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LemonMeringue Member	posted November 13, 2012 10:20 AM Forgot about sorin's ult, my bad! On the draw, I just counterflux sorin and we draw. Edit: When I'm on the play, you can't play T4 Sorin because I can just lab maniac + izzet charm on my turn, I go WD against you. [Edited 2 times, lastly by LemonMeringue on November 13, 2012]
Dimh Member	posted November 13, 2012 10:45 AM code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 TOTAL 04 0 6 0 X 6 6 6 0 6 00 00 06 00 06 06 06 00 06 06 06 06 78 Think this is right.. that maniac... totally missed that. I beat all the 'fair' decks tho >.>. Sounds like Legacy lol. My notes from matches: 1. yakusoku: LL, can't race the maniac 2. dfitzg88 WW, Stalker can't race Rat 3. bushe LL, can't race maniac 5. junichi WW 6. Heresy19 WW 7. MeddlingMage WW 8. ryan2754 LL 9. mattw WW 10. LemonMeringue LL Dat maniac... 11. AGO LL Hey, look at what's getting banned next week! 12. ectomanic WW 13. S14sh3r LL 14. MAB_Rapper WW 15. pugowar WW 16. Bugger WW 17. tritoch LL 18. FleeceItOut WW 19. Myy WW 20. WCFmo WW 21. wayne WW Goldfishing, Pack Rats is a Turn 5 deck, generally this is fast enough with the Duress to get rid of any removal and just go to town. Sometimes you will have to wait until Turn 5 to play your Rat + make a token in response to removal. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Dimh on November 13, 2012]
Myy Member	posted November 13, 2012 11:06 AM 1. yakusoku LL Laboratory Maniac Mizzium Skin Thought Scour 2. dfitzg88 WW Pillar of Flame Liliana of the Veil Invisible Stalker 3. bushe LL laboratory maniac izzet charm memory's journey 4. Dimh LL Pack Rat Veilborn Ghoul Duress 5. junichi LL Mind Rot Liliana of the Veil Vraska the Unseen 6. Heresy19 WW Fog Bank Cavern of Souls Door to Nothingness 7. MeddlingMage LL Gravecrawler Gravecrawler Gravecrawler 8. ryan2754 LL Laboratory Maniac Unburial Rites Dissipate 9. mattw WW Shrieking Affliction Abrupt Decay Palisade Giant 10. LemonMeringue LL Laboratory Maniac Izzet Charm Counterflux 11. AGO LL Laboratory Maniac Laboratory Maniac Laboratory Maniac 12. ectomanic DD veilborn ghoul lotleth troll duress 13. S14sh3r LL Duress Izzet Charm Laboratory Maniac 14. MAB_Rapper LL Thragtusk Thragtusk Conjurer's Closet 15. pugowar WW Rancor Slumbering Dragon Increasing Savagery 16. Bugger DD Moorland Haunt Misthollow Griffin Detention Sphere 17. tritoch LL Duress Duress Laboratory Maniac 18. FleeceItOut LL Liliana of the Veil Unburial Rites Angel of Serenity 19. Myy Xx Vraska the Unseen Thragtusk Abrupt Decay 20. WCFmo LL Sorin, Lord of Innistrad Abrupt Decay Syncopate 21. wayne LL Ravenous Rats Mind Rot Vraska, the Unseen ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 TOTAL ?? 0 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 6 00 00 02 00 00 06 02 00 00 xX 00 00 18 [Edited 2 times, lastly by Myy on November 15, 2012]
MAB_Rapper Member	posted November 13, 2012 12:11 PM quote: Originally posted by Myy: 15. pugowar MISE Rancor Slumbering Dragon Increasing Savagery Um, that's not a Mise deck. He puts +1/+1 counters on his dragon with Savagery. quote: Originally posted by Bugger: Uh... pretty sure I can. If you ever attack with your tusk, I block, they trade, I use the Haunt to get the Griffin back to my "hand", recast it from there. Then I slowly beat you to death with the spirit token if you never attack with your beast token, or - if you do - I trade with the griffin again, recast it again, and kill you faster. You can draw against me only if you cast one tusk and never attack with it. Ok, that's fair. But what about the scneario where I play the Thragtusk, then play Closet. Now I have a 5/3 and a 3/3. Now I force you to respond with Sphere on something. You have to Sphere the Closet, allowing me to play the other Thragtusk. __________________ My 2008 Nationals The Official Tower Magic Facebook Page hilikuS: Also, as much as MAB's list has become the list on the T/A Forum, I do miss Slinga's. [Edited 1 times, lastly by MAB_Rapper on November 13, 2012]
bushe Member	posted November 13, 2012 12:18 PM quote: Originally posted by walkerdog: Bushe vs Juni seems more like a loss for you on the draw Bushe: He will play vraska at some point, +1 her a few time, then melt you with assassins. he has to +1 lili otherwise I assemble the blessed duo of charm + maniac. As soon as he +1s vraska is gone.
bushe Member	posted November 13, 2012 12:22 PM quote: Originally posted by walkerdog: You should be WW vs Yaku I believe... on the draw, if he plays T3 maniac, you charm it, then play your dude a turn later and win? Against Dfitz you can't protect your Maniac from Pillar, which exiles it. I think you're actually LL to him.[/B] Nah yaku waits till 4 and then wins regardless of what I do. Dfitz has two sorcery speed removals but I win in one turn on turn 5.
walkerdog Member	posted November 13, 2012 12:34 PM quote: Originally posted by bushe: Nah yaku waits till 4 and then wins regardless of what I do. Dfitz has two sorcery speed removals but I win in one turn on turn 5. Makes sense.
Link139232 Member	posted November 13, 2012 01:55 PM Wish I would have seen this. I would have registered: Lab Maniac Abrupt Decay Memory's Journey Oh, and did you all forget about the bit on Abrupt Decay that says CAN'T BE COUNTERED? "Oh, Decay? I will just counter it with Izzet Charm!" No. You. Won't. Oh yeah, and why didn't all of you Lab Maniacs think of ramp? Forest, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Island, Maniac. You win on the play or the draw vs the mirror. Or just play it later using the third card as an Izzet charm or something. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Link139232 on November 13, 2012]
bushe Member	posted November 13, 2012 02:04 PM quote: Originally posted by Link139232: Wish I would have seen this. I would have registered: Lab Maniac Abrupt Decay Memory's Journey Oh, and did you all forget about the bit on Abrupt Decay that says CAN'T BE COUNTERED? "Oh, Decay? I will just counter it with Izzet Charm!" No. You. Won't. Oh yeah, and why didn't all of you Lab Maniacs think of ramp? Forest, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Island, Maniac. You win on the play or the draw vs the mirror. Or just play it later using the third card as an Izzet charm or something. When your opponent plays decay you play izzet charm choosing draw 2, discard 2 so you win at instant speed since you are drawing with no cards left. The only way for the decay to work is in response to the charm so you just stare at each other until your draw step comes naturally when you win -either with the draw or by responding to their decay. I did think about ramp but figured that a more likely scenario was my maniac getting killed.
yakusoku Member	posted November 13, 2012 02:09 PM 1. yakusoku XX Laboratory Maniac Mizzium Skin Thought Scour 2. dfitzg88 WL Pillar of Flame Liliana of the Veil Invisible Stalker I win on the play by waiting until turn 4 to win the same turn I play Lab Maniac. Liliana can make me discard Mizzium Skin at beset. On the draw, he can play turn 3 Liliana, make me discard and lose the ability to win the same turn I play Lab Maniac through two discards, while he plays Invisible Stalker and wins. 3. bushe WL laboratory maniac izzet charm memory's journey On the play, I wait until turn 4 and if he plays Lab Maniac turn 3, I win with Thought Scour immediately. If he doesn't, I simply pass and have Thought Scour to play in response to Izzet Charm, or else I win during my next draw. 4. Dimh WW Pack Rat Veilborn Ghoul Duress Duress makes me lose a card, but he still can't race Lab Maniac. 5. junichi LL Mind Rot Liliana of the Veil Vraska the Unseen If I play Lab Maniac turn 3, he uses Liliana to make me sacrifice it. If I wait a turn, he Mind Rots me and he can then use Liliana the turn after I play Lab Maniac. Either way, he can get Vraska and win. 6. Heresy19 WW Fog Bank Cavern of Souls Door to Nothingness I am faster than Door to Nothingness. 7. MeddlingMage WW Gravecrawler Gravecrawler Gravecrawler I am faster than Gravecrawler attacking. 8. ryan2754 WL. Laboratory Maniac Unburial Rites Dissipate On the play, I can get Lab Maniac to resolve before he has Dissipate. On the draw, he can keep Dissipate up until he has six lands to play Lab Maniac with Dissipate waiting. 9. mattw WW Shrieking Affliction Abrupt Decay Palisade Giant I wait until turn 4 to cast Laboratory Maniac with Mizzium Skin to protect it from Abrupt Decay and win the next turn. 10. LemonMeringue LL Laboratory Maniac Izzet Charm Counterflux I can't play Lab Maniac turn 3, or I lose it to Charm. If I wait one turn, he can Counterflux. Eventually he just casts his Lab Maniac with Counterflux there to stop me as well. 11. AGO WL. Laboratory Maniac Laboratory Maniac Laboratory Maniac Whoever goes first plays turn 3 Laboratory Maniac and wins the next turn. 12. ectomanic WW veilborn ghoul lotleth troll duress Duress can't grab Lab Maniac, which I play turn 3 and win on turn 4. 13. S14sh3r LL Duress Izzet Charm Laboratory Maniac On the play, if I play Lab Maniac turn 3, he burns it. If I wait, he plays Lab Maniac a turn earlier and wins. On the draw, he simply plays Lab Maniac on turn 3 and wins. 14. MAB_Rapper WW Thragtusk Thragtusk Conjurer's Closet I win on turn 4 before he can play Thragtusk. 15. pugowar WW Rancor Slumbering Dragon Increasing Savagery I win on turn 4 before he can kill me. 16. Bugger WW Moorland Haunt Misthollow Griffin Detention Sphere I wait until turn 4 to play Lab Maniac and Thought Scour and win before Griffin. 17. tritoch WL Duress Duress Laboratory Maniac Whoever plays Laboratory Maniac first wins. 18. FleeceItOut WL Liliana of the Veil Unburial Rites Angel of Serenity On the play, I lose a Mizzium Skin to Liliana, then turn 4 play Lab Maniac and Thought Scour in the same turn to win. On the draw, he plays Liliana, makes me discard Skin and I can't play turn 3 Lab Maniac and by turn 4, I only have Lab Maniac, which he can kill. He can flashback Unburial Rites to win. 19. Myy WW Vraska the Unseen Thragtusk Abrupt Decay I wait until turn 4 to have Mizzium Skin up to protect Lab Maniac 20. WCFmo DD Sorin, Lord of Innistrad Abrupt Decay Syncopate I can't do anything about Syncopate, but I can force him not to play Sorin (or else I can resolve Lab Maniac). 21. wayne WL Ravenous Rats Mind Rot Vraska, the Unseen On the play, I discard a card to Ravenous Rats, then play turn 3 Lab Maniac and win. On the draw, I lose a card to Ravenous Rats, then the remaining two on his turn 3 and Ravenous Rats are enough to win. code: ## 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 TOTAL 01 XX 03 03 06 00 06 06 03 06 00 03 06 00 06 06 06 03 03 06 02 03 77 [Edited 1 times, lastly by yakusoku on November 13, 2012]
Bugger Member	posted November 13, 2012 02:17 PM quote: Originally posted by MAB_Rapper: Ok, that's fair. But what about the scneario where I play the Thragtusk, then play Closet. Now I have a 5/3 and a 3/3. Now I force you to respond with Sphere on something. You have to Sphere the Closet, allowing me to play the other Thragtusk. If you lay down Conjurer's closet after your first tusk on the play, you're casting it turn six. Then on my turn I detention sphere the closet, obviously. Your next turn (turn seven) you cast your second Thragtusk, and the situation stays the same. The only difference is it takes me slightly longer to break the stall (assuming you attack); but since I'm still making a 1/1 and recasting a 3/3 every turn the 3/3 dies I can hold you off indefinitely (and actually systematically block with the Griffin to trade with the first tusk, then the second, then the first token, then the second). So your only move is again to not attack. I, on the other hand, lose a race to double tusk quite badly, so my only move is to not attack either, forcing a draw. DD for both of us, no matter who goes first (because you have to lay down Conjurer's closet in between tusks or else I'll nab them both with sphere and win), which means the stalemate starts late enough for me to threaten my stall engine. Then, stalemate. __________________ It is a known fact that more Americans watch the television than any other appliance.
Link139232 Member	posted November 13, 2012 02:48 PM quote: Originally posted by bushe: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Link139232: Wish I would have seen this. I would have registered: Lab Maniac Abrupt Decay Memory's Journey Oh, and did you all forget about the bit on Abrupt Decay that says CAN'T BE COUNTERED? "Oh, Decay? I will just counter it with Izzet Charm!" No. You. Won't. Oh yeah, and why didn't all of you Lab Maniacs think of ramp? Forest, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Island, Maniac. You win on the play or the draw vs the mirror. Or just play it later using the third card as an Izzet charm or something. When your opponent plays decay you play izzet charm choosing draw 2, discard 2 so you win at instant speed since you are drawing with no cards left. The only way for the decay to work is in response to the charm so you just stare at each other until your draw step comes naturally when you win -either with the draw or by responding to their decay. I did think about ramp but figured that a more likely scenario was my maniac getting killed. [/QUOTE] That's all fine and dandy, but have fun trying that interaction when you have already lost the game to my own maniac.
yakusoku Member	posted November 13, 2012 02:52 PM Okay, we're all great Monday armchair quarterbacks. If you want to prove you can beat everybody, there's only one sure-fire way: submit a deck next week and get the top score.
tritoch New Member	posted November 13, 2012 02:57 PM code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 TOTAL PT 3 6 0 6 6 6 6 3 6 03 03 06 03 06 06 06 XX 06 06 06 06 99 My deck: Duress / Duress / Laboratory Maniac I'm a big noob and probably missed a few things - I thought I had bushe for 6 until I read his playthrough. I won't detail any of the non-labman games, as I generally yank your removal and you can't win faster than T4. From my admittedly noobish analysis, the only things I lose to are: 3 spells which can remove my LabMan by T4 (mise pillar x 3) Something coming back from the graveyard (bushe's, rites need not apply as I can't discard your LabMan) Labman death by land (don't think that's possible at all in standard, let alone by t4), Labman death by creature. No fiend hunters or ulvenweld trackers came to play. I don't have any removal so it's just a straight race with every LabMan deck without one of these features.
FleeceItOut Member	posted November 13, 2012 03:01 PM code: ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 TOTAL 18 3 6 0 0 0 6 3 0 2 00 03 01 00 06 06 02 00 XX 00 00 03 41 got crushed will try again [Edited 2 times, lastly by FleeceItOut on November 13, 2012]
Bugger Member	posted November 13, 2012 03:09 PM quote: Originally posted by yakusoku: Okay, we're all great Monday armchair quarterbacks. If you want to prove you can beat everybody, there's only one sure-fire way: submit a deck next week and get the top score. This, please. Put the e-peen back in your pants, nobody wants to watch you stroke it (also, hint: it's not nearly as impressive as you think it is). __________________ It is a known fact that more Americans watch the television than any other appliance.
ryan2754 Member	posted November 13, 2012 03:17 PM ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 TOTAL08 3 3 1 4 0 6 6 X 6 03 06 00 00 06 06 06 03 06 06 02 03 76 1 WL 2 WL 3 DL 4 WW 5 LL 6 WW 7 WW 8 XX 9 WW 10 LL 11 WL 12 WW 13 LL 14 WW 15 WW 16 WW 17 WL 18 WW 19 WW 20 DD 21 WL Forgot about how good Izzet Charm is. __________________ -Schmitty T-87th in Refs [286] on MOTL (with kj1000) 2nd in Refs [286] in OH-IO (75 behind souladvocate) 2nd in Posts [7715] in OH-IO (only 400 behind Val) “If Brad Stevens is the future of coaching in college basketball, the sport is in a good place.” - Rick Pitino
Dimh Member	posted November 13, 2012 03:51 PM quote: Originally posted by Myy: 4. Dimh DD Pack Rat Veilborn Ghoul Duress Curious, how we are drawing this?
Link139232 Member	posted November 13, 2012 05:20 PM quote: Originally posted by Bugger: This, please. Put the e-peen back in your pants, nobody wants to watch you stroke it (also, hint: it's not nearly as impressive as you think it is). I'm not stroking anything. Just pointing out an obvious interaction that changes the point totals.
junichi Moderator	posted November 13, 2012 05:30 PM Play nice guys. __________________ MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 Champion Life is hard; it's harder if you're stupid. John Wayne
FleeceItOut Member	posted November 13, 2012 05:40 PM away with lab maniac, back to the drawing board
Bugger Member	posted November 13, 2012 05:57 PM quote: Originally posted by junichi: Play nice guys. Whoa, forgot you were a mod! That was one of the cooler double-takes I've done in a while. (also, point totally heeded. My bad.) __________________ It is a known fact that more Americans watch the television than any other appliance.
Heresy19 Member	posted November 13, 2012 06:33 PM 1. yakusoku LL Laboratory Maniac Mizzium Skin Thought Scour 2. dfitzg88 LL Pillar of Flame Liliana of the Veil Invisible Stalker 3. bushe LL laboratory maniac izzet charm memory's journey 4. Dimh LL Pack Rat Veilborn Ghoul Duress 5. junichi LL Mind Rot Liliana of the Veil Vraska the Unseen 6. Heresy19 XX Fog Bank Cavern of Souls Door to Nothingness 7. MeddlingMage LL Gravecrawler Gravecrawler Gravecrawler 8. ryan2754 LL Laboratory Maniac Unburial Rites Dissipate 9. mattw LL Shrieking Affliction Abrupt Decay Palisade Giant 10. LemonMeringue LL Laboratory Maniac Izzet Charm Counterflux 11. AGO LL Laboratory Maniac Laboratory Maniac Laboratory Maniac 12. ectomanic LL veilborn ghoul lotleth troll duress 13. S14sh3r LL Duress Izzet Charm Laboratory Maniac 14. MAB_Rapper LL Thragtusk Thragtusk Conjurer's Closet 15. pugowar WW ? Rancor Slumbering Dragon Increasing Savagery 16. Bugger LL Moorland Haunt Misthollow Griffin Detention Sphere 17. tritoch LL Duress Duress Laboratory Maniac 18. FleeceItOut LL Liliana of the Veil Unburial Rites Angel of Serenity 19. Myy LL Vraska the Unseen Thragtusk Abrupt Decay 20. WCFmo LL Sorin, Lord of Innistrad Abrupt Decay Syncopate 21. wayne LL Ravenous Rats Mind Rot Vraska, the Unseen ## 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 TOTAL ?? 0 0 0 0 0 X 0 0 0 00 00 00 00 00 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 Hum. I should just quit now heh.
Myy Member	posted November 13, 2012 08:51 PM quote: Originally posted by Heresy19: Hum. I should just quit now heh. Don't be discouraged, I didn't do so well this round, but we can have better decks next round
Bugger Member	posted November 13, 2012 08:55 PM quote: Originally posted by Myy: Don't be discouraged, I didn't do so well this round, but we can have better decks next round Some of us (like me!) enjoy more cooking up decks nobody else saw coming more than necessarily doing well each round (successfully predicting metagames is fun too). And for what it's worth, I thought of the Fog Bank + Disruption + wincon combo, but all I could come up with was big X spells like Devil's Play or Fireball. Door To Nothingness takes style. I dig it. __________________ It is a known fact that more Americans watch the television than any other appliance.

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