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Originally posted by iccarus:
Anyone who enters a competitive commander pod expecting a "casual" game is delusional.

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This.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
OP, you don't make any sense.

1) You feel shame by mercilessly crushing children.
2) But not enough shame to entertain the idea of losing $10 or slow-playing your opponent.
3) You enter a tourney with the express purpose of winning as much money as quickly as possible.
4) Then you feel bad when you do precisely that.

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It makes perfect sense. I enter tournaments to win, but I don't like crushing kids on the way to winning either. I also won't give them the win and I'm going to feel somewhat bad if I basically ride my way to some prizes by beating up on kids. I might think twice about it at FNM, and I might slow-play, but I probably wouldn't let them win even that.

The problem isn't the OP (or me, above). Kids like that (and their parents, if with them) really just shouldn't play in competitive events unless they expect to be competitive. One of my friends at SCG Columbus playing Legacy got matched up with some 10-year old girl (roughly). Apparently he proceeded to win both games on turn 1 playing Belcher. People around them apparently ripped him for beating her. Really? It's $40 entry fee with $2,400 on the line for first place, why in the world would you let someone win (or even have a shot at winning) just because you'd feel bad if you crushed them? And this is a guy that has let kids beat him more than once at our local FNMs.

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
It makes perfect sense. I enter tournaments to win, but I don't like crushing kids on the way to winning either. I also won't give them the win and I'm going to feel somewhat bad if I basically ride my way to some prizes by beating up on kids. I might think twice about it at FNM, and I might slow-play, but I probably wouldn't let them win even that.

The problem isn't the OP (or me, above). Kids like that (and their parents, if with them) really just shouldn't play in competitive events unless they expect to be competitive. One of my friends at SCG Columbus playing Legacy got matched up with some 10-year old girl (roughly). Apparently he proceeded to win both games on turn 1 playing Belcher. People around them apparently ripped him for beating her. Really? It's $40 entry fee with $2,400 on the line for first place, why in the world would you let someone win (or even have a shot at winning) just because you'd feel bad if you crushed them? And this is a guy that has let kids beat him more than once at our local FNMs.

As far as the original post: I basically just feel pretty terrible winning when people get mana-screwed (and not because they kept a 1-land hand and tried to roll with it knowing the risks). I'll always apologize for that kind of game. I don't think I've had any other situation where I felt bad about a win though.

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So much of this!

TC, i think I prbably would have taken a loss as well in your position as to not ruin everyone's fun, but I also don't make decks that do that, because its not fun for me.

However, don't let anyone on here tell you that you're a terrible person. I'm not trying to get all righteous, but if you're going to bring a 7 year old to a tournament of any kind. They need to understand that losing is a very real possibility.

I don't dislike children, but bad parenting is annoying. I'm not saying that guy was a bad father, just made a poor judgement call thinking his 7 year old was going to be competitive.

Now my contribution to your topic.

And I honestly felt I was cheated during the event because I was expecting competition. I had harder matches playing "casually" at one of my lgs's.

We would do like mass effect board clears, Milling or doing a certain amount of damage in one turn. I have a life gain deck and made a rule about if I gained more than 50 life a turn.

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Originally posted by theqissilent:
I can't slow roll the deck. It either wins quickly or loses.
It was a regretable event. At the time I found ways to justify rolling the child, but her tears got to me. By far one of my worst mtg experiences.

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I brought my arcum dagsson deck to an EDH tournament and although it has the traditional darksteel forge + mycosynth lattice + nevinyrral's disk combo in it, I never use it normally. I had a few other wincons in it that are far more fun in casual play. At each table I found myself arch-enemied by everyone and the only way to survive was to use that combo (although one game someone casted creeping corrosion while I had rings of brighthearth in play - I responded by sacking 2 creatures and fetching the lattice + forge so everybodys stuff died but mine). I used that cheesy combo to make everyone quit at the first 3 tables.

The last table my deck went infinite right away but I just held back to enjoy the game. I already won plenty of packs and there was a woman with amazing breasts sitting across from me whom I had never seen before. I killed off the other two players and conceded to her.
What can I say, I'm a sucker for big...
...for new players.

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Originally posted by rockondon:

I already won plenty of packs and there was a woman with amazing breasts sitting across from me whom I had never seen before. I killed off the other two players and conceded to her.
What can I say, I'm a sucker for big...
...for new players.

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Originally posted by marlo213:
You paid money to win, not to spoil other players. Casual is free for a reason. Hell, you probably did the other people a favor, sometimes you need to get your butt kicked to get better

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But what really got to me was when he was walking to the door, he said, "I wonder if gun stores sell bullets individually. I'll only need the one."

A couple days later, there's a news report of a man who, well, "did himself in" not too far from my local shop. Which was big news, there's not a lot of that around here, at least not compared to where I moved here from. I freaked. I felt so guilty. I still thought it was ridiculous that it was over Magic, but guilty nevertheless. I couldn't bring myself to play for awhile.

A little over 3 months later, my friend talks me into returning to FNM. I get matched up against one of the other regulars and bash him pretty quick, and my friend does the same in his match. So we ask the shop owner to hold our stuff while we run to the K-Mart two doors down for some soda while we wait for the other matches to end.

Guess who's the register guy? I freaked again. After my friend breaks my daze, an idea hits me. I buy an extra energy drink and the guy looks at me funny as he scans my stuff. I begin to leave and second guess myself. He seemed like he didn't have a good outlook on life. Then something else hit me. He was blasting Black Sabbath through some Dr. Dre's and was wearing some pretty new Osiris hightops ($70, at the minimum). So something must be going right in his life. Oh, and that "one bullet" thing? He was threatening my life. That seems obvious in hindsight.

So I pulled out the second energy drink, shook it, clenched it hard, and slammed it down hard on the bottom rim of the can, angled at him. It exploded.

Sure, an overweight "Loss Prevention" guard escorted me out and I was pretty sticky being splashed with Monster. But I soaked him pretty thoroughly and his Dre's no longer worked. Probably not the most morally right thing to do. I don't know if I'd do it all over again. But it felt good :P I mean, what kind of grown man tells a teen that he'll always be worthless because he's a (racist word for asian, rhymes with clink) over a magic game at FNM? The game could use less players like that.

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Originally posted by theqissilent:
I in no way condone your amazingly hilarious and ingeneous use of Monster. It is a waste of deliciousness. Good riddance to people like that. Sore losers are the absolute worst and take the pleasure away from everyone, even themselves. Learn from your mistakes and move on.

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Agreed.

Also agree at big events (SCG Invi's, PT's, GP's) for the main event, yea you don't hold back at that level of gameplay, it's a whole different story, save the teaching until after the match.

but for side events, FNM's, pre-releases it's a bit different they are more casual generally speaking, and therefor im more inclined to being helpful.

and way I like at it for those formats is, money I may lose (on chance I throw match or they learn enough to win) is more then made up for having a stronger player, a player who if they lost enough might have just quit outright.

In the nearly a decade I'd played magic with him, and been around him playing magic with anybody else, in his view he never ONCE lost a game of magic because the person he was playing was better than him.

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Originally posted by Devonin:
In the nearly a decade I'd played magic with him, and been around him playing magic with anybody else, in his view he never ONCE lost a game of magic because the person he was playing was better than him.

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I've never lost regularly, too. Everybody else just cheats.

Just point him to his ranking. Or ask him how many WorldCup Finals he's played.
I have friends like that, too. Just keep on mocking him is what I always do. Works best, because then it becomes a joke.
For instance, when you're in a group and he loses (or wins, doesn't matter), just blurt out how it should be impossible that he loses, as he is obviously (mockingly) the better player. Then ask for confirmation of him (right??).

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Originally posted by theqissilent:
Yeah, it sucks when your opponent takes the joy out of a victory. But since it is a friend, I would probably have had words with him about it. But then again, if he loses more often than not, I would probably just roll my eyes at him.
I find it funny when certain players lose continuosly, yet whenever you try you give them pointers, they completely disregard everything anyone says. They have this idea in their head that they keep losing because of luck, not because of skill or poor deckbuilding.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
These kind of players get to me the most, they swear that if they lose it had nothing to do with them, and everyone else was just lucky or some other random BS, know a few people like that ... seems so silly.

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If you have a good losing record and they won't change their game plan by better (other) players (who do win), you can keep getting it from me until they got it.
Always fun.

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Originally posted by theqissilent:
After about 5 years of trying, I have since given up. I am thinking of 2 individuals, one of which will openly refuse help, saying if he wanted to play competatively then he would. I respect this notion. The other however attempts to build standard decks and loses without fail. He then constantly cries about it, saying it will never be good enough for fnm, asks for help, then argues any point.

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Nope. He also doesn't understand that phantom nomad can't be killed by lethal damage when there's an anthem in play and it has no counters on it. Sigh. I offer to pull up gatherer, and he throws out what I guess was his trump card (dude was rather belligerent as soon as I contradicted him right away), "I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT, IM A JUDGE."

To which I just looked at him and said "well, maybe you are a judge, but you're wrong here. The nomad's trigger isn't conditional on there being a counter to remove; it's going to prevent damage no matter what. See how they're separate phrases on the card?"

He storms off, doesn't talk to me for the rest of the night. People grumble about how my cards "shouldn't work that way" so I change decks shortly after to quit their bitching. Sigh.

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Originally posted by theqissilent:
I have seen several instances of people trying to use foreign cards to an unfair advantage. I like to think this is not deliberate, but most times I am inclined to think otherwise.

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Define unfair advantage.

Unfair that the opponent doesn't know all the cards?

Unfair the opponent doesn't call a judge for oracle wordings or access to a smart phone?