Ulgrotha. FINALLY I get that oversized Chandler I've been waiting for. __________________ My LJLetter Bombs!FacebookLogout- I had it second!*CKGB
Jtrade77 Member	posted October 26, 2012 08:33 PM Eh, I still don't want to pay $75 for one, even if it was possible for me to get a set at this point in time. The only card I'd need is Diochan, and she'd be cheaper to just pick up as a single.
WeedIan Member	posted October 27, 2012 05:40 AM The thing is with this its going to drive the prices down for the two Portal 3 Kingdoms cards for sure. __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 12000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario 2nd in posts in Canada 10th in posts on MOTL 5th in Refs in Ontario Pushing to get to top 100 in MOTL Refs
JoshSherman Member	posted October 27, 2012 07:50 AM Did I mention that the oversized Chandler will have new art that looks like Mathew Perry?
stab107 Member	posted October 27, 2012 11:08 AM quote: Originally posted by JoshSherman: Did I mention that the oversized Chandler will have new art that looks like Mathew Perry? Oh you tease, you, Josh! Don't get our hopes up like that.
Devonin Member	posted October 27, 2012 03:06 PM quote: Originally posted by JoshSherman: I tried the oversized cards at the release party for Commander and did not like them at all. My LGS is slowly gaining Commander popularity, however, and I bet those people who actually care about the format don't hate them. I play exclusively EDH, it is the only format I care about, and I have absolutely zero use for the oversized cards. I bought all the Commander decks when they came out, and I couldn't even tell you where my oversized cards are anymore.
Volcanon Member	posted October 27, 2012 06:13 PM quote: Originally posted by Devonin: I play exclusively EDH, it is the only format I care about, and I have absolutely zero use for the oversized cards. I bought all the Commander decks when they came out, and I couldn't even tell you where my oversized cards are anymore. Oversized cards are also very hard to keep in good condition. There isn't really any sleeves made for them (and if there are, you probably have to buy a 100-pack or some nonsense) and they don't fit into the normal card boxes. I still have a ginormous stack of the oversized akroma cards given out during time spiral. Lets hope oversized cards get popular so I can make teh monies selling them.
FleeceItOut Member	posted October 27, 2012 11:17 PM a let down if i do say so myself
caquaa Member	posted October 28, 2012 02:40 AM quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: Oversized cards are also very hard to keep in good condition. There isn't really any sleeves made for them (and if there are, you probably have to buy a 100-pack or some nonsense) and they don't fit into the normal card boxes http://www.cardkingdom.com/catalog/item/131142 but the box thing is an issue. The two solutions I've seen aren't that great. One has some odd shape where it goes from normal sized front to an oversized back and has a separate section for the oversized cards. These were ~$15 MSRP and people wouldn't buy them at $5. The other was two decks side by side w/ a compartment that fits the ovesized behind those. That one isn't that bad, its just too big. The oversized cards also jut take up too much space to have in play. EDH games can run long, lots of stuff can be in play, space is at a premium.
MagixDK Member	posted October 28, 2012 02:44 AM advantages of using oversized commander = 0?
choco man Member	posted October 28, 2012 01:03 PM quote: Originally posted by MagixDK: advantages of using oversized commander = 0? i wouldn't say 0. it's a lot easier to remember not to shuffle your commander into your deck before the start of the next game. but oversized commanders are really just not useful.
mcelraca Member	posted October 28, 2012 01:36 PM quote: Originally posted by choco man: i wouldn't say 0. it's a lot easier to remember not to shuffle your commander into your deck before the start of the next game. but oversized commanders are really just not useful. THIS! except... I use to shuffle my commanders into my deck all the time. Then it finally dawned on me... I'll use different color cases! (this is not sarcasm, it actually took me a while to come to this realization) I have to say I'm on the side that the oversized cards are just a nuisance. But I'm glad that they are included in the set. I think someone said it earlier, these aren't going to increase the value of the overall product by much so hopefully it will be a little more affordable? That and maybe it'll give a chance for some people to experiment with these generals.
Devonin Member	posted October 28, 2012 10:43 PM quote: Originally posted by mcelraca: I'll use different color cases! What happens when an effect shuffles your general into your library mid-game? Suddenly it is impossible to actually randomize your deck. So you end up swapping them into a matching sleeve and then back out again. Also kinda annoying!
caquaa Member	posted October 29, 2012 12:48 AM quote: Originally posted by Devonin: What happens when an effect shuffles your general into your library mid-game? Suddenly it is impossible to actually randomize your deck. So you end up swapping them into a matching sleeve and then back out again. Also kinda annoying! actually incorrect. You are supposed to know where the commander is in the deck. If you want to achieve randomization, don't look when you shuffle; its something fairly common at competitive REL tournaments and not sure why it would be a problem for EDH games either. proof: http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=49534&f=3#p49534
MagixDK Member	posted October 29, 2012 05:29 AM -how do you generate a random deck while shuffling an oversized commander into it? seems like a bigger problem to me-
Volcanon Member	posted October 29, 2012 06:49 AM quote: Originally posted by caquaa: actually incorrect. You are supposed to know where the commander is in the deck. If you want to achieve randomization, don't look when you shuffle; its something fairly common at competitive REL tournaments and not sure why it would be a problem for EDH games either. proof: http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=49534&f=3#p49534 Also, the "better" rule in 1v1 EDH is that "tuck" effects simply put the general back into the general zone. Because it's silly to encourage people to build a deck around a legend and then make it really easy for that legend to be impossible to get at.
choco man Member	posted October 29, 2012 12:23 PM quote: Originally posted by Volcanon: Also, the "better" rule in 1v1 EDH is that "tuck" effects simply put the general back into the general zone. Because it's silly to encourage people to build a deck around a legend and then make it really easy for that legend to be impossible to get at. Also, it's "better" to just not play 1v1 EDH. It's a silly format. Has anyone been able to pre-order from their LGS @ MSRP? [Edited 1 times, lastly by choco man on October 29, 2012]

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