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B14ckM4g3
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posted December 14, 2012 12:05 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for B14ckM4g3 Click Here to Email B14ckM4g3 Send a private message to B14ckM4g3 Click to send B14ckM4g3 an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
I am building a modern cube. Putting in MODERN LEGAL CARDS only. I want to run a combo for each color that if not winning the game instantly, almost cinches the win.

Combos I am considering:

Red:

Splinter Twin
Kiki-Jiki

Black:

Mikaeus the unhallowed
Triskeleton

Blue:

Brine Elemental
Vesuvan Shapeshifter

Green:

Nothing

White:

Nothing


Would love suggestions. I am trying to limit these combos to 2-3 cards max, and would prefer if the cards included were playable without their counterpart.

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Also, I am attempting to put 10 instant/sorcery cards in each color that are significant to that colors strength. So:

Red: Burn, destruction
Black: kill, discard
Blue: Counter, Card draw
Green: Pump, Mana Ramp
White: Removal, prevention

Would love suggestions as to which cards for each color. Cards considered so far:

Red: Incinerate, lightning bolt, rift bolt, searing spear

Black: Go ft throat, murder, doom blade, Inquisition of Kozilek, Thoughtseize

Blue: Mana Leak, Syncopate, Think Twice, Telling time, Fact or Fiction

Green: Harrow, Cultivate, Rampant Growth, Giant Growth, Groundswell

White: Path to Exile, Condemn, Divine Deflection, Angel's Grace

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I would also attempt to put in one board wipe (creature) for each color. Drawing a blank on the red/green/blue choices. DoJ and Damnation are going in. Considering cyclonic rift for blue. Possibly Blasphemous act. But green I'm out of ideas. Little help here, or possible alternatives.

Also, which planeswalkers should see entry? Looking at balance which puts us to 1 per color for strength (ie, Koth, Chandra, Tibalt are all red and kinda meh. I would put in Koth. Green has garruk or nissa, which is an easy pick).
The hard choices are:
Jace, AoE or Tamiyo
Gideon Jura or Elspeth, knight errant (or possibly tirel)
Opinions?

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Finally, I would be open to suggestions towards what deck archtypes should be in. Or which tribals. Keep in mind I am limited to 360 cards for this cube, of which my spread is roughly:

45 of each color (225)
30 lands (shocks, fetches, fastlands, m-lands, Inn-lands)
10 other lands (ghost quarter, tec edge, evolving wilds, terramorphic expanse, Mutavault, Inkmoth Nexus, Blinkmoth Nexus, City of Brass, Gemstone Mine, Gemstone Caverns[?possible change?]) (265)
45 artifacts (rough number. Trying to squeeze in a variety of equipment and creatures so affinity is a possible archtype, +1 of each signet) (310)
4x10 gold (3 of each color combo, 1 of each 3 color combo)

Suggestions to the spread are also welcome, but I think this is pretty accurate.


P.s.: I am familiar with MTGsalvation and the cube threads there. However, I have been a member here for a long time and would prefer the help of the crowd here. As such, Please don't redirect me to salvation. Thank you.

 
Lord Crovax
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posted December 14, 2012 01:53 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Lord Crovax Click Here to Email Lord Crovax Send a private message to Lord Crovax Click to send Lord Crovax an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Big thing for cube, you want to pick out what Arch Type you like, and make sure they are playable within each color.

Also try and avoid having to many versions of the same card, want a little more diversity, also helps promote different strategies, over just drafting every Incinerate card, etc.

Green really doesn't have any board wipes outside of Hurricane variants.

As for PW'ers

Red = Chandra Firebrand > Koth
Green = Garruk Wildspeaker or Primal Hunter either would be fine.
Blue = Jace AoE hands down, he fits into various decks easier IMHO then Tamiyo
Black = Liliana of the Veil
White = Elspeth 1.0 or Gideon (I actually lean towards Gideon myself)
Gold? I'd defiantly use Sorin, Bolas, Ajani Veng, Sarkon Vol, etc

for Arch Types defiantly want Sligh, Zoo, Control, those types of basic deck types...


Also another point on the spells are you doing ONLY 10 spells or? I really wouldn't put a set limit, after all Blue tends to have more spells then say green which favors creatures more.

Just play to each colors strength and go from there.

Might make another post tomorrow on some card ideas.

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daner
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A Green/White combo is Melira + Kitchen finks + ANY sac outlet. Same goes for Melira + Woodfall Primus, or G/B/R Melira + Murderous Redcap.

Basically you can combo off in Green with Melira.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by daner on December 14, 2012]

 
daner
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sorry for the double post but....

White Combo

Mirror Entity + cards

Mirror Entity + Body Double + Reveillark + Riftwing Cloudskate/Venser, Shaper Savant

That was an old combo deck in T2, and if your building a Modern Legal cube all the cards I mentioned should probably go into the cube anyway as they are very powerful and work well outside of the combo.

Also, if you want to get cute, you can add in Hive Mind. Mostly all of the Pact cards are playable, but with Hive Mind it's an instant win if you can assemble them all. You can also add things like Gifts Ungiven to fecth them up.

Also, Mephidross Vampire works just as good with Triskelion in combo.

Tooth and Nail for green...fetch up 1R 2/1 Kruin Soulbound Haste guy(forget name) + Blightsteel Colossus.



[Edited 1 times, lastly by daner on December 14, 2012]

 
yakusoku
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White:

Elite Vanguard
Isamaru, Hound of Konda
Savannah Lions
Steppe Lynx
Student of Warfare

Accorder Paladin
Knight of Meadowgrain
Kor Skyfisher
Porcelain Legionnaire
Soltari Priest
Soltari Trooper
Stoneforge Mystic
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Wall of Omens

Blade Splicer
Mirran Crusader
Mirror Entity
Silverblade Paladin
Spectral Procession

Hero of Bladehold
Kor Sanctifiers
Restoration Angel

Baneslayer Angel
Cloudgoat Ranger
Reveillark

Sun Titan

Ajani Goldmane
Day of Judgment
Elspeth, Knight-Errant
Elspeth Tirel
Faith's Fetters
Gideon Jura
Journey to Nowhere
Oblivion Ring
Path to Exile
Swords to Plowshares

Blue:

Looter il-Kor
Snapcaster Mage

Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
Vendilion Clique
Willbender

Dungeon Geists
Glen Elendra Archmage
Mist Raven
Phyrexian Metamorph
Sower of Temptation
Venser, Shaper Savant

Meloku the Clouded Mirror
Mulldrifter

Keiga, the Tide Star
Sphinx of Jwar Isle

Compulsive Research
Condescend
Cryptic Command
Impulse
Into the Roil
Jace Beleren
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Mana Leak
Ponder
Preordain
Remand
Repeal
Tamiyo, the Moon Sage

Black:

Diregraf Ghoul
Gravecrawler
Vampire Lacerator

Bloodghast
Dark Confidant
Nantuko Shade
Nezumi Graverobber
Oona's Prowler
Vampire Hexmage
Vampire Interloper

Hypnotic Specter
Liliana's Specter
Vampire Nighthawk

Graveborn Muse
Nekrataal
Skinrender

Bloodgift Demon
Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
Shriekmaw

Grave Titan
Kokusho, the Evening Star

Tombstalker

Barter in Blood
Bitterblossom
Chainer's Edict
Consuming Vapors
Damnation
Dismember
Doom Blade
Duress
Go for the Throat
Liliana of the Veil
Phyrexian Arena
Profane Command
Snuff Out
Thoughtseize

Red:

Goblin Guide
Grim Lavamancer
Spikeshot Elder
Stromkirk Noble

Ash Zealot
Ember Hauler
Gore-House Chainwalker
Hearth Kami
Hellspark Elemental
Keldon Marauders
Lightning Mauler
Plated Geopede
Stormblood Berserker
Torch Fiend

Chandra's Phoenix
Hell's Thunder
Manic Vandal

Avalanche Riders
Hellrider
Hero of Oxid Ridge

Siege-Gang Commander
Zealous Conscripts

Hellkite Charger
Inferno Titan

Greater Gargadon

Arc Trail
Burst Lightning
Chandra Nalaar
Char
Flames of the Firebrand
Incinerate
Koth of the Hammer
Lightning Bolt
Molten Rain
Searing Spear
Staggershock
Sulfuric Vortex

Green:

Arbor Elf
Avacyn's Pilgrim
Birds of Paradise
Joraga Treespeaker
Llanowar Elves
Noble Hierarch

Fauna Shaman
Lotus Cobra
River Boa
Sakura-Tribe Elder
Strangleroot Geist
Tarmogoyf
Wall of Roots

Eternal Witness
Troll Ascetic
Viridian Shaman
Wolfir Avenger

Thrun, the Last Troll
Vengevine
Wickerbough Elder

Acidic Slime
Indrik Stomphowler
Thornling
Vorapede

Primeval Titan

Call of the Herd
Cultivate
Garruk, Primal Hunter
Garruk Wildspeaker
Green Sun's Zenith
Kodama's Reach
Plow Under
Rancor

Artifacts:

Phyrexian Revoker
Solemn Simulacrum
Wurmcoil Engine

Azorius Signet
Boros Signet
Dimir Signet
Golgari Signet
Gruul Signet
Izzet Signet
Orzhov Signet
Rakdos Signet
Selesnya Signet
Simic Signet

Batterskull
Bonesplitter
Lightning Greaves
Skullclamp
Sword of Body and Mind
Sword of Feast and Famine
Sword of Fire and Ice
Sword of Light and Shadow
Sword of War and Peace

Mind Stone
Pithing Needle
Sensei's Divining Top

Multicolor:

Detention Sphere
Geist of Saint Traft
Supreme Verdict
Venser, the Sojourner

Ajani Vengeant
Duergar Hedge-Mage
Figure of Destiny
Lightning Helix

Agony Warp
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Shadowmage Infiltrator

Maelstrom Pulse
Putrefy
Putrid Leech
Vraska the Unseen

Bloodbraid Elf
Giant Solifuge
Kird Ape
Stormbind

Electrolyze
Izzet Charm
Niv-Mizzet
Prophetic Bolt

Lingering Souls
Mortify
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Stillmoon Cavalier

Bituminous Blast
Dreadbore
Murderous Redcap
Rakdos Cackler

Armada Wurm
Dryad Militant
Kitchen Finks
Sigarda, Host of Herons

Coiling Oracle
Mystic Snake
Simic Sky Swallower
Trygon Predator

And then add in some lands - Ravnica "shocklands", M13/Innistrad lands (Rootbound Crag, Isolated Chapel, etc.), Zendikar fetchlands.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by yakusoku on December 14, 2012]

 
B14ckM4g3
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Thanks for the input so far guys! I will take everything mentioned in mind and utilize it the best that I can. Really appreciate this. Please keep it coming!
 
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Kiki Jiki also combos with restoration angel for infinite hasty attackers.

Thopter Foundry + Sword of the Meek = 1 mana to gain 1 life and put a flying 1/1 into play.

Dark Depths + Vampire Hexmage = instant speed flying indestructible 20/20.

Mortarpod synergizes with a lot of recursive creatures for decent board control and reach.

Basilisk collar + cunning sparkmage is targeted hard removal every turn.

Isochron Scepter + Lightning Helix is pretty unbeatable.

 
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The swords of X and Y are pretty unfair in limited, even all-star limited like cube.

Jhoira does well when "comboed" with stuff like Emrakul. Could add stuff like fury charm and the other cards that mess with time counters. Also goes well with detritivore and that cycle.

Could also add the "only can be suspended" rares. Like the balance, and the black one and whatever. They are so good if you can control the outcome.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Zeckk:
Isochron Scepter + Lightning Helix is pretty unbeatable.

Isochron Scepter + any 2 Mana split card(Research/Development is best) from Dissension is pretty good.

You imprint the 2 CMC side, but when you cast it with Scepter you get to choose to play the 5 CMC side....unless Wizards also changed the ruling on that. It use to work...think it still does

 

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